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Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:29:59 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:We're like the masterrace of the masterrace?
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2015.04.30 00:09:25 -
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Clone costs kept the wow riff raff out. You guys think skins started bringing them in, but you'd be wrong.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23678
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:14:09 -
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I don't think people have a problem with WoW refugees, or cosmetic items. The problem is when those refugees demand that Eve change its nature to suit them.
In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9542
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:19:53 -
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Joe Atei wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:We're like the masterrace of the masterrace? Yes hmmm, more feared and reviled , we are the retched scum and villainy of the mmo world.
you know the sort,top hat,cane twiddling our moustaches while tying young lady's to train tracks, that sort of thing.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1422
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:33:31 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:... In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified. EVE is already gentrified. I am considerate, I make sure to sharpen my knife so that when I slit a throat it is fast and rather painless. Plebs go about whacking away with blunt axes long after their scape goat is dead.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12839
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:44:09 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I don't think people have a problem with WoW refugees, or cosmetic items. The problem is when those refugees demand that Eve change its nature to suit them.
In short nobody wants Eve to become gentrified.
Pretty much this. If you aren't here to play EVE, just to agitate, be gone.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1658
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:44:33 -
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Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow. Actually we'd get banned. I think thats slightly different than owning them, but I'm not sure.
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Chewytowel Haklar
Project RESET
135
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:50:04 -
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I've played WoW for about 5 years but never really pvp in any game. For me coming to EVE Online is like going from preschool WoW pvp to Holy Hell you better know your crap pvp!!! There is no casual pvp in EVE, it is all hardcore brother! Anyone that comes to this game from WoW better understand that EVE won't change into a carebear game, or a dumbed down version of itself due to crying. EVE is meant to be hard, painful even, and make you so upset at times that you feel like crying.
I don't expect this game to change for me, but I'd love to see more changes to create new and unique ways to earn income, start fights, cause problems, and whatever else the devs feel would be fun. EVE challenges you and makes you want to learn to be a better gamer and a better person. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
344
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:10:48 -
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Aren't we special? lol |
Dots
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:12:12 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ah yes, Jenshae continuing to see a decline where one doesn't exist (data from Chribbs).
Here's data from FF 2015. You do remember the slope of a line is +öy/+öx, don't you?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:24:38 -
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Ah yes, Dots using the All Time graph, taking in the pre-2008 figures when EVE was growing and would lower the average.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Trigg Savo
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:25:34 -
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Every game since WoW is basically a WoW clone on most levels.
Sandbox games are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Monthly subscription models are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Everything is F2P with a sub option for a more "complete" gaming experience, and everything else...all the fluff and eyecandy is offered through a cash market, a la SWTOR's Cartel Store.
It makes sense for CCP to adopt this model because it's a cash cow. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:32:51 -
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Trigg Savo wrote:Every game since WoW is basically a WoW clone on most levels.
Sandbox games are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Monthly subscription models are basically dead, with the exception of EVE. Everything is F2P with a sub option for a more "complete" gaming experience, and everything else...all the fluff and eyecandy is offered through a cash market, a la SWTOR's Cartel Store.
It makes sense for CCP to adopt this model because it's a cash cow. The only way that makes sense is if CCP wants Eve to join the WoW clones in the dustbin of gaming history. They're never going to compete with Blizzard and win, countless other developers have tried and failed.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2015.04.30 03:40:39 -
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I'm a WOW refugee, from like 3 years ago. Honestly, it just depends on the player. I really enjoy the ability to do much more in a game environment that wow just simply couldn't provide. I do miss arena's but WOT satiates my needs for that.
Edit: I would like to add that EVE has indeed helped me in RL financially. Learning market theory has been an invaluable life skill for me. |
Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
104
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Posted - 2015.04.30 06:17:36 -
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Thomas Harding wrote:
Nethack. As much as I would like to say Eve is best game there is, it isn't. Nethack is still best.
This!
I'd even say it beats EVE at the things EVE is good at. It has a steeper learning curve, the things you can do are endless, loss is really real (no cloning, game over!)
If only it were truly multiplayer, not just through bones files... |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2266
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Posted - 2015.04.30 07:54:58 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Kiandoshia wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow. I really hope you don't really believe what you typed... People who play EvE have probably played WoW and realized that the candy coated, pastel world of Azeroth is a joke. There is no actual conflict, no reason to even be there, really. The players in EvE make the game what it is. We ARE the apex of online gaming; especially when compared against the competition. That having been said, though, I welcome the WoW transplants as I stated above. Any chance to get someone into a real online game is a chance I'll take. I actually really liked WoW until the story had taken me everywhere and my friends told me to queue for dungeons until level 80. Then it got kind of boring and I lost interest. It's a pretty cool single player game though. Gigantic and colourful and pretty funny. It was also nice to run around those places that I knew from the RTS games I played in some distant past and could barely remember. I played WoW from closed beta to the launch of Cataclysm. It really lost its luster at that point with me. It is the biggest online single player game I've ever played. You actually have to TRY to die in WoW. In EvE all you have to do is undock. I enjoyed my time in WoW as well just as I enjoyed my Everquest time (9 years!!) but EvE is by far the best.
