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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.04.30 19:44:39 -
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I want everyone to imagine something with me for a moment. Imagine that each system in New Eden is a hollow sphere, such as one might find in a desktop Charisoco habitat.Imagine then that each stargate is a tube, connecting all the spheres together in their proper places. Now, you could actually do this physically and someone yet might, but for now just imagine it.
This is of course an effectively accurate representation of the areas of space we have access to, not to scale of course. Anoikis of course adds a complication to this, but then you are traveling at the whims of an effective unknown.
And that's just the point and the problem, its completely unknown. We as capsuleers are completely incapable of functionally navigating interstellar space. I believe the time has come to correct that imbalance in ability. If we are to survive the dialogues to come, then we will need to be much more prepared then we are now.
We must confront the realities of interstellar travel and astrogation. We have spent a decade getting our feet wet, but it is at last time for us to actually wade into the deeps. The war is coming, and when it arrives, if we don't have functional interstellar travel, we will die. We saw the damage that one man and his private army could do with such a method just a few years ago when Nation attacked. The Sisters of Eve also appear to have some manner of wormhole manipulation technology that allowed Thera to be discovered and colonized by them in the first place. If we wish to survive the coming conflicts, as a culture, as a civilisation, then we as a capsuleers, as a cohort, must master this ability. We must learn to navigation interstellar space, map interstellar space, we should have a clear imagine in our mind of what space looks like for a thousand light years in every direction. We are the pilots, the captains, the navigators, its on us.
We stand at the shores of a boundless universe, yet we bound ourselves within it. And as long as we are so bound, we may be destroyed with our habitat. What would happen if Caroline's Star played out somewhere in New Eden proper? Lets say, Amarr, where the drifters have been showing up lately. Even one such attack could have dire repercussions. If an enemy is capable of repeating the feat, then we could be wiped from existence with little effort. Save for Origin and other small colonies in wormhole space, humanity would die with New Eden in such an apocalyptic event.
Our warp drives have the speed to go anywhere, and yet presently take us no where. That is one target line that must be researched. Interstellar line of sight warping may already be being employed by the drifters. They wouldn't need to use our stargates, they could just fly directly to the exit gate in the next system.
And of course we really need to get designs for generating wormholes to specific destination. Its obvious that various organisations are aware of how to do this, and I think its time for them to start sharing, for the good of the human race.
We must prepare for a war unlike any we have seen before.
Ad Astra Per Aspera Saede Riordan Systems Coordinator, Alexylva Paradox
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.01 07:05:31 -
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Saede Riordan wrote: And of course we really need to get designs for generating wormholes to specific destination. Its obvious that various organisations are aware of how to do this, and I think its time for them to start sharing, for the good of the human race.
We must prepare for a war unlike any we have seen before.
Then again any of those organizations are capable of saving enough amount of genetic material aka people for humans race to survive.
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum
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Posted - 2015.05.01 10:42:57 -
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It is, indeed, time we admit that most of our ships are merely "system-ships" and not "star-ships" and advance to true star-ships.
Of those organizations already in possession of such capabilities, do you count them as truly human? |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
496
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Posted - 2015.05.01 11:26:53 -
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The Talocans could.
The Nation acquired their wormhole technology through studying Talocan static gates in Anoikis.
So can we. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
73
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Posted - 2015.05.01 11:29:04 -
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Agreed.
Concepts of "war" and "territory" and "sovereignty" are fast becoming outdated. We have a whole galaxy at our fingertips, with unknown and uncounted riches. Why squabble over mere patches of dirt?
We've just found out that the places we've called home are, in most cases, not ours to call home. We've been renters. Placeholders.
We face a new race (or a new facet of an ancient race) that surpasses us technologically. Basic evolution teaches us that we must adapt or die.
The technology exists. We have that proof. Knowing that we can, we must now either invent or reverse-engineer our own methods of interstellar travel.
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
32
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Posted - 2015.05.01 13:10:10 -
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Indeed. We need to advance just about every facet of our technology; this seems as good a place as any to start.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
781
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Posted - 2015.05.01 13:29:16 -
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Capsuleers can't warp ships willy-nilly. Or open wormholes as they please.
But that doesn't mean that such things aren't possible.
And maybe, there's a reason why such things aren't possible by capsuleers.
Say, how about that time Nauplius opened a wormhole directly on Matar's surface, and the entire planet was extruded through the wormhole into the middle of nowhere. Wasn't that a jolly good prank.
Doctor Valerie Valate, archaeologist. Not the other Doctor Valerie Valate.
