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evotta
Territorial Hanseatic League
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:46:16 -
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I think haulers are fine. You can tank them properly if you are willing to sacrifice cargo. Ad please, no guns on them |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
307
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Posted - 2015.05.08 09:48:23 -
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evotta wrote: Ad please, no guns on them
*Cough* I'd like a Role bonus to fitting Large Projectiles to my Mammoth and/ore Bestower.
Just one turret.
Pls.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
312
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:14:32 -
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A touchy topic as always.
To me, the only problem with HS ganking is it relies on bumping. Although it's an archaic design flaw in eve, these days it's specifically machariels which retain this ability - too fast for such a big ship tbh. Without bumping, gankers would have a very tough time getting the job done (and I've seen them work, it's not as easy to accomplish as some might think, and bumpers are kickass pilots). So, barring a 'fix' to the machariel, some other options for improving the situation:
DST's are excellent. The designers got around the lowslot cargo expander/tank dilemma by giving them a specialised hanger. The last freighter rebalance gave them lowslots, but that doesn't really help the shield freighters as much as the armour ones. If freighters had a (max with level 5) 600,000m3 hanger, they could be given slot arrangements, pg and cpu like proper starships without stepping on the >1mil m3 limit. i.e. 2 mids, 2 lows for gallente and matari ships, 3 low/1 mid for amarr and 3 mid/1 low for caldari. Allow them enough pg and cpu to fit BS sized modules and capital rigs. Lower their base structure a bit, as a DC would most likely be fit in the lows and they'll be able to fit local reps etc. Fitting such modules doesn't greatly help afk pilots since the DC still needs to be turned on, along with reps.
This would give them them the ability to self-repair armour, hull and shield as needed, though not so fast as to be overwhelmingly tougher. Their maximum number of targets stays at 0, so they still can't be used as combat vessels and benefit from escorts and are, of course, still vulnerable to bumping.
"Wow, that internet argument completely changed my fundamental belief system," said no one, ever.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.05.08 15:42:43 -
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Galphii wrote:A touchy topic as always.
To me, the only problem with HS ganking is it relies on bumping. Although it's an archaic design flaw in eve, these days it's specifically machariels which retain this ability - too fast for such a big ship tbh. Without bumping, gankers would have a very tough time getting the job done (and I've seen them work, it's not as easy to accomplish as some might think, and bumpers are kickass pilots). So, barring a 'fix' to the machariel, some other options for improving the situation: You want to know the true solution to fixing this imaginary "problem" you have? Spend half as much time learning how to protect yourself from the gankers as you do whining about how horribad ganking is.
Red Frog had 99.7% success ratio. Go back up in the thread, find where Black Pedro linked their annual report, and look at the numbers. They averaged 729 contracts per day while losing less than 1 a day. They do this by being active pilots and using the necessary methods needed to protect themselves from gankers.
Personally, I've had a freighter alt for 4 years now, and have never once lost a freighter to ganking. I actively fly it and use every other method to prevent ganks. Probably the best method is this:
1. Scout/webbing alt sees active gankers in local. 2. Freighter pilot docks in a system before getting to the system with active gankers. 3. Go do something on another alt while waiting for gankers to move on.
Pure rocket science, I know, but it works really well.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Kaerakh
POS Party Low-Class
512
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:45:26 -
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Someone mentioned that blockade runners blow up often and I think there was a sarcastic comment about freighters flying into low. Having flown the former and directed operations in the past involving the later, I can tell you the implied conclusions of both statements are false.
While these are merely glib and unextrapolated anecdotes. I personally have flown the same prowler for 3 and a half years. As for freighters, a simple web and properly probed wormhole route is all you need to move through anywhere unmolested. This principle can be applied to any slow alignment ship of concern to you(the op).
And that is the end of this discussion.
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The Fate of Forum Alts
Guaranteed Success
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
635
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:57:00 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Red Frog made over 99.7% of their contracts last year, and so can you if you just spend a little effort. 99.7% completion rate while not knowing what they're talking about.
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
339
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:08:31 -
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Kaerakh wrote:...I think there was a sarcastic comment about freighters flying into low.
I can screenshot the completed Courier contract.
Two hundred fifty million was paid for a cargo worth of 2.5bn ISK, which I acquired for 1.8bn - a total of 770k m3 with numerous unassembled ship hulls, so the courier received 35% of my profits to jump into Antem, then haul it 1j to HS and into a trade hub.