Oh I managed to die =P Usually to NPCs. Eventually, I got killed by a guy in whereever that really jungly area is and for a time, I decided to stay there and have shootouts with other people because you could actually hide in the landscape and ambush them :D
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.30 08:52:49 -
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Solecist Project wrote:We're the top of the MMO food chain.
If the dumbest, but still experienced EVE players joined WoW they'd cry as well.
We'd own them.
Entitlement.... lol
It's Elitism!
Also: lol npc coward, go back to wow.
I survived Win95
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:00:34 -
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PLEXers vs. payers. Or, did CCP find a way to convert PLEX offered in game time into gold? (hearty laugh ho ho ho) Whenever you target the widest common denominator, you blunt dull or blur your item. The WCD is dimbulb range, after all. The gaming industry has fumbled with this for half a decade now, and all they could come up with are games that require a 12-year old no thought whatever to play, with stuff in a micro-transaction store that the 12-year old's mommy's VISA can operate.
Way of the MMO - Mummy, it only costs ten bucks. Can I HAVE IT??
Has CCP stealthily adopted this business model while attempting to bamboozle the "old players" (back when the game required intelligence)? Only time will tell, eh? What's it starting to look like? It doesn't matter how many subscribers CCP has then, for EVE won't be EVE, it'll be some other thing with that label. Are we verging on this, or has it already come to pass?
MOMMY! GET OUT YER VISA!! THERE'S ANOTHER "UPDATE"!
I survived Win95
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Iam The Flash
New Eden Cultural Exchange Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:07:24 -
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GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point.
We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic.
CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it.
Get a clue, it's not about that.
People paid ISK for ships with skins on, way above market value over original hulls and then overnight, all our *skinned* ships revert to normal and are we compensated the billions of ISK? No.
Ive lost a total of 2.3billion ISK on ships. Ships that i PAID for over the market price because they had cool skins on.
So yeh, forgive me if im pissed off
I still play wow, that makes me a girl does it? a noob? get stuffed mate and get a clue |
Avaelica Kuershin
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:39:16 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:
People paid ISK for ships with skins on, way above market value over original hulls and then overnight, all our *skinned* ships revert to normal and are we compensated the billions of ISK? No.
Ive lost a total of 2.3billion ISK on ships. Ships that i PAID for over the market price because they had cool skins on.
So yeh, forgive me if im pissed off
I still play wow, that makes me a girl does it? a noob? get stuffed mate and get a clue
And are you pissed off because you can associate that ISK with real money? If so, did you ever drop gold on fancy mounts in WoW? Like the one that came with the reforger? What then is the difference?
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:53:54 -
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I played wow for 2 weeks. It was about 5 years ago I think.
I count as refugee?
truly wow is the most boring, horrible, bad experience in MMOs I had ever. if not for the "oh ! I burned this place in WC3!!" moments I wouldn't been there for even a week.
I played swtor on and off for few years. Mostly for the plot as big KOTOR fan I mostly played solo with on and off ****** group content which is easy as pie. but lately they just gave the middle finger to the story content and just place terminals with daily missions instead of bloody creating story. Also > cartel market.
EvE is nice as it's single world running for over 10 years and players create the story. The systems are interesting and due to skill learning mechanic there is always something new to experience. But let's not get ahead of ourselves with "Master Race of the Master Race" attitude. Bit of humility never hurt anyone.
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.30 10:05:43 -
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The tiresome practice of trying to equate ISK to real world money has long since lost its power to titillate, unless of course you're a cable "news" addict. (That being the case, why would you be here?)
Caveat emptor /-îk+ªv+¢+æ-Ét -ê+¢mpt+ör/ is Latin for "Let the buyer beware" <--- In case that slipped your notice. If you're going to be an unbridled capitalist lackey at least learn the lingo.
You knew at the time what you were buying had a limited shelf life. No. We don't need to go into you paying huge sums of money to look at something only you can see. It's not like you can stand in front of the Prancing Pony in Bree and show off to the noobs what great garb your mom will sacrifice the Visa for.
Skin purchaser remorse isn't the subject is it?
I survived Win95
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
22537
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Posted - 2015.04.30 10:36:37 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:But let's not get ahead of ourselves with "Master Race of the Master Race" attitude. Bit of humility never hurt anyone. No idea why you see things completely opposite.
What we need is a bit of elitism ... ... because that reminds people that we are still the master race of the master race.
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Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.30 11:31:32 -
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Seriously, who cares where people come from. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.30 12:36:23 -
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If I am recruiting for a corp and find that someone was happy to solo through multiple quests with multiple characters, button mashing or go "Boost plz" for years. I would be more inclined to take my chances on a newbie.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:31:25 -
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What's a WoW?
Is it some kind of cake? |
Staten Island
The Offical Balder Fan Club
36
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:31:42 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.
Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is.
Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
89
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:37:13 -
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I have always been under the impression CCP would rather have addicts who will be here till they die paying their subs than flash in the pan one or two monthers who will leave when their ability to comprehend the nature of the game fails them and they either leave or demand changes to keep them happy.
In short; better 5000 constant numbers than 50,000 whining babies who need constantly appeased. |
erg cz
Tribal Core
232
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:44:53 -
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Staten Island wrote: Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them.
You want to help keep old players and get more new players? Support or help develop this suggestion! |
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
33865
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:07:44 -
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This thread is a shameful display of hubris.
Why do bad threads happen to good people?
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