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Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
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Posted - 2015.06.10 17:29:04 -
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Years of hard work. And a bit of PFM (Pure ******* Magic)
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Slippery Penguin The Crystal Palace
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Posted - 2015.06.10 20:28:04 -
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make all the things more expensive |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
490
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Posted - 2015.06.11 06:51:50 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Xtreem wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Another HowTo Trillionaire:
Get a lot of T2BPOs dirt cheap in early eve days, wait for insanely inflated sell rates, sell em for a super sick price, trillionaire check. Pretend to be a professional trader. I am in game chums with 3 people who have over 1T 2 of them indeed got rich this way. I remember when i was a younger char a T2 cap recharger BPO reached 30bil in price on the forums and being in awe of such isk.. seems almost nothing now. Needs more sinks. We did just have a very, very, very large sink added in Crius last year. It's not ISK that's in excess in the economy, it's products.
Eh?
Products & resources get destroyed, so there's more ISK chasing the same assets and inflate everything without due sinks.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
853
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Posted - 2015.06.11 07:05:31 -
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GankYou wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Xtreem wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Another HowTo Trillionaire:
Get a lot of T2BPOs dirt cheap in early eve days, wait for insanely inflated sell rates, sell em for a super sick price, trillionaire check. Pretend to be a professional trader. I am in game chums with 3 people who have over 1T 2 of them indeed got rich this way. I remember when i was a younger char a T2 cap recharger BPO reached 30bil in price on the forums and being in awe of such isk.. seems almost nothing now. Needs more sinks. We did just have a very, very, very large sink added in Crius last year. It's not ISK that's in excess in the economy, it's products. Eh? Products & resources get destroyed, so there's more ISK chasing the same assets and inflate everything without due sinks. More products get created than destroyed. It is essentialy the same faucets/sinks dynamic as the game wide isk pool.
With reprocessing devalued such that turning a useless product back in to raw materials isn't so much of a thing anymore, you're left with mounting piles of products chasing a limited amount of demand.
The Crius ranks change was a massive change and it has increased the productivity of most low end industrialists so that they can now overproduce by an even larger margin than previously.
The Crius industry isk sink was a massive change and while the gamewide isk pool may still be large and growing, it's the balance between that and the gamewide product pool that really matters. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
490
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Posted - 2015.06.11 07:25:38 -
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Bad Bobby wrote: More products get created than destroyed. It is essentialy the same faucets/sinks dynamic as the game wide isk pool.
Destruction, mining, refining, procurement, trading has zero effect on the net total ISK in the system - apart from the broker, sales tax along with station fees, of course.
Quote:The Crius ranks change was a massive change and it has increased the productivity of most low end industrialists so that they can now overproduce by an even larger margin than previously.
The Crius industry isk sink was a massive change and while the gamewide isk pool may still be large and growing, it's the balance between that and the gamewide product pool that really matters.
The issue brought up was ISK accumulation, not its relationship to products, destruction of which, is not an ISK sink.
Crius, however, did bring a very vital feature - an additional ISK sink in the form of the System Index, which now probably accounts for more ISK drained than all the broker & sales taxes paid, combined.
Without a capital gains tax or an income tax, that is a decent substitute, but then again - most of these people don't produce.
I'd like to thank all the mindless, hot money for my current disposition - a big thank you goes out to the former & current (semi-)ISBotters.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
853
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Posted - 2015.06.11 08:13:43 -
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GankYou wrote:Bad Bobby wrote: More products get created than destroyed. It is essentialy the same faucets/sinks dynamic as the game wide isk pool.
Destruction, mining, refining, procurement, trading has zero effect on the net total ISK in the system - apart from the broker, sales tax along with station fees, of course. GankYou wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:The Crius ranks change was a massive change and it has increased the productivity of most low end industrialists so that they can now overproduce by an even larger margin than previously.
The Crius industry isk sink was a massive change and while the gamewide isk pool may still be large and growing, it's the balance between that and the gamewide product pool that really matters. The issue brought up was ISK accumulation, not its relationship to products, destruction of which, is not an ISK sink. I see, so it's ok for you to relate the two in your posts, but not for anyone else? |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.06.11 09:42:25 -
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The point was about Incursion/anom farming and overall ISK printing - these people are unaffected by Crius.
They'll keep on printing more than you drain via the Indices.
They don't do production or research.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Create Alliance
597
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Posted - 2015.06.11 10:15:53 -
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Assuming they're not also spending their ISK in the LP Store.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
567
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:02:45 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Some RL advice to the player behind the screen - read up on the psychology of gambling if you honestly believe 'I deserve to win soon, it's been ages'. You *need* to take some maths classes IRL to get those misconceptions about probability out of your head - they will cost you a lot of money.
Well yes.
Probability even assuming it was some universal law that demands some *player* somewhere be winning and some *player* somewhere be losing certainly doesn't impact on single people. In other words, you could be amongst that small % of people who never win anything ever, were born with 1 leg deformed and are ugly as **** to boot.
