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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:21:00 -
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I was wondering; if you have a lot of drone skills isn't the thorax better then? The Vexor only gives 50% more drone hp and damage. But if you have drone interfacing lvld that alone gives 100% more damage. So vexor has +150% damage with drones, and the thorax 100%.....
but the thorax also has more pwrgrid and is thus able to fit more/better blasters....
or is the vexor 50% bonus applied after the 100% from drone interfacing V?
Regards,
Ghyros.
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Talon Calais
Gallente Nubs. Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:31:00 -
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Nos Jammers Tank
Apparently you've never seen T2 Hammerheads or Valks rip through a Gallente ship before.
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 07/11/2006 16:32:42 IMO the bonus works just like all the others, multiplicative that is. So in thorax with DI5 you'll get 2x damage drones, while in vexor they'll be 2*1.5=3x :)
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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Calais Nos Jammers Tank
Apparently you've never seen T2 Hammerheads or Valks rip through a Gallente ship before.
Nope I haven't... which is why I'm asking.
Ok, point well seen... I'll give it a go
Thanks for the help,
Ghyros
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Kogame Tomika
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:38:00 -
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In addition, the Vexor has a larger drone bay, so you can carry 5 Hammerhead IIs and 5 Hobgoblin IIs, and be a bit more versatile.
You are probably right though, if you have good gunnery skills (or better gunnery than drones anyway) the Thorax is probably the way to go. If you're like me though and have almost no gunnery skills, and over 800K in drones (yeah, I know, still a newb) then that Vexor is the ship to fly.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Ghyros I was wondering; if you have a lot of drone skills isn't the thorax better then? The Vexor only gives 50% more drone hp and damage. But if you have drone interfacing lvld that alone gives 100% more damage. So vexor has +150% damage with drones, and the thorax 100%.....
but the thorax also has more pwrgrid and is thus able to fit more/better blasters....
or is the vexor 50% bonus applied after the 100% from drone interfacing V?
Regards,
Ghyros.
Hammerhead II on Vexor. 1.92x2(drone iterfacing 5)x1.5=5.76 dam modifier for 12 points of damage Thermal. 5.76x5=28.8 DPS: [28.8x12]/2=172.8 / s I didn't take into account Gallente Drone Specialization, that gives 2% to damage per level or Combat Drone Operation - 5% to damage per level. And thats just from the drones. Couple this with the new HP buff, and the new importance in cap and you will see that the normal Vexor - nos with EW and big tank, will just thrive. --------------------------------------------------
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:50:00 -
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I've never lost to a Thorax in my Vexor. Dual-rep cap boosted Vexor ftw.
If you know you're fighting a cruiser, use 2 heavy drones, 2 medium, and 1 light. Best damage output.
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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.07 16:53:00 -
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Thanks for the information all, was a big eye opener. I'll go for the Vexor then, since I have invested in drones.
See you all out there,
Ghyros
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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.07 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Ghyros on 07/11/2006 18:37:50
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: Lord Ghyros I was wondering; if you have a lot of drone skills isn't the thorax better then? The Vexor only gives 50% more drone hp and damage. But if you have drone interfacing lvld that alone gives 100% more damage. So vexor has +150% damage with drones, and the thorax 100%.....
but the thorax also has more pwrgrid and is thus able to fit more/better blasters....
or is the vexor 50% bonus applied after the 100% from drone interfacing V?
Regards,
Ghyros.
Hammerhead II on Vexor. 1.92x2(drone iterfacing 5)x1.5=5.76 dam modifier for 12 points of damage Thermal. 5.76x5=28.8 DPS: [28.8x12]/2=172.8 / s I didn't take into account Gallente Drone Specialization, that gives 2% to damage per level or Combat Drone Operation - 5% to damage per level. And thats just from the drones. Couple this with the new HP buff, and the new importance in cap and you will see that the normal Vexor - nos with EW and big tank, will just thrive.
Sorry.... but like I said, I'm not that experienced yet....; EW means? Probably Electronic Warfare... but how do you fit that, you have 3 med slots, so its prolly full.
Ghyros
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aimez
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Posted - 2006.11.07 18:46:00 -
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midslots on a vexor would be
1x 10mn microwarpdrive or 1x 10mn afterburner 1x warp disrupter (20 km 1 point) 1x ECM - multispectral jammar (or a racial jammer if you know your target beforehand)
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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.07 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: aimez midslots on a vexor would be
1x 10mn microwarpdrive or 1x 10mn afterburner 1x warp disrupter (20 km 1 point) 1x ECM - multispectral jammar (or a racial jammer if you know your target beforehand)
So a webber is not needed?
Ghyros
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goodby4u
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Posted - 2006.11.07 18:49:00 -
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A vexor is better at using drones because it has 50% more damage through its drones therefore it can pretty much rely on its drones for damage and highs for nos to tank and maybe a gun or two.
