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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.08 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 08/11/2006 13:04:04
It's pretty obvious what's happening. There's no two ways about it. Kimotoro Directive is falling apart. If the corporations leaving the alliance were not surrendering, they'd be declaring war on the Star Fraction. The question is will the remnants of the alliance survive in the coming days and manage to salvage something out of the situation or will the Star Fraction be able to claim a decisive victory?
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Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.11.08 13:08:00 -
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CAIN leaving KD has been predicted by other Caldari loyalists I talk to for a while. It's nothing SF should be too proud of as the underlying problems aren't new from what I could gather. It would have happened with or without the war sooner or later. It might have been a catalyst though. In fact it might strengthen both CAIN and KD in the long run as internal quarrels are usually neither healthy nor helpfull.
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Kyogen Steiner
Caldari The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2006.11.08 14:27:00 -
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The internal "issues" within the KD has been going on for aleast a year when i first heard about it. Its hardly something new and hardly a result of SF¦s war against the KD as an entity. As the Pretorian Said, it might have been the trigger, but it would have eventually happend anyway. Probably sooner if the war had not stated. -------------------------------------------------------
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Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.08 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: GoGo Yubari Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 08/11/2006 13:04:04
It's pretty obvious what's happening. There's no two ways about it. Kimotoro Directive is falling apart. If the corporations leaving the alliance were not surrendering, they'd be declaring war on the Star Fraction. The question is will the remnants of the alliance survive in the coming days and manage to salvage something out of the situation or will the Star Fraction be able to claim a decisive victory?
Star Fraction was the original aggressor in this case. Kimotoro Directive did not declare on the Star Fraction, and Star Fraction declared that their war without provocation and stated that their war was because they were fighting State Nationalism. How would our declaring or not declaring influence whatever the Radical Terrorists decide is a win or a loss?
The so called surrender was a CONCORD forced edict in poor wording. CAIN is stayig in Mito and we will be pursing an agenda that parallels what the Kimotoro Directive was doing - as its course was partly decided by us.
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Eden Ramani
INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2006.11.08 20:04:00 -
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Does CAIN by it self support a Caldari faction and mirror that ideology?
Patriot, Practical or Liberal?
I am curious and certainly don't want to be rude, if it is rude to ask I will retract.
Thank you.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.08 20:18:00 -
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CAIN, like us in the Kimotoro Directive, support the State as a whole by following the lead from the Caldari Navy, Caldari Executive Pannel, and the Caldari Buisness Tribunal. I do however only speak of my opinion on CAIN's actions and they are free to clarify their posistion if I am wrong. ------------------
CEO of TKI
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Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.08 20:36:00 -
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CAIN was created by ex-navy personnel and State loyalists. We lean more towards the Patriot faction, however we do have a general mix in our membership. We follow the States guidelines and rulings.
Far from what our enemies claim we aren't war mongering mouth foaming crazed paramilitaries calling for war against the other Empires. We want whats best for the State and its people. ------------------------------------------------
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Selim
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Van Cleef
We want whats best for the State and its people.
I didn't know that (attempting to) destroying convoys of food and medicine helps the Caldari People, squarehead.
Your incompetence is matched only by your inhumanity.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:51:00 -
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Put in a somewhat different perspective...
I'm sure that CAIN leaving the Kimotoro Directive is as much a reflection on the impending collapse of KD and the failure of the State as PIE leaving the CVA was a reflection of the impending collapse of the CVA and failure of the Empire.
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Van Cleef
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.08 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Van Cleef on 08/11/2006 22:17:00
Originally by: Selim
I didn't know that (attempting to) destroying convoys of food and medicine helps the Caldari People, squarehead. Your incompetence is matched only by your inhumanity.
Insults aside...Please Clarify
In a posthumanist society, can't anyone do what they please? I find it humorous that a corporation that allies itself to someone like The Black Rabbits who pillage and murder thousands could attempt to use the moral high ground. But I guess hypocrites such as yourselfs are allowed certain freedoms. ------------------------------------------------
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Estelle Matsuko
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.08 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Van Cleef Edited by: Van Cleef on 08/11/2006 22:17:00
Originally by: Selim
I didn't know that (attempting to) destroying convoys of food and medicine helps the Caldari People, squarehead. Your incompetence is matched only by your inhumanity.
Insults aside...Please Clarify
In a posthumanist society, can't anyone do what they please? I find it humorous that a corporation that allies itself to someone like The Black Rabbits who pillage and murder thousands could attempt to use the moral high ground. But I guess hypocrites such as yourselfs are allowed certain freedoms.