The green eyed lady is capricious indeed.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
230
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Posted - 2015.06.11 23:14:00 -
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Go rob an Eve Iron Bank. |
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Baldrick UK
Ironforge Commerce Guild
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Posted - 2015.06.13 02:24:26 -
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read around the blogs - there are plenty that are dedicated to making ISK from trading to manufacturing et al.
Personally, i do manufacturing these days though i started off as a trader. Current wealth 198bn - so not that rich, but i can always make 2 bn a month if i only log on at Friday and Saturday for an hour or 10bn if i log on more often.
if you read my blog from the very first post i talk about my experiences and what i did to make my wealth:
http://marketsforisk.blogspot.co.uk/
the blog also has a list of other business related blogs as well as some useful videos on making ISK.
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Dextrome Thorphan
Intrepid Crossing
127
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Posted - 2015.06.13 07:45:47 -
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Maverick Tiberius Kirk wrote:I have 2.3 Billion i thought i was rich. I see some of you guys with hundreds of billions... Please tell me how do I make that much money
You played for 3 months and you thought you were rich? How horrible would that be for all the players that have been playing for years, some over a decade... |
Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot Darwinism.
143
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Posted - 2015.06.13 11:56:03 -
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I hoenstly find unless your really good at playing the market the easiest way to make isk is char selling. It requires a longer term investment but if you make the right type of chars they can go for a Bil isk per mil sp which is a pretty good return for the cost of skillbooks.
Especially with the changes to the skillque where they take near no input and if you have the Money to spend a few RL dollars on the beginner packs. You can get the skill boosters and then buddy invite yourself and you get the game time back on your main.
**** exhumer toons and basic starter PVp toons and things can be worth like 3 bil in a 60 day timespan so you essentially double your money
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Jelly Fat
Greedy Bastards
18
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Posted - 2015.06.14 19:47:55 -
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All the richiest players uses Magic Crystal Balls.
I am a professional Fedo Breeder.
Buying high pedigree Fedos since 2013
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
5145
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Posted - 2015.06.25 06:03:52 -
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Gary Bell wrote:I hoenstly find unless your really good at playing the market the easiest way to make isk is char selling. It requires a longer term investment but if you make the right type of chars they can go for a Bil isk per mil sp which is a pretty good return for the cost of skillbooks.
Especially with the changes to the skillque where they take near no input and if you have the Money to spend a few RL dollars on the beginner packs. You can get the skill boosters and then buddy invite yourself and you get the game time back on your main.
**** exhumer toons and basic starter PVp toons and things can be worth like 3 bil in a 60 day timespan so you essentially double your money
High risk in that - I can name someone that made over a trillion on training characters for resale, but that lost more than I've ever owned when game mechanic changes obliterated the value of around 100 characters he had in training.
Think they lost 0.4T out of the washup of the Phoebe changes.
They wound up ahead overall, but the ~0.7T they made over their entire time training and trading characters was not a great return for the amount of ISK they had tied up in it.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Alt Pilot1
Hysera Innovations
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Posted - 2015.07.05 03:03:16 -
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Maverick Tiberius Kirk wrote:I have 2.3 Billion i thought i was rich. I see some of you guys with hundreds of billions... Please tell me how do I make that much money
I just passed the trillion mark, but only on paper (asset value). Too bad I don't really care anymore lol.
The stuff would take months to liquidate, so it may or may not be a trillion. But I'm probably just gonna keep investing to see how high it can get. I've also been playing for a long time (almost 6 years)
However, I started out with almost 100 Billion of initial capital - I used real money to buy GTC's from Markee Dragon. Didn't see any other way to get the initial capital quickly.
I don't think I'm the only "space billionaire" who used real money. If you think about it, there is a lot of hardcore players in this game, as you can see from all the meta-gaming, and people flying across the world to attend the fanfest. |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
930
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Posted - 2015.07.05 04:00:33 -
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Alt Pilot1 wrote:I don't think I'm the only "space billionaire" who used real money to start. It's not that different from paying lots of subs on credit card and using the combined power of all those accounts to get rich, which is pretty much how I progressed from poor newbie to "rich" newbie back in 2005-2006.
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Alt Pilot1
Hysera Innovations
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Posted - 2015.07.05 04:44:18 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Alt Pilot1 wrote:I don't think I'm the only "space billionaire" who used real money to start. It's not that different from paying lots of subs on credit card and using the combined power of all those accounts to get rich, which is pretty much how I progressed from poor newbie to "rich" newbie back in 2005-2006.
Yep, the same could be said about training characters to sell for profit. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my ISK when I leave the game for good. Maybe I'll donate all of it in one of those "PLEX for good" drives. |
Angelica Everstar
237
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Posted - 2015.07.05 08:54:21 -
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Alt Pilot1 wrote:Yep, the same could be said about training characters to sell for profit. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my ISK when I leave the game for good. Maybe I'll donate all of it in one of those "PLEX for good" drives. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5703778 Just a suggestion to what you can do with ISK, that you don't want anymore, and want to be given to PLEX for Good.
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