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
32
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:10:44 -
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Difficult to do when your ship only opens a wormhole large enough for itself.
And considering how controlled capsuleer vessels are currently - cough cough CONCORD Crimewatch - limiting wormhole size and/or other such things is simple enough, I imagine.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
622
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:28:37 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:And maybe, there's a reason why such things aren't possible by capsuleers. I ... guess I sort of have to agree with Ms. Valate, here.
Even leaving out the possibilities for mischief, which Ms. Valate may ... somewhat overstate, our nav interfaces are very well configured for keeping us in our network of globes and tunnels. Breaking past that, to become capable of true interstellar exploration, would likely involve either breaking CONCORD's limitations on us (difficult and probably bad) or working around them.
A small fleet, bearing cyno generators, could easily trail along behind one or more small capsuleer vessels built for speed. Such a caravan could cross interstellar distances in ...
... um. A long time.
If I did the math right, positing a base speed of 6 km/second, it looks like that sort of caravan could maybe cover a light year in about half a million standard years.
Oh, dear.
I guess we really would have to circumvent our navigation systems to get this working properly. Or find a dreadfully convenient wormhole. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
32
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Posted - 2015.05.01 14:57:55 -
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63240 AU to one Light-Year. Assuming stars are approximately 4LY apart on average...
3.5 AU/s avg. warp velocity
(3.5*63240)/60 = 3689 minutes
3689/60 = 61 hours per light-year. Roughly
We need some faster warp drives, it would seem.
...seriously hope I got my math right.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:05:03 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:
Say, how about that time Nauplius opened a wormhole directly on Matar's surface, and the entire planet was extruded through the wormhole into the middle of nowhere. Wasn't that a jolly good prank.
Say, how about that time someone crashed a Titan into the Caldari homeworld?
Say, how about that time your empress one-shotted a Minmatar fleet?
Say, how about that time that guy rammed a ship into a station full of civilians?
Say, how about that star they named after Caroline?
BRCE: Mission Statement!
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7566
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Posted - 2015.05.01 15:19:22 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Capsuleers can't warp ships willy-nilly. Or open wormholes as they please.
But that doesn't mean that such things aren't possible.
And maybe, there's a reason why such things aren't possible by capsuleers.
Say, how about that time Nauplius opened a wormhole directly on Matar's surface, and the entire planet was extruded through the wormhole into the middle of nowhere. Wasn't that a jolly good prank.
The dangers posed by the access to such technologies are quickly outweighed by the risk associated with remaining trapped within the bubble of New Eden. These technologies are also already in the wild, and some very potentially dangerous groups already have access to it. The damage is done, the best that can be done now is to follow the Jove example and proliferate the technology as widely as possible. Give us the ability to run, there's an entire galaxy out there to explore and find refuge in. Given the dangers posed by the threats our civilisation now faces, our best chance of survival is to scatter seeds as far afield as possible. Isn't that something your God tends to encourage anyway?
Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
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Quattras Peione
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
84
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Posted - 2015.05.02 06:15:04 -
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The largest reason the Drifters, Sansha, and the like are able to pose so great a threat to humanity as a whole is because we are so focused on fighting one another over - as been stated - patches of dirt. Every major capsuleer organization in New Eden wants to stake its claim somewhere and, to paraphrase an old holovid cliche, "this town ain't big enough for all of us."
It has been what, centuries since the last time a new stellar gate was erected? As dangerous as the obvious threats are, the biggest threat to humanity is our own infighting, which is caused by stagnation. Beyond the need to navigate between stars - and yes, I acknowledge that as a need, we need to seek new space. If coalitions cannot abide living next to one another, why should they have to?
When the current stargate network reached its current "finished" state there was no apparent reason to reach further. The major empires had no need for resources beyond those in our local cluster. But New Eden is getting crowded, which is completely needless given that it is a relatively tiny speck in this expansive galaxy. I would posit that if the wealthiest organizations in the cluster - capsuleer organizations (I'm looking at you, Goonswarm) - were given license to build their own gates beyond the New Eden cluster and expand to their content, those of us who remain would be able to focus on the more immediate dangers that can be solved using the resources otherwise devoted to fueling endless turf wars. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
33
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:23:28 -
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Anoikis was a decent start - somewhere for capsuleers to go and do their thing with a bit less violent interaction - but I agree with Pilot Peione. We desperately need to expand the New Eden stargate network.
As fkr interstellar travel... standard warp speeds are rather slow, and capacitor and power grid use would prohibit interstellar warp tunnels anyhow. Wormholes might be an option. Microcynosural fields also. Perhaps a form of microjumpdrive.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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