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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:05:00 -
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Okay, we all see pg bonus. What is your opinion? Can she be trusted? She is better...Thats for sure..but will it be enough?
Regards Akiman
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Jongo Fett
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:08:00 -
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can barely fit 5 ions med nos mwd mar2 infact u cant fit it. even with the PG boost when i tried it on the test server.
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Akiman
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:15:00 -
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So what kind of boost is this?...n agility bonus lowest pg bonus...nobody asked for munnin to get a pg boost (at least not for almost 40 pages) and she gets 1100 pg she get 950 pg... whats the LOGİC in this?!?
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:40:00 -
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Still crap.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:50:00 -
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and still overpriced...
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Tennotsukai
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.08 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar Still crap.
QFT
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:11:00 -
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buy a megathron.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:38:00 -
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Not even worth thinking about... If anything its gonna be WORSE after kali hits. From what I've seen on the test server, it sorely loses out where hitpoints are concerned (~4000 HP with an Ion II setup, and I have most of an HG Slave set on Sisi).
Its damage also doesnt make up for the fact it's almost 3 times as weak as some of the other hacs. It didnt get the agility or speed bonus, so it's still slow as crap, even more so if you compare it to the new Tier 2 battlecruisers.
Finally, since it can't be injected effectively (3 mids - you either drop web or scram, or lose 150dps by dropping the web, fitting the injector and using webber drones), and from what I've seen, Nos / Injectors are even more important now with the HP boost.
I dont know why CCP has done what it's done, but it's made the deimos in particular totally defunct. The brutix performs much better, does nearly the same damage and tanks obscenely by comparison.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ Not even worth thinking about... If anything its gonna be WORSE after kali hits. From what I've seen on the test server, it sorely loses out where hitpoints are concerned (~4000 HP with an Ion II setup, and I have most of an HG Slave set on Sisi).
Its damage also doesnt make up for the fact it's almost 3 times as weak as some of the other hacs. It didnt get the agility or speed bonus, so it's still slow as crap, even more so if you compare it to the new Tier 2 battlecruisers.
Finally, since it can't be injected effectively (3 mids - you either drop web or scram, or lose 150dps by dropping the web, fitting the injector and using webber drones), and from what I've seen, Nos / Injectors are even more important now with the HP boost.
I dont know why CCP has done what it's done, but it's made the deimos in particular totally defunct. The brutix performs much better, does nearly the same damage and tanks obscenely by comparison.
i like your name
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Avoid
Gallente Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:50:00 -
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Almost the same, you might be able to fit bigger guns. but the nerf on t2 blaster ammo will put you back to were you was before patch.
So almost the same, just better optimal range for t1 ammo.
dont know if you can make a setup whit 200mm rails. and orbit at 12 km whit mwd, tracking disrupter and 20km disrupter.
imo its a crappy ship, cause annything big whit nos, pwns it. for 150m the ship cost, you can get a fully fitted blasterT. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes "Here was the brand of the cigerates i smoke"
I don't smoke - Cortes |
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.08 01:55:00 -
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Affordable.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
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Shinjuro
Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.08 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian Affordable.
Personally I lol'ed at that. Don't count on it my friend.
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Benglada
Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.08 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar Still crap.
That about sums it up.
Ishtar will be a lot more crappy due to ecm nerf as well. ---------------------------
Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
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slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.08 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 08/11/2006 04:53:34 Edited by: slothe on 08/11/2006 04:51:55 unfortunately i cant play eve atm.
if what people say is true i.e. pg increase not sufficient , agility not increased then frankly ccp can shove the changes up their ###.
The thorax used to rule. So people know - the thorax had deliberately gimped fitting (i.e. could only realistically fit electron blasters) due to the fact that it could carry 5 HEAVY drones in its bay. The thorax ruled and was the killer cruiser in the game, easily capable of killing battleships in the hands of a competent pilot.
Was this fair? Probably not. It probably was overpowered if i was to be honest about it.
Then with the introduction of the deimos CCCP saw the opportunity to nerf the thorax / deimos.
While the thorax was still able to carry 5 heavy drones the deimos was created with a slight PG increase but only able to carry 5 medium drones. Seemed OK BUT only because it had a double damage bonus.
At this point i tried the new deimos. Seemed good- but only because it was a new toy. After a while i reverted back to the thorax - WHY? _ because it was better than the deimos. The damage output was higher with the heavy drones. There was a paradoxical position whereby the thorax shell was BETTER than the t2 version. STUPID. I used to fight deimos in mu thorax and beat them fairly easily using the right tactics.
Inevitably the thorax was changed, the drone bay reduced but PG only boosted marginally.
The result? - Overnerf.
Both the thorax and deimos were rubbish. Shame as it was so good.
Look at the thorax in relation to other cruisers-
1. The thorax is the gallente gunboat. As a gunboat it cant fit decent guns (which defeats the whole frigging purpose of the ship) It cannot realistically fit neutron blasters without total gimpage. (note- other equivalant cruisers can fit high end guns, note - the megathron (bs equivalent of thorax) can fit a full rack of neutron blasters and reasonable tank - note - even second tier guns ion blasters cannot be fitted with a half decent tank).
2. The deimos suffers the same fitting constraints as the thorax. It cant fit decent guns. Again no neutrons without gimpage. Cant fit ions with a good tank. Electrons - can fit. but wtf its a blaster gunboat it should be able to fit higher end guns.
3. The agility sucks. I believe its as agile as the brutix (may be wrong). The brutix is getting an agility boost. Will the brutix end up being more agile than the deimos ? o.0 wtf. The deimos NEEDS an agility boost. i mean not preferable - essential. Just do it.
4. The deimos situation creates a perverse situation. I like blasters. I can fit on an eagle a setup whereby i have mwd 4 neutron blasters 2 heavy launchers 5.5k shield + booster. I mean wtf i can make a better blasterboat on an eagle. Anyone who says the deimos is a better blasterboat than an eagle is wrong i have flown both the eagle is better and more powerful even with double damage bonus. This CANNOT be right.
CCP read the above TAKE NOTE. NOW is the chance to sort out the deimos, please do it. ITS CRAP.
Im my view the deimos should -
1. Have agility boost.
2. Be able to fit -
a) full rack of neutrons with no tank. b) ion blasters + med nos + medium tank c) electrons + med nos + heavy tank
I believe this would only need a marginal pg increase on the new model + agility upgrade. Its not too much to ask , especially with the new bc's.
with the muninn changes i believe it can now fit a full rack of 720s with no pg upgrade - please do the same for the deimos.
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GO MaZ
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.08 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu i like your name
Why thankyou, I like your sig
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