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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:12:38 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:This thread is a shameful display of hubris. Please use a thesaurus.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:13:46 -
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Staten Island wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.
Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is. Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them. Yeah and since then CCP has been banning bots in masses ... ... ruined the RMT market ... ... introduced MCT which made lots of people reduce their account numbers ... ... banned multiplexing.
Considering all of that ... ... they are doing quite well.
I still see 30k+ daily.
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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:19:25 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:This thread is a shameful display of hubris. Please use a thesaurus.
I deployed the exact meaning that I desired to.
Why do bad threads happen to good people?
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Isis Dea
Xotica Entertainment
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:23:43 -
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GenericForumAlt 1267389 wrote:I've been seeing a lot more complaining than usual about the WoW refugees recently. Seems it spiked when CCP announced permanent ship skins. The people who are so quick to complain about how entitled the wow community is are in a way entitled themselves. CCP is a company and making the game more appealing or easier gets subs. I'm in a new player friendly corp in nullsec and our numbers have been swelling with people completely new to EVE, its almost 2 a day at this point.
We don't get vets unsubbing and most are happy with the changes that are happening. EVE isn't "your" sandbox its "a" sandbox, yeah yeah my 15 dollars a month blah blah same argument the people in WoW use. I think its time to come to terms with the fact that EVE Online is not the same game it was 10 years ago and it will never be. Ship skins, clothing, refined UI some of the most heated topics recently are all massive revenue drivers for other companies. Of course CCP is going to add them and to think they won't try to make revenue because of the vocal minority bitching about it on the forums is just idiotic.
CCP isn't going to hold their game and company profits back because you feel dissatisfied with a change that has no impact on gameplay, get over it.
Vet since 2004, finally unsubbing. Although it's more because I'm a role-player who's watched the slow decline of EVE's catering to its lore and vast sci-fi dystopia and more catering to trollish alliances that were the initial reason I ran away from other titles and came to EVE in the first place.
Still keeping my stuff, of course. Maybe one day EVE will become that way again...
(I fall into that tiny demographic that actually wanted to see more clothes/character stuff, than spaceship skins...)
More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1758
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:28:22 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:I have always been under the impression CCP would rather have addicts who will be here till they die paying their subs than flash in the pan one or two monthers who will leave when their ability to comprehend the nature of the game fails them and they either leave or demand changes to keep them happy.
In short; better 5000 constant numbers than 50,000 whining babies who need constantly appeased.
The problem for that is greed. Every MMO could potentially have lived on it's "core" audience for years but owners usually want better returns on investment. If your target audience was large to begin with, you face less problem than if you were creating a niche game. The cut-off line always depend on your running cost. If the 50,000 babies are needed to keep your stuff running, the 5000 constant numbers option is just not valid. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:35:11 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: If the 50,000 babies are needed to keep your stuff running, the 5000 constant numbers option is just not valid.
Yeah, but they aren't needed. That's why we dont have em.
Isis Dea wrote: I'm a role-player who's watched the slow decline of EVE's catering to its lore and vast sci-fi dystopia and more catering to trollish alliances that were the initial reason I ran away from other titles and came to EVE in the first place.
So you are a roleplayer, but one who doesn't want to roleplay in a universe you can actually interact with but prefer the painted-on chairs and unassailable whims of NPCs who never ever ever change? In a lore that isnt particualrly interesting or original?
You probably should have stayed in the Golden Lion Inn tbqfh |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1758
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Posted - 2015.04.30 15:05:17 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: If the 50,000 babies are needed to keep your stuff running, the 5000 constant numbers option is just not valid. Yeah, but they aren't needed. That's why we dont have em. Isis Dea wrote: I'm a role-player who's watched the slow decline of EVE's catering to its lore and vast sci-fi dystopia and more catering to trollish alliances that were the initial reason I ran away from other titles and came to EVE in the first place. So you are a roleplayer, but one who doesn't want to roleplay in a universe you can actually interact with but prefer the painted-on chairs and unassailable whims of NPCs who never ever ever change? In a lore that isnt particualrly interesting or original? You probably should have stayed in the Golden Lion Inn tbqfh
I was only illustrating without it applying to EVE's current state.
As for that inn, it's kinda creepy tbh... |
Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
85
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Posted - 2015.04.30 15:18:00 -
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Staten Island wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.
Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is. Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them.