There was an Aeon in the system at the time, and I was scouting - tricky part was the jump in, once in warp it's smooth sailing.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Naga Tokiba
Tokiba Inc
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Posted - 2015.05.09 19:27:40 -
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Haulers are a pain to fly because of really really slow alignment. Yes to more slots. Yes to protection. Yes to drone bay. |
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.09 20:27:17 -
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Van Dracon wrote:Howdy to all, I watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21LwbnDI2JE with some expectations that something new and good would come out for haulers. Like most movies these day's the hype is always in the trailer and the rest of the junk you see when you pay for the ticket. As much as i love haulers and red frog I am disappointed to see nothing new is coming our way for space truckers. We take on the biggest risk in high sec. We are not given anything to defend ourselves compared to other ships. All we get is a lame 3 low slots. I thought EvE is suppose to emulate reality in some way and let me prove it to you CCP. Do banks in real life send their trucks to pickup money without security ? No they don't do they. I"m sure you won't see a priest in the truck aye. I can see in other areas let's say most areas of EvE reality kicks in but for space truckers you made us nothing more than a duck for hunting season. Where is the creativity or when are we going to see anything new for haulers. Here is a wish list to give you guys in the office some ideas. 1 - Give us deflective dmg since you won't give us guns (cause everyone would fly a freighter then aye). 2 - Give us self destruct to cause mass radius dmg (i'm going down but your coming with me). 3- Give us more hp or armor to at least buy us some time to see some ships shot by concord. 4 - You like bumping, then cause dmg to bumper ships and if they persist so does the dmg to their ship and then they explode now how about that. You want to bump a freighter then pay the price. These are just few examples I wish to hear other peoples input. regards Without trucks you have a slow snail economy
A few things wrong with this. Your first mistake was expecting game mechanics to come from a talk from a player talking about the group he works with. Then you move on to say you just get a lame 3 lows. You can do a TON with 3 lows that bring so many additional fitting options compared to when you couldn't fit anything. Then you go on about security. You are absolutely correct but what you don't realize is that support isn't the games job to give you. It's your job to find or pay someone to give it to you just like how it's on you to find and pay a webber if you want (or of course use an alt).
then the list 1- Why? How? What situation does this protect against and how is it countered? 2- Before considering this idea, did you think about how it would affect anyone except haulers? Imagine the chaos this would cause in PvP? Or if a null entity or someone with too much isk comes into high sec and blows up multiple freighters on undock at jita. Plus would this apply for other smaller haulers? 3- LOW SLOTS ARE USED FOR THIS EXACT PURPOSE WHY WERE YOU DISSING THEM EARLIER!? 4- again you didn't put any thought in to this besides for the job you do. Bumping is an insanely common thing in ganking, pvp, and fleets. It would serve you some good (though undocks could cause you and others quite a lot of damage if it's busy) and be a hindrance to everyone else.
all in all -1 |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
348
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Posted - 2015.05.10 06:41:26 -
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Naga Tokiba wrote:Haulers are a pain to fly because of really really slow alignment. Yes to more slots. Yes to protection. Yes to drone bay.
Any hauler with an AB aligns in 8 seconds sharp.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Van Dracon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.22 06:37:22 -
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After reading some of the posts by you guys. I"m seeing the fighters side cry like kids not getting their milk. So you basically call your selves brave fighters and get a big ego growing cause you gank a defenseless haulers. Yes defenseless with no weapons. Bring back the days of mad max. Ever heard the words "An eye for an eye"..
How would you react to a hauler pumping out bullets to your head, i'm sure you would think before you start firing away or you would come up with a strategy to really take a hauler down wouldn't you. You call yourself tough guy's cause the hauler doesn't spray bullets back at you and i still see you guys posting in this section and crying.
And do you really think people in this world will have very expensive stuff hauled across the other side of the world without some sort of security. Really, As for me the eve collateral system is a black hole and needs to be revamped. The reason it hasn't is because there is some stupid ganking activity in high sec that ccp call "activity" and it's part of the game be it good or bad to the game it is what it is.
Don't forget haulers are so LIMITED with 3 slots compared to the 30 or more gankers it faces who have multiple slots and options. Yes gankers move very slow and can't do anything. Mmmmmmm what option do you have as a haulaer when your about to die. Let me give you the best tipp, just get popcorn and see your ship blow. Thanks CCP for being so inventive and idealistic when it comes to hauler options.
Wait hang on a sec, the soap isn't budging from the floor, I need a hand. Oh by the way the words on the soap say Code. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
627
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Posted - 2015.05.22 06:43:34 -
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It would also be cool if my battleship could haul 320k m3, so you get your guns on your hauler and the gankers ship up and counter your guns, then what? Complain that they need more ehp?
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1062
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:01:26 -
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Van Dracon wrote:...hurr durr, defence with weapons!!... Dear spacefriend
You already have an invincible, all-knowing and omnipresent police force who will kill everything that attacks you in < 25s.
