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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
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Posted - 2015.05.07 23:53:26 -
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As to not derail the thread about the Empire and it's wranglings with Max Singularity, I started this.
So, what is it, in your view that allows one to be Matari?
As someone who has been making an attempt in good faith with connecting with the heritage of my blood, this is something that I think about a great deal now. I have done many things that have hurt my people, for a long time I didn't consider them my people even, but I always still wanted what is best for everyone even during that time.
I want to get to know the tribe of my blood, I want what is best for my friends, my family, my alliance, my tribe, and my people. I suppose I shouldn't care what others think, but since the discussion was already going on, lets have it. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1195
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:02:36 -
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-į1/2 oz (1 part) Dry vermouth, 3 oz (6 parts) Gin
Preparation:-įStraight: Pour all ingredients into mixing glass with ice cubes. Stir well. Strain in chilled martini cocktail glass. Squeeze oil from lemon peel onto the drink, or garnish with olive....... Oh, wait, you said Matari...... Nevermind.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
86
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:08:45 -
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Simple,
Genetic markers that match the markers that are commonly identified as Matari and/or citizenship within the Minmatar Republic.
Next?
And yes, always gin.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
43
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:19:20 -
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Gin, yes. Of course.
Otherwise, being accepted and/or born into a tribe.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:28:29 -
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My feelings are actually not that far removed from Mr Mokk's.
Beyond genetics or place of birth, you also need to accept your own heritage.
Acceptance by others, be it individuals or a tribe, has always felt secondary. I've been taught and live by the credence that you can indeed choose your family. No one can tell you whether or not you are Matari but yourself.
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
lo-++¦
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
95
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:36:52 -
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Only outsiders would claim Gin. A true Matari would punch them in the face and proclaim the virtues of either Vodka or Whiskey. (Note: do not make the wrong choice, the Vodka and Whiskey coalitions have a great enmity for each other.)
Being Minmatar by birth is the surest way. Kinship exists regardless of culture. Sometimes outsiders can become part of a Clan or Tribe, then they are Minmatar as well.
Pilot Valentina: even someone like you is my Kin. This does not mean you are forgiven for being an enemy of the Minmatar People. It simply means we're closer to you than the rest of our enemies. Maybe someday you will earn the forgiveness of your people. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
337
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:53:33 -
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A strong desire to better your clan or tribe. A deep desire to understand your ancestors and what lessons can be learned from your elders. If you are one, really just caring for your kin, their well being, their safety, ect. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
87
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Posted - 2015.05.08 01:01:37 -
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Vodka is for peasants.
And only a savage would mix a single malt whiskey with anything.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
43
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Posted - 2015.05.08 01:06:37 -
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@drinks, Gin is the stepping stone. Vodka and Whiskey are for those of a) stronger disposition and b) not those who are relied on to repair damaged ships. Drunk engineers, yay.
As for kin... I care for all Minmatar. But those who have turned their backs on us entirely... well, they can't simply be forgiven for anything.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Luther Renvolint
Order of Interests
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Posted - 2015.05.08 01:24:33 -
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Whiskey ... helps when tinkering ...
What allows one to be matari? Tribal Sponsorship.
As a Sebiestor, striving for unity between all Matari tribes, technological advancement and industrial expansion, including mining.
The time has come to cast aside our differences such that we, humanity's wayward brothers and sisters, may once again return home. - Vuld Haupt, The Paths of Our Ancestors
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
348
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Posted - 2015.05.08 01:35:12 -
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Markus Error wrote:@drinks, Gin is the stepping stone. Vodka and Whiskey are for those of a) stronger disposition and b) not those who are relied on to repair damaged ships. Drunk engineers, yay.
As for kin... I care for all Minmatar. But those who have turned their backs on us entirely... well, they can't simply be forgiven for anything. Give me straight shots of whiskey and I'm good.
As for those that turned their backs on us..... Forgiveness is possible, but a long road awaits your acceptance back into the fold.
And for what makes a Minmatar a Minmatar? Biologically: your DNA. Socially: acceptance by your Tribe, adherence to our laws, loyalty to your kin, and the ability to fashion an assortment of reliable weapons out of a box of spare parts helps too....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
338
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Posted - 2015.05.08 01:38:47 -
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If they turn their back on us they shouldn't be forgiven, if they turn back, well if they show their dedication to making up their misgivings, I'd think they should be looked at again. Obviously not in the same light for a long time. If they truly see the errors in their ways they'll press on... |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
349
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Posted - 2015.05.08 01:46:29 -
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Like I said, a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong road.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
339
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Posted - 2015.05.08 01:54:47 -
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heh my bad, didn't see your post. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
349
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Posted - 2015.05.08 02:01:06 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:heh my bad, didn't see your post. I thought we were friends, but you're ignoring my posts..... I need another whisky
*grumbling into his glass* Nobody loves me any more
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
339
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Posted - 2015.05.08 02:12:47 -
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SORRY!!!! Obviously it wasn't intentional! And your still loved by your tribe probably... |
Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
96
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Posted - 2015.05.08 02:14:25 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Markus Error wrote:@drinks, Gin is the stepping stone. Vodka and Whiskey are for those of a) stronger disposition and b) not those who are relied on to repair damaged ships. Drunk engineers, yay.