Got any kind of proof of that? Any kind at all? Not just inconsequential reports of you seeing the pilot count on the launcher. It is really easy to say "OMG x game is dying!!!" but it's way harder to actually prove it.
CCP has the data and they have shared it. Guess what? It is the exact opposite of what you're saying. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
91
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Posted - 2015.04.30 15:27:29 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
I was only illustrating without it applying to EVE's current state.
As for that inn, it's kinda creepy tbh...
Oh no, I totally get that. Just confirming your confirmation while I take Ramona for her first Confirmation (its an Amarr thing)
And yes, the Golden Lion is no place for minors thats for true. Or Miners for that matter. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6623
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Posted - 2015.04.30 16:17:02 -
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DaReaper wrote:i don;t mind some of the changes. the learning curve in eve is steep, but giving someone more then a dogy paddle before tossing them intot he deep end is good.
And more wow players, more people to shoo tin the face.
Eve has room to devlope in ways to attract people without losing itself. The hot red head who will rip your balls off if you **** her off, can change her dress if she wishes.. or put on makeup.. but she will still rip your balls off.
as long as eve stays single shard, uninstanced, open world, and dark. she will be fine. you can dull some of the edges for noobs, and still keep her core
Noooo not the sack
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Velarra
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Posted - 2015.04.30 17:19:44 -
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At least no one's pleading for eve to go F2P. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
91
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Posted - 2015.04.30 17:23:19 -
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Velarra wrote:At least no one's pleading for eve to go F2P.
The lynchin party I think is too obvious
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Velarra
361
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Posted - 2015.04.30 17:30:26 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Velarra wrote:At least no one's pleading for eve to go F2P. The lynchin party I think is too obvious
And then there's the horrible reality of knowing CCP would be completely incapable of executing such a drastic shift in economics without failure and irrevocably destroying the entire game in the process. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
93
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Posted - 2015.04.30 17:38:01 -
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Velarra wrote:Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Velarra wrote:At least no one's pleading for eve to go F2P. The lynchin party I think is too obvious And then there's the horrible reality of knowing CCP would be completely incapable of executing such a drastic shift in economics without failure and irrevocably destroying the entire game in the process.
It would be a self-destruct that would make Age of Conan: Hyperboring Adventures look like a wise business move. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2015.04.30 18:26:48 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Staten Island wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.
Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is. Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them. Got any kind of proof of that? Any kind at all? Not just inconsequential reports of you seeing the pilot count on the launcher. It is really easy to say "OMG x game is dying!!!" but it's way harder to actually prove it. CCP has the data and they have shared it. Guess what? It is the exact opposite of what you're saying.
CCP have not shared the most most important piece of data which they used to for years now, and that is the actual number of Subscribers.
People can make there own minds why that is but for me it is the simple fact that they have gone down instead of up.
Its a great marketing tool to share with the world that your game is gaining subscribers but it is not so good to share if you are losing subscribers.
Most publishers like to tell the world when they have x number of subscribers but go all quiet when that number starts to go down.. CCP are no exception to the rule. |
Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
88
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Posted - 2015.04.30 18:31:45 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Staten Island wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:The more players in EvE the better for the future of the game, period. More players = more money = more content = more people to shoot in the face.
Come WoW refugees, come to the darkness. Come, see what online gaming REALLY is. Except things seem to be going the other way. Back when I started playing I would log on and there would be mid to high 30k folk on during est and there was a constant drum beat from ccp about how they were going to set a record for concurrent log ins and you would see spikes into the 40s (high 40s?). Anyway these days it seems always to be in the 20s and often the low 20s. Sure CCP claimed that after "this is eve" there was a spike in new users, but IMO it doesnt seem to have made a difference long term and every one of these updates seems to be driving long term users away, with none of the hordes of mythical wow users coming into replace them. Got any kind of proof of that? Any kind at all? Not just inconsequential reports of you seeing the pilot count on the launcher. It is really easy to say "OMG x game is dying!!!" but it's way harder to actually prove it. CCP has the data and they have shared it. Guess what? It is the exact opposite of what you're saying. CCP have not shared the most most important piece of data which they used to for years now, and that is the actual number of Subscribers. People can make there own minds why that is but for me it is the simple fact that they have gone down instead of up. Its a great marketing tool to share with the world that your game is gaining subscribers but it is not so good to share if you are losing subscribers. Most publishers like to tell the world when they have x number of subscribers but go all quiet when that number starts to go down.. CCP are no exception to the rule.
