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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:13:10 -
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I think that Jove disease may not be genetic per se at all, but purely psychological, caused by the eventual boredom and realization of the utter pointlessness of all existence. To put it in simpler terms, they get bored to death. Literally. But first they go crazy. Capsuleers never get this because they are always doing things. Shooting each other, selling and buying, trying to accumulate wealth and power etc. It keeps our minds occupied. Everything is an adventure. The Jove learned and did so much that nothing holds their interest anymore. Suggested experiment to test this would be to take a Jove who has the illness and wipe their memories. However finding a volunteer would be problematic to say the least. If only we could transmit this idea to the Jove themselves... |
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum
31
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:18:11 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:If only we could transmit this idea to the Jove themselves...
You just did. |
Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma Stain Confederation
18
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:23:59 -
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Feu dAstres wrote:Kerena Alabel wrote:If only we could transmit this idea to the Jove themselves... You just did.
I hope that they then test this idea. I am...oddly concerned with their well being as of late. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
534
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:24:16 -
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Fun theory, dear. I hear The Scope are hiring fiction writers.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4777
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:25:56 -
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Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.
I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma Stain Confederation
18
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:28:11 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.
I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity?
If this were the case introduction of more diverse genetics would have cured this easily. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4777
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:35:46 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.
I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity? If this were the case introduction of more diverse genetics would have cured this easily.
I wouldn't say 'easily' they may have bred entire gene lines out of their gene pool and bred compatibility with the vanished lines out of their genome. They could, quite easily, have painted themselves into a corner, genetically. In addition they may have had social or cultural reasons for not increasing their genetic diversity - in the same way that a State citizen might not be comfortable with increasing his genetic diversity by breeding with, say, Ni-Kunni or Vherokior partners.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
36
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:07:19 -
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If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma Stain Confederation
19
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:11:09 -
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Markus Error wrote:If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.
Exactly, surely they kept records? As astute as they are in sciences record keeping of the Jove must be meticulous. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4779
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:14:35 -
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Markus Error wrote:If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.
It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race. Probably be much harder, socially, to justify letting your current race die out and give all their stuff to a genetically incompatible race of created clones based on an earlier version of your genome.
Just saying.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma Stain Confederation
19
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:18:20 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Markus Error wrote:If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate. It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race. Probably be much harder, socially, to justify letting your current race die out and give all their stuff to a genetically incompatible race of created clones based on an earlier version of your genome. Just saying.
It would be even more unjustifiable to allow your race to die and your work become the eventual property of capsuleers, or worse...drifters. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4779
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:32:08 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Markus Error wrote:If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate. It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race. Probably be much harder, socially, to justify letting your current race die out and give all their stuff to a genetically incompatible race of created clones based on an earlier version of your genome. Just saying. It would be even more unjustifiable to allow your race to die and your work become the eventual property of capsuleers, or worse...drifters.
The Jovians are still humans and, in my experience, it is very unusual for people to agree on a very poor solution simply because it is better than arguing about finding one that is actually good.
Both decisions, in this case, end in the slow death of the Jovian people. Do you really think they care one way or the other who gets their stuff afterwards? They may have decided it's best if it's anyone but Nation, for all we know. The Drifters could be cousins to the Jove.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
943
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:53:55 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:Markus Error wrote:If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate. Exactly, surely they kept records? As astute as they are in sciences record keeping of the Jove must be meticulous. The Directorate is supposedly the Third Jove Empire from the little information I could find about them, and old structures and equipment puts the highest concentration somewhere around the Angel constellation.
There's nothing to say the genetic harm wasn't done by one of the earlier dynasties and then information on it lost during the upheaval caused by their collapse, possibly much of their research and equipment was left behind. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
502
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Posted - 2015.05.05 19:02:40 -
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The immortals of any kind tend to get bored to death, yes. But I don't think that it's the case here.
It looks more like a case of something something 5-HT receptors something.
Basically, while trying to get rid of natural aggression and other pesky human emotions during the second empire, they'd managed to break their serotonin capture system at genetic level. For example, if Jovian disease manifests, say, in 25% subjects at 30+ years biological age, the first cases on test subjects might have seemed irrelevant enough to them to proceed and disseminate the mod to an entire generation, and - bang! - a generation later those test tube children suddenly get ~LIFEISABLACKHELLIWANTTOLAYDOWNANDDIEHELPME~ because their 5-HT system shut down.
