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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
159
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Posted - 2015.05.04 05:48:48 -
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Keep seeing these stuff posted on eve raleted news services. And wonder if it's still worth of public attention?
One group lost super to another due to stupidity or perfect trap, so what? Dozen of Freighters and JF's are poping daily not a single word about it.
Or is that just a value factor? |
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.05.04 05:52:30 -
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value factor, the "effort" needed to kill a super, and the fact that the NS power blocks need to feel like they have super special toys to justify the ISK/cash spent on keeping a toon just to sit in a thing that almost never sees actual use. |
Falken Falcon
31723
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:00:45 -
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Kashadin wrote:A thing that almost never sees actual use. And where do you base this clam, sir
Aye, Sea Turtles
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31365
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:07:44 -
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Features that were written into killboards back when it was cool, continues to operate. Not quite pass+¬ enough to remove.
Help, I can't download EVE
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Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:11:24 -
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Falken Falcon wrote:Kashadin wrote:A thing that almost never sees actual use. And where do you base this clam, sir
Anecdotal and hearsay almost excursively I have to admit. But you rarely hear about a super/titan going down unless it is either is moving POSes or being sold since from what I understand most NS groups would have a fit if a super/titan pilot used the ship for anything other than specific joint ops or bridges (in the case of the titan) |
Falken Falcon
31726
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:16:51 -
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Kashadin wrote:Falken Falcon wrote:Kashadin wrote:A thing that almost never sees actual use. And where do you base this clam, sir Anecdotal and hearsay almost excursively I have to admit. But you rarely hear about a super/titan going down unless it is either is moving POSes or being sold since from what I understand most NS groups would have a fit if a super/titan pilot used the ship for anything other than specific joint ops or bridges (in the case of the titan) Correct, becase solo super carriers and titans are massive loot and km pinjatas that can be surprisingly easily killed (Darwinism). That is why they usually go in packs and if you do the smart thing and have a support fleet with it/them, they do lots of damage to enemies and their assets.
Aye, Sea Turtles
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
415
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:17:20 -
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First, I generally live in Highsec, so I'm a carebear.. most of the time anyway.
But with that said, the effort and cordination to kill a Freighter in Highsec is slightly above being able to button your own shirt. You sit at a bottleneck and Wait, then press F1 with a dozen other people who can also button their *****. It's really nothing special, unless the person flying the Freighter is another level of stupid, then you see an ALOD about a freighter worth more than many large Null battles :p
Killing a Super is a whole other thing. *most* are in Corps and Alliances, they don't just fly around randomly, and they often have support. Catching one when he/she doesn't takes skill, and often a lot of time. Killing one when he does, takes manpower and coordination.
That's not to say all Super kills are that special, and that all Freighter ganks are lame, but generally speaking, there's whole other levels of skill between the two.
Also, Supers, while not as rare as CCP would like, are a hell of a lot more rare than people flying untanked freighters though Highsec bottlenecks. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
161
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:50:22 -
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Well apart from #rekkingcrew and similar groups there still enough cases - "did he say jump"? And right after a waterfall of rage coming in - "jump and bridge are two different word u stupid more on..."
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
162
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Posted - 2015.05.05 21:42:54 -
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Impressive, 9 sc's killed for the last 5 days. It's like two ships per day. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
155
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:21:44 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Keep seeing these stuff posted on eve raleted news services. And wonder if it's still worth of public attention?
One group lost super to another due to stupidity or perfect trap, so what? Dozen of Freighters and JF's are poping daily not a single word about it.
Or is that just a value factor?
I'm surprised it's not clear... They are extremely expensive, and take effort to kill (you have to trap it before killing it basically). |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1477
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Posted - 2015.05.06 02:11:52 -
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What I find interesting is the announcements for Fuzzy SOV and then the mass burning of Supers. It is almost as though they are being used up before they are useless, with wild abandon.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
155
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Posted - 2015.05.06 02:19:22 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:What I find interesting is the announcements for Fuzzy SOV and then the mass burning of Supers. It is almost as though they are being used up before they are useless, with wild abandon.
Pretty much, very sad... |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
162
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Posted - 2015.05.06 02:38:30 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Keep seeing these stuff posted on eve raleted news services. And wonder if it's still worth of public attention?
One group lost super to another due to stupidity or perfect trap, so what? Dozen of Freighters and JF's are poping daily not a single word about it.
Or is that just a value factor? I'm surprised it's not clear... They are extremely expensive, and take effort to kill (you have to trap it before killing it basically).