Hold up. If you admit you don't even know the amount of subscribers how can you possibly say it's gone down? |
SpaceyJoe Mentat
Kollectorz
0
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Posted - 2015.04.30 18:58:46 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Catering to the same player base as most other MMO is not a safe bet. Look at all the wow killers...
Eve has pretty securely established its niche in the PVP gaming community:
Eve = World PVP king WoW = Arena and BG ESO = AvA PS2 = mmofps LoL = "E Sport" king
Cash shops are popping up all over the industry; until ccp makes an instanced arena/bg system they aren't catering to the WoW pvp crowd. |
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
93
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Posted - 2015.04.30 19:10:48 -
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SpaceyJoe Mentat wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Catering to the same player base as most other MMO is not a safe bet. Look at all the wow killers... Eve has pretty securely established its niche in the PVP gaming community: Eve = World PVP king WoW = Arena and BG ESO = AvA PS2 = mmofps LoL = "E Sport" king Cash shops are popping up all over the industry; until ccp makes an instanced arena/bg system they aren't catering to the WoW pvp crowd.
Why would they want to?
And just no. Just totally no. Your list... no. |
Hicksimus
Xion Limited Resonance.
600
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Posted - 2015.04.30 19:29:22 -
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Freya Sertan wrote: Hold up. If you admit you don't even know the amount of subscribers how can you possibly say it's gone down?
While nobody can say numbers are going down with certainly I'm sure everybody can grasp the logic of self fulfilling prophecy and as a result they can grasp the concept of CCP never wanting to show that "EvE is dying". Given that knowledge and CCP's employment reductions lately plus their push towards paid content we can also be certain that they have revenue issues. So I can't tell you with absolute certainty that subscriber numbers are going down but I can tell you that the logic exists to suggest that it is the cause of them not showing the subscriber numbers.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
93
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Posted - 2015.04.30 19:34:59 -
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Hicksimus wrote: While nobody can say numbers are going down with certainly I'm sure everybody can grasp the logic of self fulfilling prophecy and as a result they can grasp the concept of CCP never wanting to show that "EvE is dying".
So CCP not saying Eve Is DyingTM = EvE MUST be dying.
It couldnt possibly be more likely that they aren't concerned or reporting it because it... isnt dying? |
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Freya Sertan
Tyrell Heavy Industries
91
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Posted - 2015.04.30 19:39:03 -
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Hicksimus wrote:Freya Sertan wrote: Hold up. If you admit you don't even know the amount of subscribers how can you possibly say it's gone down?
While nobody can say numbers are going down with certainly I'm sure everybody can grasp the logic of self fulfilling prophecy and as a result they can grasp the concept of CCP never wanting to show that "EvE is dying". Given that knowledge and CCP's employment reductions lately plus their push towards paid content we can also be certain that they have revenue issues. So I can't tell you with absolute certainty that subscriber numbers are going down but I can tell you that the logic exists to suggest that it is the cause of them not showing the subscriber numbers.
That is the antithesis to logic, that is speculation. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
470
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Posted - 2015.04.30 20:09:36 -
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Hicksimus wrote:Freya Sertan wrote: Hold up. If you admit you don't even know the amount of subscribers how can you possibly say it's gone down?
While nobody can say numbers are going down with certainly I'm sure everybody can grasp the logic of self fulfilling prophecy and as a result they can grasp the concept of CCP never wanting to show that "EvE is dying". Given that knowledge and CCP's employment reductions lately plus their push towards paid content we can also be certain that they have revenue issues. So I can't tell you with absolute certainty that subscriber numbers are going down but I can tell you that the logic exists to suggest that it is the cause of them not showing the subscriber numbers.
Ah ok so because they have done what every game does by introducing a microtransaction feature (which is damn profitable) and layed off staff from a cancelled project eve is dying, come on have a word
Following a trend does not mean you have revenue issues, they would have been stupid not to implement microtransactions
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25095
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Posted - 2015.04.30 20:33:08 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Hold up. If you admit you don't even know the amount of subscribers how can you possibly say it's gone down? Because every single metric we have at our disposal has shown a decline in activity, and for as long as we have been able to correlate the two, activity has covaried with subscription rates.
The only real difference lately as a result of the bans and policy changes is that the activity has become less swingy; it is still trending downwards over the last two years.