Something like that, probably
Maybe |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
958
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Posted - 2015.05.05 19:28:12 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.
I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity?
More exactly culling off and splicing out all genes implied in any hostile behaviour. In any case, the Jove blaimed too much tampering with their genetic code. |
Merdaneth
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
360
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Posted - 2015.05.05 21:34:09 -
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Of course the Jovian disease is psychological in nature. In their folly, the Jove sought to become immortal, and they though that they could achieve this by extending the lifespan of their bodies indefinitely. What they failed to realize is that what was truly immortal was their soul. At some point our immortal souls want to return to their Creator. When that time draws near even the physically immortal feel themselves starting to become listless and melancholic. God is calling them to come home to their Father.
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
3567
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Posted - 2015.05.06 01:08:44 -
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I will be frank with you. It was a papercut. One of us was tasked with refilling the empty tray for the printer in our Office, and lo and behold. The very end of our race.
PC Load Letter, the readout informed our kind. These were the cruel words of our doom.
Call me Joe.
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Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
196
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Posted - 2015.05.06 09:18:56 -
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Evolution rarely occurs without mutation. Cloning rarely causes mutation.
Stagnation leads to destruction.
We Return.
Unit XS365BT.
Designated Communications Officer.
Unit Commune.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1130
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Posted - 2015.05.06 11:17:55 -
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Merdaneth wrote:Of course the Jovian disease is psychological in nature. In their folly, the Jove sought to become immortal, and they though that they could achieve this by extending the lifespan of their bodies indefinitely. What they failed to realize is that what was truly immortal was their soul. At some point our immortal souls want to return to their Creator. When that time draws near even the physically immortal feel themselves starting to become listless and melancholic. God is calling them to come home to their Father.
Or (more likely) they simply go nuts from living too long and/or suffer irreversible genetic degradation due to inbreeding/buggering about with stuff best left unbuggered with. |
Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
840
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Posted - 2015.05.06 17:56:19 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race.
Yes, it would, wouldn't it?
"For you, children, on your fifth birthday. May your next five years be as full of promise and hope, and may you one day walk with us as equals among the stars." Idmei Sver, Society of Conscious Thought, on the fifth anniversary of the Capsuleer Era. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
671
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Posted - 2015.05.06 18:24:42 -
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Vikarion wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race. Yes, it would, wouldn't it?"For you, children, on your fifth birthday. May your next five years be as full of promise and hope, and may you one day walk with us as equals among the stars."Idmei Sver, Society of Conscious Thought, on the fifth anniversary of the Capsuleer Era. ... yeah ...
Not sure what to make of Jovian child-rearing strategies, though. |
Farlas Ibana
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.05.06 19:57:13 -
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Ive said it before, and i will no doubt say it again :
more often than not, in any infected community, some individuals with a natural immunity to any given disease will exist. This often manifests itself in one of two ways -
1) Some individuals simply do not catch a given pathogen due to immune system response, or a genetic predilection to negate the effect of the pathogen.
2) Some individuals carry the disease without ever showing or developing symptoms, or not succumbing to the full effect of a pathogen that is fatal to other individuals.
What has happened to any Jove that were carriers without showing the signs of the disease? Were the cast out to DRIFT among the stars. . . . . .?? |
Silvox Lunae
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2015.05.06 20:10:15 -
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Farlas Ibana wrote:Ive said it before, and i will no doubt say it again :
more often than not, in any infected community, some individuals with a natural immunity to any given disease will exist. This often manifests itself in one of two ways -
1) Some individuals simply do not catch a given pathogen due to immune system response, or a genetic predilection to negate the effect of the pathogen.
2) Some individuals carry the disease without ever showing or developing symptoms, or not succumbing to the full effect of a pathogen that is fatal to other individuals.
What has happened to any Jove that were carriers without showing the signs of the disease? Were the cast out to DRIFT among the stars. . . . . .??