20-30b for motherships is not extreme.
Titans, i'd say yes. But can't see much of AT ships lost. These are extreme expensive and even more useless. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
805
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:43:56 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:What I find interesting is the announcements for Fuzzy SOV and then the mass burning of Supers. It is almost as though they are being used up before they are useless, with wild abandon. Don't get me started on how idiotic it is that they're doing sov before supercapital rebalance, instead of, you know, doing them at the same time. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
531
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Posted - 2015.05.06 04:46:26 -
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DEATH TO ALL CAPITALS
// Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept
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Cruisers Online - [Damage done in PvP by Shiptype]
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Zuria Rakel
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
9
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Posted - 2015.05.06 06:31:24 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:What I find interesting is the announcements for Fuzzy SOV and then the mass burning of Supers. It is almost as though they are being used up before they are useless, with wild abandon.
It's not this. Several of the dead supers (most?) are members of groups like Nulli that are in the midst of getting hazed out of their Sov. Lots of groups right now are in the middle of moving or being forcibly evicted, that puts every super they own in pretty extreme danger. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
162
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Posted - 2015.05.06 06:38:08 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:DEATH TO ALL CAPITALS
Dreads & Carriers are fine. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
162
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Posted - 2015.05.06 06:40:33 -
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Zuria Rakel wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:What I find interesting is the announcements for Fuzzy SOV and then the mass burning of Supers. It is almost as though they are being used up before they are useless, with wild abandon. It's not this. Several of the dead supers (most?) are members of groups like Nulli that are in the midst of getting hazed out of their Sov. Lots of groups right now are in the middle of moving or being forcibly evicted, that puts every super they own in pretty extreme danger.
And you guys especially #rekkingcrew actively using this to hunt them down. |
Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2015.05.06 08:57:50 -
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When the economy collapsed (thanks George) we had a spate of yacht fires just out of reach of the fire department's fire boats. It was sad really. Have a huge party. Ferry everyone back in powerboats. Someone happens to knock over a candle on that linen tablecloth - poof! "Guess we'll have to call the insurance agent!"
Rich people can be so naughty.
I survived Win95
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Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
23778
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Posted - 2015.05.06 10:21:06 -
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Yeah it's mostly superficial bullcrap that only affects a tiny minority of people ... ... yet it's being blown up in news, because of all the loud, small minds who only look at ISK.
Most do not actually care, because it doesn't affect them.
S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD
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Yossarian Toralen
M and M Enterpises
28
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Posted - 2015.05.06 12:02:31 -
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Reading EVE related news and reading articles about big alliances shooting or losing big ships, it's to be expected I thought. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1479
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Posted - 2015.05.06 12:12:35 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Yeah it's mostly superficial bullcrap that only affects a tiny minority of people ... ... yet it's being blown up in news, because of all the loud, small minds who only look at ISK.
Most do not actually care, because it doesn't affect them. For many, it is their dream to be in a Titan during a huge fleet fight, doomsdaying ships away, some day.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
33880
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Posted - 2015.05.06 14:56:29 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:When the economy collapsed (thanks George) we had a spate of yacht fires just out of reach of the fire department's fire boats. It was sad really. Have a huge party. Ferry everyone back in powerboats. Someone happens to knock over a candle on that linen tablecloth - poof! "Guess we'll have to call the insurance agent!" Rich people can be so naughty.
If you need to insurance fraud your yacht you're not rich.
Why do bad threads happen to good people?
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2015.05.06 17:35:55 -
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Kashadin wrote:Falken Falcon wrote:Kashadin wrote:A thing that almost never sees actual use. And where do you base this clam, sir Anecdotal and hearsay almost excursively I have to admit. But you rarely hear about a super/titan going down unless it is either is moving POSes or being sold since from what I understand most NS groups would have a fit if a super/titan pilot used the ship for anything other than specific joint ops or bridges (in the case of the titan)
My anecdotal personal experience suggests otherwise - less than 24 hours ago, for example, Goons dropped three Titans and four supers (along with a couple dreads, a couple carriers, and various subcaps) on an innocent group of noob-corp players. (That's a joke - the noob corp players were neither innocent nor noobs.) And a day before that, Goons dropped an Aeon on that same group of noob copr players in an attempt to save some BLOPS that were in trouble. I have no idea what sort of accountability the Goon Titan/super pilots have to the greater CFC, what sort of approval such an engagement might have required, or what their judgment was regarding the level of risk to their Titans and supers - but they DO get used. (At least in the elite-PvP lands of Syndicate - I have no experience with the carebear lands of sov null. Wink wink.) Alas, all the noob corp players were able to take down was a couple carriers and a dread. No super kills.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8495
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Posted - 2015.05.06 18:00:42 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Keep seeing these stuff posted on eve raleted news services. And wonder if it's still worth of public attention?