As for kin... I care for all Minmatar. But those who have turned their backs on us entirely... well, they can't simply be forgiven for anything. Give me straight shots of whiskey and I'm good. As for those that turned their backs on us..... Forgiveness is possible, but a long road awaits your acceptance back into the fold. And for what makes a Minmatar a Minmatar? Biologically: your DNA. Socially: acceptance by your Tribe, adherence to our laws, loyalty to your kin, and the ability to fashion an assortment of reliable weapons out of a box of spare parts helps too....
Actually, even given our previous arguement, I agree. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
88
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Posted - 2015.05.08 02:50:07 -
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What makes one Matari?
Usually a Mommy Matari and a Daddy Matari.
Sometimes twins.
Whiskey
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Nissui
106
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Posted - 2015.05.08 03:29:47 -
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Matari are not 'allowed' to be so. Matari cannot escape being so.
It matters not where you go or what you do, whether you accept or reject: the blood of every ancestor who came before, who rose and fell to preserve the unseen future that is you, permeates your being. The bond can be unmade no more than you can be unborn. |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
441
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Posted - 2015.05.08 03:34:37 -
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I'm not Matari, so I have no real say in the matter.
I came instead to respond simply to the nature of the original question:
That you seek to understand what it means to be Matari should not be discouraged. It is not so simple as "I should probably not care what others think," because the very nature of the question revolves around what others think (namely, the Matari).
Do not shy away from reflection, embrace it. There is much to gain from viewing oneself candidly and honestly. May you find the answers you seek.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
353
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Posted - 2015.05.08 04:16:18 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:SORRY!!!! Obviously it wasn't intentional! And your still loved by your tribe probably... Most likely. Also the wife and kids. I got that going for me, which is nice.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
353
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Posted - 2015.05.08 04:18:30 -
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Tabor Murn wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Markus Error wrote:@drinks, Gin is the stepping stone. Vodka and Whiskey are for those of a) stronger disposition and b) not those who are relied on to repair damaged ships. Drunk engineers, yay.
As for kin... I care for all Minmatar. But those who have turned their backs on us entirely... well, they can't simply be forgiven for anything. Give me straight shots of whiskey and I'm good. As for those that turned their backs on us..... Forgiveness is possible, but a long road awaits your acceptance back into the fold. And for what makes a Minmatar a Minmatar? Biologically: your DNA. Socially: acceptance by your Tribe, adherence to our laws, loyalty to your kin, and the ability to fashion an assortment of reliable weapons out of a box of spare parts helps too.... Actually, even given our previous arguement, I agree. Not so much an argument as a misunderstanding of slightly different viewpoints.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
97
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Posted - 2015.05.08 04:52:11 -
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ahhh see Pilot Toov... I knew you understood kinship. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
3574
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Posted - 2015.05.08 06:32:27 -
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A Matari is a label. Like for any other label, a person requires two components.
1. To declare yourself of that label, and be comfortable in that declaration.
2. To be accepted by others that the label does indeed apply to you.
"2" is only a requirement if it matters to you what other people think. In my opinion, even as an unkillable infinitely-replicating clone, life is too short to worry about other people and their opinions.
Call me Joe.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
958
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Posted - 2015.05.08 10:44:56 -
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Nissui wrote:Matari are not 'allowed' to be so. Matari cannot escape being so.
It matters not where you go or what you do, whether you accept or reject: the blood of every ancestor who came before, who rose and fell to preserve the unseen future that is you, permeates your being. The bond can be unmade no more than you can be unborn.
What does that bond... entails, then ? |
Halfrek Foley
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
15
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:16:02 -
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I agree with Joe. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
44
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:09:38 -
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Indeed, anyone has the capability of being Matari - blood relation isn't necessary, just happens often - provided they're comfortable in declaring themselves as such and the Matari in general - specifically, their friends family whatever - accept that.
And yes, the road to forgiveness it always open. It just varies in length.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our compaions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
49
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:16:02 -
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There is no "one" Minmatar. We are a kith and kin. The blood of the ancestors within our veins. Respectful of our diversity. United against adversity. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
452
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Posted - 2015.05.10 07:24:09 -
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What makes one Matari?
Blood ties.
Also chronic material shortages and making antiquated technology relevant with magic engineer nonsense.
Also, coffee. Kaf'fak especially.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
611
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Posted - 2015.05.10 09:07:29 -
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Racial identity is a complex web of personal, social and physical factors, and in all of them tremendously subjective. While "Genetics" is, of course, an easy answer, it's sort of unapplicable in terms of human society. You could be genetically a turnip, but so long as you looked like a Brutor, people would see you as one.
For instance, It is the popular opinion in the State that Caldari who rejected the secession movement and live peacefully in the Federation to this day are not "true Caldari", for both cultural reasons and the fact that many have mixed considerably with the Gallentean population - Even in instances where neither of these factors are entirely applicable. Inversely, there are people living in the State who are largely genetically Gallentean, but are fortunate in terms of physical makeup, and are thus accepted without question as being Caldari.
When you start looking at things in terms of societies rather than individuals, the issue becomes even muddier. Due to the Imperial invasion, genetically and culturally, today's Minmatar are considerably divergent from the Minmatar of several hundred years ago. Say for example someone were to find a few hundred Minmatar from that period in cryogenic stasis. Would they no longer be Minmatar, if they refused to integrate into the current society? Or would that action make the entire current Minmatar society illegitimate by default...?
Ultimately, these are questions of human construction. The essential truth is that an identity is "legitimate" when you manage to convince both yourself and your peers of it's legitimacy.
But of course, some people are better at convincing than others. |
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