Without voluntary communication of health records by the Jove, and comprehensive samples from both infected and supposed non-infected parties, this will only ever be speculation. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8050
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:30:37 -
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I have recently obtained Jove olfactory neurons through nasal biopsy combined with laser-capture microdissection to evaluate cause of disorder known as Jovian Disease. The conclusion after evaluation suggest genetic ilness.
If you would want to know who was the donor, look at this picture.
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The Golden Serpent
Kokutai
31
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Posted - 2015.05.10 07:55:26 -
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Only God provides solace, being a capsuleer alone in the dark is horrible. |
Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
0
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Posted - 2015.05.10 08:19:46 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote:Only God provides solace, being a capsuleer alone in the dark is horrible. Speak for yourself, I quite like it given how drab heaven sounds. As to the topic at hand, I have found something curious about the jove diesease. The jove are obviously very scientifically advanced and well versed in scientific concepts, so then why would they fail at something so conceptually basic as rigorous testing given what was at stake? |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1143
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Posted - 2015.05.10 09:00:34 -
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Kirk Ernaga wrote:The Golden Serpent wrote:Only God provides solace, being a capsuleer alone in the dark is horrible. Speak for yourself, I quite like it given how drab heaven sounds. As to the topic at hand, I have found something curious about the jove diesease. The jove are obviously very scientifically advanced and well versed in scientific concepts, so then why would they fail at something so conceptually basic as rigorous testing given what was at stake?
Because the best test system in the universe can never be exactly the same as the real thing. There is always scope for unexpected results. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8135
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Posted - 2015.05.10 09:03:07 -
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Kirk Ernaga wrote:The Golden Serpent wrote:Only God provides solace, being a capsuleer alone in the dark is horrible. Speak for yourself, I quite like it given how drab heaven sounds. As to the topic at hand, I have found something curious about the jove diesease. The jove are obviously very scientifically advanced and well versed in scientific concepts, so then why would they fail at something so conceptually basic as rigorous testing given what was at stake?
The way Jove were trying to find the cure and treat themselves suggest species chauvinism, that is why they are failing, the cause are themseleves, but they were trying to stay themselves, its not scientific, its cultural issue.
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Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
0
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:32:05 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Kirk Ernaga wrote:The Golden Serpent wrote:Only God provides solace, being a capsuleer alone in the dark is horrible. Speak for yourself, I quite like it given how drab heaven sounds. As to the topic at hand, I have found something curious about the jove diesease. The jove are obviously very scientifically advanced and well versed in scientific concepts, so then why would they fail at something so conceptually basic as rigorous testing given what was at stake? Because the best test system in the universe can never be exactly the same as the real thing. There is always scope for unexpected results. Of course that is still a big, really big **** up. It reminds me of the kind of **** ups that happen when vaccines are rushed in development. |
Radical Divinity
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
4
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Posted - 2015.05.11 01:07:11 -
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Perhaps the methodology of reverse engineering their own gene pool is rife with difficulty and dangers. It might be said that they have seen the writing on the wall and if the Entosis documentations are any proof, then I would propose they are more concerned with preparing the younger civilizations for life without the Jovian presence. Indeed, when the Jove have gone there will be left a vast technological horde of artifacts that we may or may not be ready for. Look toward Sansha's Nation and CONCORD for the inherent dangers of technology falling into the hands of children.
A civilization prospers not only by the continuation of its people but of the ideology, memories and influence it possesses. The Four Empires, nudged by Jovian influence, seems to have been given something of their legacy. An inheritance, you might say. Foreign cultures which come in contact with one another inevitably influence the other. A look at our own current empires expresses this truth. Yet, with our lack of understanding of Jovian culture, as well as the individual Jove themselves, we could easily place the Entosis documents into alight that reads of manipulation on a cluster scale. They could have easily dominated our burgeoning civilizations before any even thought to reach the stars. Instead, they offered us tools that would challenge the status quo of each major power. They nudged in such a way that allowed agencies within each empire to make their own decisions.
Are the Empires the cure for the Jovian Disease? The individual Jove is not as important as the knowledge and ideals they possess. Maybe they simply felt it to be folly to once more exhaust themselves in the folding of proteins and engineering of the gene and found catharsis in their remote patronage. They have become the living embodiment of a cautionary moral tale of the dangers of technology. |
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