It was worth some attention when the loss of a Mothership constituted a quarter of the supers in the entire game.
These days the loss of one means the fleet goes down by less than one tenth of one percent. Not the least bit noteworthy. When something is rare that's one thing, but capitals are as common as dirt these days. So one exploding is pretty much not worth the time it takes to write the battle report.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2015.05.06 18:44:27 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Otso Bakarti wrote:When the economy collapsed (thanks George) we had a spate of yacht fires just out of reach of the fire department's fire boats. It was sad really. Have a huge party. Ferry everyone back in powerboats. Someone happens to knock over a candle on that linen tablecloth - poof! "Guess we'll have to call the insurance agent!" Rich people can be so naughty. If you need to insurance fraud your yacht you're not rich. Bingo.
I survived Win95
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Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
171
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:44:53 -
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@OP, hi there, Let me first say that at anytime an article from one of the reputable news sites goes up, then take that article for what it's worth. As you know there's been a recent rise of losses from carriers up to the titans yes, and one reason being is because they cost billions of isk to get even just the hull alone.
throw in the fittings, rigs, subsystems then the cost goes up tremendously. Even the pilot may have some very expensive implants and those are accounted along with the over all cost for one ship.
As mentioned already some of these moves by solo pilots are inexcusable to the 10th degree plus. |
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:53:13 -
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Eli Stan wrote:Kashadin wrote:Falken Falcon wrote:Kashadin wrote:A thing that almost never sees actual use. And where do you base this clam, sir Anecdotal and hearsay almost excursively I have to admit. But you rarely hear about a super/titan going down unless it is either is moving POSes or being sold since from what I understand most NS groups would have a fit if a super/titan pilot used the ship for anything other than specific joint ops or bridges (in the case of the titan) My anecdotal personal experience suggests otherwise - less than 24 hours ago, for example, Goons dropped three Titans and four supers (along with a couple dreads, a couple carriers, and various subcaps) on an innocent group of noob-corp players. (That's a joke - the noob corp players were neither innocent nor noobs.) And a day before that, Goons dropped an Aeon on that same group of noob copr players in an attempt to save some BLOPS that were in trouble. I have no idea what sort of accountability the Goon Titan/super pilots have to the greater CFC, what sort of approval such an engagement might have required, or what their judgment was regarding the level of risk to their Titans and supers - but they DO get used. (At least in the elite-PvP lands of Syndicate - I have no experience with the carebear lands of sov null. Wink wink.) Alas, all the noob corp players were able to take down was a couple carriers and a dread. No super kills.
Honestly I have never even seen a titan in game, I was mostly talking from the experience of reading a lot of the reports and stuff that comes from them being blown up.
And I was mostly talking about how you will never see a titan out of a POS unless the alliance is in on the event, and I would say that saving a BLOPS fleet or blobbing some guys with a carrier/dread fleet on the side of the Titan would probably mean that someone with some sort of authority authorized the titan to go in lol. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
250
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Posted - 2015.06.22 13:23:39 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:@OP, hi there, Let me first say that at anytime an article from one of the reputable news sites goes up, then take that article for what it's worth. As you know there's been a recent rise of losses from carriers up to the titans yes, and one reason being is because they cost billions of isk to get even just the hull alone.
throw in the fittings, rigs, subsystems then the cost goes up tremendously. Even the pilot may have some very expensive implants and those are accounted along with the over all cost for one ship.
As mentioned already some of these moves by solo pilots are inexcusable to the 10th degree plus.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
250
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Posted - 2015.06.22 13:26:27 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:@OP, hi there, Let me first say that at anytime an article from one of the reputable news sites goes up, then take that article for what it's worth. As you know there's been a recent rise of losses from carriers up to the titans yes, and one reason being is because they cost billions of isk to get even just the hull alone.
throw in the fittings, rigs, subsystems then the cost goes up tremendously. Even the pilot may have some very expensive implants and those are accounted along with the over all cost for one ship.
As mentioned already some of these moves by solo pilots are inexcusable to the 10th degree plus.
Yes but pod loss is not included into the ship's lost. And not sure about subssytems you've mentioned.
How about JFs those are expensive as well and we saw them pop on a daily bases but it's not that popular as a supers. |
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