So, you chose to turn back or destroy ships carrying aid to help the starving and injured all in the name of Caldari Pride? Caldari Corporation Pride?
Strange how your concern for the caldari nation has failed to ease the peoples suffering one iota, but has managed to enrich the coffers of the pilots engaged in firing upon the relief convoy.
Once again the Nationalist Corporations profit at the expense of the people they claim to protect.
We have no need to claim the moral high ground when you condemn yourself so readily.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.08 23:39:00 -
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Condemnation for turning back a force which used the olive branch as a guise to land combat personnel into a situation that they would then use to take sovereign Caldari land, again?
Perhaps you should take a moment to use that brain which seems to collect dust in your head.
Why would the Federation be so fast to send assistance to another empire, one that did not ask for it, and made clear it did not want the 'help', when they left a nearl-destroyed planet to be taken care of by others? The Federation's 'assistance' was a bigger farce than certain people's self-defeating ideals.
Anyone who thinks the damage is bad now, needs to ask themselves how much worse it'd get when Federation troops had landed, and opened fire on any Caldari citizen or Home Guard member. The Federation could've turned back, however it did not, and while still facing the option of leaving peacefully, they were attacked by VETO, not the State.
The Federation was in violation of inter-empire treaties by sending those ships in without clearance, and to say such a number of marines is 'standard' on a ship, is a fool. Those marines were NOT part of the standard crew (which includes combat-trained personnel), they were extra, most likely there to be used to 'calm' the situation, which means they would have exchanged fire with the Home Guard, and/or State citizens. Either action would've resulted in the Caldari Navy being sent in to eliminate the aggressive foreign soldiers, their ships, and any 'extra assistance' the Federation would've sent.
Given the government setup of the Federation, to suggest the 'aid' went through their 'democratic process' that fast after the incident started, is extremely unlikely. No, that 'aid' was waiting to be deployed.
The Federation made a mistake, and they are at a loss due to it. Next time, if they wish to send 'aid', they'd better contact the CEP first, and when someone tells them to go home, they'd better do so. If it were the Amarr empire or the Caldari State sending assistance to the Federation, it would've been condemned and treated the EXACT SAME WAY by the Gallente, and petty attempts to make the Caldari look 'evil' will only sway the foolish.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Decius Julius
Caldari APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.11.09 00:14:00 -
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Alliances form, break up and reform - this is the way of things.
It is unfortunate that the Directive has to go through the defection of the dominant alliance member during a time of war, and only the most blatant apologist would deny that the struggle against Star Fraction has been the catalyst for this turn of events.
As a member of a corporation that left the alliance well before any hint of the SF conflict I am perhaps on shaky ground to lecture on the manner in which CAIN's withdrawl has been managed. But there was an unfortunate tone within the declaration which conveyed a lack of respect to CAIN's former allies. As I said before, CAIN were the dominant partner in the Directive, and to put the blame of any indecision or bureaucratic inertia at the feet of much smaller members is a form of self-indulgence that only gives heart to our common enemies.
This is especially sad to see since I have served in operations across a number of wars with CAIN pilots, and to a man/woman they are professional, dedicated pilots, who know when and how to fight. I have the utmost respect for the CAIN members I have had the privilege to work with, and I hope fervently that future opportunities for co-operation will be possible.
As a final note, while the weakening of any ties between loyalist organisations is a minor blow to Caldari unity, no-one should assume that the State is in imminent danger from the anarchists and pirates that seek to destabilise the Mito region. Corporations like CAIN, APEX, TKI and GBT strengthen the State by being quasi-independent political entities which do not require military protection. If we act as the foil against which the Star Fraction which to expend their frustrations, and trade and commerce is still able to flourish within the 'warzone', then we have done our job. |
Bosie
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.09 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar ...seemed to me that we refused to kowtow to you just because you were the biggest...
KAIN's collective dummy out the pram again because they don't get thier own way, in the words of another Caldari warrior:
Originally by: Strikeclone DTja vu
Bosie.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.09 02:20:00 -
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Speculation over:
2006.11.09 01:37 Caldari Independent Navy Reserve has declared war on The Star Fraction. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve will now rejoin the war at their expense alongside their Amarri allies.
This campaign is far from over.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Selim
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.09 02:34:00 -
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Perhaps they'll actually fight now that they are footing the bill.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.09 05:52:00 -
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Wait...they're both paying for the war and paying for the loot they drop when we kill them?
SWEET! -Wrayeth
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