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OldPueblo
Gallente Defenders of Order
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Posted - 2006.11.07 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: OldPueblo on 07/11/2006 19:48:18 If you're going for fastest possible gank (with a low tank), then maybe the Thorax is the best ship. However the vexor is much more versatile and can probably outlast a thorax since you can devote all cpu/pg to tanking and just rely on drones for damage and still take people down. Do a lot of searching on thorax and vexor, and you'll find that this topic comes up a lot and there are already lots of posts with great info.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Ghyros
So a webber is not needed? and would a tracking disruptor work instead of the Multispectral jammer?
Use a webber if using medium blasters, but if you just throw a few small blasters on it's not worth it. Keep 5x WarriorIIs in the bay to keep up with the small ships. The AB is usually sufficient enough to keep up with other cruisers. If not, the drones still pack quite a punch.
Try this on for size...
4x light neutron IIs, med nos 10mn ABII, 20k scram, med cap booster 2x med repIIs, armor expl hardenerII, damage control
I go into structure plenty with that setup, but the DC and dual reps save my life every time (well, except once vs. a Brutix ... couldn't tank that much DPS)
Of course the standard 1600mm plate vexor does pretty well too.
4x light neutrons or 150s, nos ab, scram, web 1600 plate, expl hardener, dc, eanm throw a rep in the trunk for when the battle's over I like to use rails and keep distance with this setup.
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OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.11.07 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kaileen Starsong Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 07/11/2006 16:32:42 IMO the bonus works just like all the others, multiplicative that is. So in thorax with DI5 you'll get 2x damage drones, while in vexor they'll be 2*1.5=3x :)
Correct.
The tank on a Vexor is a little weak IMO so a Gankrax with very good drone skills would probably win out anyway.
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IlIlIIlIlIlIlIIllIIllIlI
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Posted - 2006.11.07 21:04:00 -
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Vexor for Nos + Sustained tanking Thorax for a 5x Neutrons/3x Damage mods/5x Medium ECM Vespa gankfest
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Mai Lung
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Posted - 2006.11.07 21:20:00 -
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Thorax is the better ship imho if you have some skills and know how to fit it. Never lost a Thorax in PvP and won all duells against cruiser so far - and no - i¦m not talking about 1 month old noobs :P
The closest fight was against a vexor with 3 or 4 med NOS, small blasters, t2 drones, 1600mm plates and med t2 repper. He got me to <10% armor and burned all my cap boosters.
Beside that the thorax just looks **** sexy :D
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.07 21:22:00 -
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if I was flying a thorax I might run from a vexor, if I was flying a vexor I would never run from a thorax..... blasters dont do alot of dmg when they have no cap
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Jazz Bo
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.07 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mai Lung
The closest fight was against a vexor with 3 or 4 med NOS, small blasters, t2 drones, 1600mm plates and med t2 repper. He got me to <10% armor and burned all my cap boosters.
Beside that the thorax just looks **** sexy :D
*cough*
Vexor can barely fit one 1600mm plate + Med rep, and you're out of grid. What you're describing would take more than twice the grid it actually has. And you said 1600mm plateS?
Two Med Nos, MWD, 800mm plate and small rep fits, that's about it.
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Lord Ghyros
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:02:00 -
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haha... this is turning in a nice discussion.. thats good, gives me more information that way.
Keep it comin'
Ghyros
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:58:00 -
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How about some pros/cons?
Thorax: +Good damage +Good tank +Speedy -Needs mwd to get close -Susceptible to 20k orbiters -Nos=death (in gang, drop the scram for a cap booster and it's all good though)
Vexor: +Versatile > set up for blasters OR orbit at 20k with rails +WarriorIIs make short work of inties +With drones doing the damage, high slots are free for NOS -Can't tank & gank at the same time -Drones can get popped -Not as much dps as a Thorax with a practical setup
IMO, Vexor is better for solo pvp, Thorax for gang support.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:37:00 -
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Could you use a thorax as a drone boat though? Toss the bonuses, use a 1 DCU 2 EAN II dual rep tank with an AB webber and scram. nossies in highs. just seems like the extra slots and PG you could fit a sick tak on the thorax and slowely kill the vexor.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.08 02:31:00 -
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Thorax w/ T2 blasters and ECM drones + 800 Charges + Close Range Fight.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.11.08 03:30:00 -
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vexor if you are a noob, thorax if you have some sp to back you up
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slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 08/11/2006 07:10:16 equally skilled pilots vexor would win everytime, especially after kali.
thorax / blasters are heavily cap reliant all the vexor has to do is fit oversized plate tank (passive armour plateswould help) with web and scramand small nos / guns. as long as the vexor could tank the damage untilthorax cap runs out it wins everytime.
and if the vexor pilot had any sense / skill he would either- 1. keep a blaster pilot at max distance - 9 km or so so it couldnt hurt much. 2. get close to a rail rax. 3. kill raxs drones first.
either way rax dies.
rax should get pg boost like deimos imho.
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