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JForce
The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:32:00 -
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I think it's interesting to think about what's going to happen the day of Kali's release, if "Warp to 0km" is implemented.
All of a sudden, millions, maybe tens of millions, of BMs are redundant.
People will have a few BMs, their tacticals and SSs, but the vast majority become useless.
So the mass destruction begins. The server will already be under huge strain from every man and his dog trying to get Kali'd up on opening day.
So will it crash the cluster, everyone trying to delete their BMs?
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Brolly
Caldari The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:42:00 -
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I'm more than happy to give up all my bm's in order to have warp to 0km and a clean server. Very intrested in finding out how server performace improves.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:42:00 -
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"It was as if millions of bms cried out in pain, and was suddenly silenced"
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Redeol
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Redeol on 06/11/2006 23:42:14
Originally by: JForce I think it's interesting to think about what's going to happen the day of Kali's release, if "Warp to 0km" is implemented.
All of a sudden, millions, maybe tens of millions, of BMs are redundant.
People will have a few BMs, their tacticals and SSs, but the vast majority become useless.
So the mass destruction begins. The server will already be under huge strain from every man and his dog trying to get Kali'd up on opening day.
So will it crash the cluster, everyone trying to delete their BMs?
who says it will be implemented
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Jason Kildaro
Minmatar Synergy Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:42:00 -
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Or maybe they will run a script that deletes all of the BM's around gates before the server comes up?
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FFGR
Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:44:00 -
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Assuming the warp to 0 gets in, ID prices will rise and nobody will buy small anchorable bubbles. _______
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer "It was as if millions of bms cried out in pain, and was suddenly silenced"
Hehe I like the thought..
Well I for one will delete all my navigational BMs (instas) as they are a big liability to the UI and performance anyway, cant wait for "Warp to 0km" option TBH
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR Assuming the warp to 0 gets in, ID prices will rise and nobody will buy small anchorable bubbles.
Maybe a 50% increase in anchorable bubble range, how does that sound? since dictors are out they have kinda become the underdog utility..
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Lone Bear
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.07 00:21:00 -
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All bms are blocked on Sisi, including ss, snipe spot etc... Deleting them doesnt take long tbh.
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Muthsera
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.11.07 00:23:00 -
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I think they will do it this time. Since their giving it a second shot. They tried it on the test once for the rmr patch I belive. Or was it the one after? Can't really recall.
But you got to considder that once you jump into a system your bm's need to assert itself to the new system. I think this is why we're seeing such lag tbh. :/ But thats just an uneducatedguess.
Though the initial destruction of bm's could be a problem. It's only a "one time cpu requirement" after you delete it, the once used bm whould require no more cpu. Quite simple actually.
So lets see if they implement it. I sure as hell been waiting for this for a long long time.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.11.07 00:31:00 -
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Would anyone go round deleting their BMs? Just leave them there and never use them?
No-one touches them, no heavy load on server, right?
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Wylker
The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Wylker on 07/11/2006 00:35:42 I never really seperated my tacticals/cans/SS from my navigation BMs. Deleting will be a pain :(
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:08:00 -
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im more interested in what sort of party will be going on at CCP when they start seeing bookmark database size go down and how drunk valar will get.
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Kuang
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:15:00 -
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Personally hope they put it into kali .... Most of the people I fight you gate to gate bms and such and really it will not change much
looks like a good way to free up something that is 1 problem of lag and such ... personally also think they should give us 1 month notice and delete all bms ... give us time to remove cans and such .
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Ilmonstre
Minmatar TYRANTS
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:20:00 -
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i wouldnt be to fussed about losing some giant cans and if you can probe them out again afterwards that would even be better
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Kuang
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:23:00 -
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That would work also ... either way
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:27:00 -
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Something I think is important for the less-enlightened people to know here...
Warp to 0KM is a MANUAL THING. Leaving a ship on AutoPilot still warps to 15KM - just in case this affects anyone's opinions on Warping to 0km feature.
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Slevin Kalebra
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:30:00 -
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Personally I'm not deleting any BMs until I'm sure it's in and going to stay in. Imagine the wails of anguish if it was decided to take it out again (for example, if the wrong code branch gets ported to TQ - which has happened before now)
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:33:00 -
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I think it'd be nice if they just deleted all BMs at Kali.