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Iam The Flash
New Eden Cultural Exchange Advent of Fate
53
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Posted - 2015.04.30 22:33:46 -
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You people are truly pathetic.
You make a forum thread for *like and get likes* just to up *your counter* so it looks like people like you.
You destroy null sec by infesting empire with grifer alts because you people don't want to look for fights anymore, u'd rather camp market hubs and then complain on the forums about lack of pvp in null when it's you, the so called null pvpers who are to blame.
You constantly slam WoW, even tho it has over 7 million players worldwide and we don't even have 3/4 of a million because EvE is so broke it's a joke.
You constantly screw up empire market prices by slamming frieghters non stop and slamming barges for lols non stop.
You, the PvP population are single handedly destroying EvE and you have the audacity to come on here and COMPLAIN about ship skins and low numbers online.
You use grifer alts to destroy new player corps non stop for then damn lols of it.
You're pathetic.
Alll the problems with EvE, you have only yourselves to blame |
Paranoid Loyd
4982
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Posted - 2015.04.30 22:39:04 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:You people are truly pathetic.
You make a forum thread for *like and get likes* just to up *your counter* so it looks like people like you.
You destroy null sec by infesting empire with grifer alts because you people don't want to look for fights anymore, u'd rather camp market hubs and then complain on the forums about lack of pvp in null when it's you, the so called null pvpers who are to blame.
You constantly slam WoW, even tho it has over 7 million players worldwide and we don't even have 3/4 of a million because EvE is so broke it's a joke.
You constantly screw up empire market prices by slamming frieghters non stop and slamming barges for lols non stop.
You, the PvP population are single handedly destroying EvE and you have the audacity to come on here and COMPLAIN about ship skins and low numbers online.
You use grifer alts to destroy new player corps non stop for then damn lols of it.
You're pathetic.
Alll the problems with EvE, you have only yourselves to blame Glorious tears.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2363
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Posted - 2015.04.30 22:45:45 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:You people are truly pathetic.
You make a forum thread for *like and get likes* just to up *your counter* so it looks like people like you.
You destroy null sec by infesting empire with grifer alts because you people don't want to look for fights anymore, u'd rather camp market hubs and then complain on the forums about lack of pvp in null when it's you, the so called null pvpers who are to blame.
You constantly slam WoW, even tho it has over 7 million players worldwide and we don't even have 3/4 of a million because EvE is so broke it's a joke.
You constantly screw up empire market prices by slamming frieghters non stop and slamming barges for lols non stop.
You, the PvP population are single handedly destroying EvE and you have the audacity to come on here and COMPLAIN about ship skins and low numbers online.
You use grifer alts to destroy new player corps non stop for then damn lols of it.
You're pathetic.
Alll the problems with EvE, you have only yourselves to blame BREAKING NEWS:
PVP is destroying a PVP game! More on this story at 11... |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3341
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Posted - 2015.04.30 23:08:10 -
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However, that rant does have one interesting idea: To get more PvP in low and Null, remove PvP opportunities in High.
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Avaelica Kuershin
46
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Posted - 2015.04.30 23:13:23 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:However, that rant does have one interesting idea: To get more PvP in low and Null, remove PvP opportunities in High.
So... Remove High? |
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2015.04.30 23:19:07 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Catering to the same player base as most other MMO is not a safe bet. Look at all the wow killers... Most of the "wow killers" weren't advertised as such just over zealous fanboys and haters of WoW made such proclamations.
AION would of slaughtered WoW if NCsoft was decent at anything other then making videos. Ncsoft kept the grind the RNG and the oldschool crap while essentially ignoring the bots and spammers. If a competent group had been in control of AIOn then things would of been a lot different.
That's the only game I'm aware of that actually really ever was a potential wow killer.
Rowells wrote: PVP is destroying a PVP game! More on this story at 11...
It's more like griefing in a pvp game is destroying the chance for real pvp. At least I think that was the point he was trying to make.
In my experience shooting a miner or a freighter is no different from shooting a npc rat. The risk is all the same and your victim has no chance.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2363
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Posted - 2015.04.30 23:21:31 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:However, that rant does have one interesting idea: To get more PvP in low and Null, remove PvP opportunities in High. I think you're looking at it wrong.
"To make the grass greener in my yard, I must make my neighbors grass less green"
Unless those "opportunities" you are referring to are the players/targets themselves. |
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