Say you have 8 highslots which could fit any weapons you want, how many Catalysts could you kill in those 25s that would make a difference? No one cares if you have guns. Go on, make them give you high slots for guns, all I say is it will not make a difference. I wait here for the next whine thread about mid slots for sensor boosters in the meantime.
If you need a mining permit to legally ship your stuff in Highsec, feel free to contact me ingame.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Van Dracon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:37:34 -
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I"m not saying saying to be anti gank proof. But if you had any human imagination at present time you would understand it would give us something to react on and not just sit and watch. Do you find that exciting do you ?.
Taking down a few ships would be nice even though I will end up being blown but i hope these words expand your imagination a bit on paying subscription for a purpose. But then again your talking based on your side of the story let me think. Press button A oh hang on a sec i also have button B. As for a hauler We don't have button A to begin with. Is that in simple terms for you to get an idea of where i'm coming from ? If not use here is a link http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/react
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1032
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Posted - 2015.05.22 09:33:12 -
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Van Dracon wrote:After reading some of the posts by you guys. I"m seeing the fighters side cry like kids not getting their milk. So you basically call your selves brave fighters and get a big ego growing cause you gank a defenseless haulers. Yes defenseless with no weapons. Bring back the days of mad max. Ever heard the words "An eye for an eye"..
How would you react to a hauler pumping out bullets to your head, i'm sure you would think before you start firing away or you would come up with a strategy to really take a hauler down wouldn't you. You call yourself tough guy's cause the hauler doesn't spray bullets back at you and i still see you guys posting in this section and crying.
And do you really think people in this world will have very expensive stuff hauled across the other side of the world without some sort of security. Really, As for me the eve collateral system is a black hole and needs to be revamped. The reason it hasn't is because there is some stupid ganking activity in high sec that ccp call "activity" and it's part of the game be it good or bad to the game it is what it is. Friend, I think you need to take a deep breath, grab some tissue and calm down. The only tears flowing in this thread seem to be coming from you. Gankers, criminals and pirates are all part of the game as designed by CCP and are part of the dark PvP universe concept that is behind the game. CCP intends for your stuff to be at risk to attack, destruction and theft by other players. This is not some 12-year oversight on the part of the developers. You are suppose to have to spend some effort to protect your good while moving them.
There is nothing stopping you from getting your satisfaction, an "eye for and eye" as you say. Of course you should have "some sort of security" when you move your expensive stuff, but you are intended to bring that security by the developers. CCP could make a magic, invulnerable system for moving your goods in safety, but they don't because those goods are intended to be at risk and you are intended to protect them.
Play the game then, and protect your stuff instead of whining on the forums for CCP to do that for you.
Van Dracon wrote:Don't forget haulers are so LIMITED with 3 slots compared to the 30 or more gankers it faces who have multiple slots and options. Yes gankers move very slow and can't do anything. Mmmmmmm what option do you have as a haulaer when your about to die. Let me give you the best tipp, just get popcorn and see your ship blow. Thanks CCP for being so inventive and idealistic when it comes to hauler options.
Wait hang on a sec, the soap isn't budging from the floor, I need a hand. Oh by the way the words on the soap say Code.
Again, do you really think CCP doesn't know this? Haulers have been designed to have limited fittings so they are at risk to gankers. This was the original intention of the developers 12+ years ago and it still is the case. But it is not like you don't have tools. Blockade Runners and Deep Space Transports are effectively immune to gankers when piloted by someone at the keyboard, as is a Jump Freighter with a cyno on standby.
If you don't like playing the prey in New Eden, there are plenty of other professions available to you including that of gankers. But moaning about how you don't like playing the game as you are isn't a very productive way to remedy your unhappiness.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
630
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Posted - 2015.05.22 09:46:25 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:If you need a mining permit to legally ship your stuff in Highsec, feel free to contact me ingame.
you have been adopted as my slave and you are not permitted to sell permits of any sort, should you wish to sell permits for profit then contact me to discuss your options, i do not take disobedience of slaves lightly
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
691
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Posted - 2015.05.22 11:06:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:If you need a mining permit to legally ship your stuff in Highsec, feel free to contact me ingame. you have been adopted as my slave and you are not permitted to sell permits of any sort, should you wish to sell permits for profit then contact me to discuss your options, i do not take disobedience of slaves lightly
Confirming I am the party that Lan Wang represents. All proceeds should be wired to me directly.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
632
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:09:43 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:If you need a mining permit to legally ship your stuff in Highsec, feel free to contact me ingame. you have been adopted as my slave and you are not permitted to sell permits of any sort, should you wish to sell permits for profit then contact me to discuss your options, i do not take disobedience of slaves lightly Confirming I am the party that Lan Wang represents. All proceeds should be wired to me directly.
this is a scam, i do not represent the interests of the Amarr, dont be foiled by this trickery
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