Then you get rid of broken SS's that can't be found, then-useless instas, and everyone gets to rebuild.
However it sucks for people with deepspace ammo stashes, and whatnot.
But still, it'd be good for exploration.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.11.07 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I think it'd be nice if they just deleted all BMs at Kali.
Then you get rid of broken SS's that can't be found, then-useless instas, and everyone gets to rebuild.
However it sucks for people with deepspace ammo stashes, and whatnot.
But still, it'd be good for exploration.
Couldn't you use scanners or probey things to find stuff like that again?
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Bonafyde
The Legion.
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Posted - 2006.11.07 02:25:00 -
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I like the idea of "warp to 0" in the end it doesnt change a whole lot when it comes to at the keyboard pilots.
My biggest fear would be they disabled BM creation entirely, making it impossible to create tactical SS's, or snipe locations, or station overwatches etc etc.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.07 02:40:00 -
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I think all BMs regardless of purpose or usage should be removed.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
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Karoth Tyu
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.07 03:07:00 -
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I hope they're all deleted, personally. Let everyone start over. If people want safespot or tactical bookmarks, they can remake them in 5 minutes just like they can now.
It's been previously stated by a certain dev that bookmarks alone take up an appalling amount of database resources currently. Their demise has been a long time coming and is very much deserved.
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Rilder
Caldari black viper corp
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Posted - 2006.11.07 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian I think all BMs regardless of purpose or usage should be removed.
Ok, so youve hidden a large container in the middle of nowere with some nice expensive stuff just incase something bad happens to you or something (like being hacked), not much just enough to when sold net you a large sum of cash to get you back on your feet, boom all bookmarks removed and your out 10-30 mil of stuff
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.07 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rilder
Originally by: Thor Xian I think all BMs regardless of purpose or usage should be removed.
Ok, so youve hidden a large container in the middle of nowere with some nice expensive stuff just incase something bad happens to you or something (like being hacked), not much just enough to when sold net you a large sum of cash to get you back on your feet, boom all bookmarks removed and your out 10-30 mil of stuff
I pity the fools who do that after Revelations, as it will be possible to scan that said container out and blow it up.
Now that will be grieving.
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Lunarmist
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Posted - 2006.11.07 04:22:00 -
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actually, unless ccp is going to make all bms useless. Otherwise, everybody should hold on to their bms for a few more months in case ccp decided to remove the warp to 0 option. It could be a trick you know. hehe
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.07 04:25:00 -
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The funny thing about most data structures delete() operation, is that the more times you use it, the faster it goes...
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Haydon IV
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Posted - 2006.11.07 07:49:00 -
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Or, CCP can nudge all the gates a bit due to 'cosmic winds' and cause all 0km BMs to be invalid... and keep doing this every few days-weeks.....
kekee...
*hides*
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2006.11.07 08:09:00 -
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I think warp to 0km is a bad idea, not because I gate camp and look for cheap kills (which I do on occation) but because it takes the risk out of low sec and makes 0.0 even more deadly. I think BMs have been exploited, and warping to within 15kms of a gate should not be possible (I'm sure the code would be easy to write) - those 15kms are the risk factor - and the fact that people want access to 0.4 and below is simply going to create that dead space. When 0.4 disspaears, where do you think the Pirates are going to go? Because I'd be ****ed if I hung around 0.4 (there is so little there anyway). If people want to take the element of risk out of the game, sure, make it 0kms - but every pipe is going to be camped till kingdome come, only makeing the distance between empire and allaince space wider, concentrating pirates into all the pipes.
In a sick way, I am looking forward to being a part of this segrigation. Nothing will pass unless it is protected. If the noobs want 0.4 to 0.1, let them have it. Personally, I think they should allow warp bubbles in 0.4 and below.
All in all, I am against this idea. Poor implimentation, and I am sure CCP will contiune to argue about it.
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Miya Kurosawa
Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.07 08:21:00 -
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it's only sensible that they implemented warp to 0. For 0.0, it really wouldn't make a difference with people using instas or warping to 0 manually. Most corps and pod pilots working in 0.0 use instas anyway. This could also emphasize the need for players to be always on their toes in unsecure space. sure it may be a pain to keep .0 secure for alliances and corps, but that's what interdictors and interceptors are for Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam Pinoy ako! =) For you Philippine players out there, join us in the Pinoy channel
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