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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
796
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:44:56 -
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Daerrol wrote:This seems largely like an issue between CONCORD and Eifyr. No charges have even been pressed yet. Seems a bit early to jump on the "save the scope" bandwagon.
DED has detained and are currently holding SCOPE employees in violation of their rights and laws. They have been held for days now without charges and no end to their interment in sight.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1147
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Posted - 2015.05.12 16:20:54 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote:Daerrol wrote:This seems largely like an issue between CONCORD and Eifyr. No charges have even been pressed yet. Seems a bit early to jump on the "save the scope" bandwagon. DED has detained and are currently holding SCOPE employees in violation of their rights and laws. They have been held for days now without charges and no end to their interment in sight. DED may only hold people for 48 hours without charges and the Federation may only hold for48 hours without charges so a total of 4 standard days can these people be held. It has been far longer than that. Justice is not being served here. The DED is overreaching in its authority.
This all depends on the threat they are trying to defend us against. The latest release states that we will receive clarification tomorrow. As long as these detainees are being well treated we should at least wait until then and see what is actually going on. |
Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
796
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Posted - 2015.05.12 16:49:48 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote:Daerrol wrote:This seems largely like an issue between CONCORD and Eifyr. No charges have even been pressed yet. Seems a bit early to jump on the "save the scope" bandwagon. DED has detained and are currently holding SCOPE employees in violation of their rights and laws. They have been held for days now without charges and no end to their interment in sight. DED may only hold people for 48 hours without charges and the Federation may only hold for48 hours without charges so a total of 4 standard days can these people be held. It has been far longer than that. Justice is not being served here. The DED is overreaching in its authority. This all depends on the threat they are trying to defend us against. The latest release states that we will receive clarification tomorrow. As long as these detainees are being well treated we should at least wait until then and see what is actually going on.
DED intent is irreverent. The rights of my clients are being violated. It is a slap to free citizens everywhere. If we keep letting DED intrude upon our freedoms, violate the laws and rights of a free people, then we are no better than slaves. I will not stand for it. The Gallente people will not stand for it. and I hope the President comes to his senses and stands up for our rights.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
89
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:54:36 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:You guys really think that a petition is going to change DED's mind?
Do i think it will change their mind? No Do i feel it is worth a pursuing the chance? Yes
When the time comes for change, it cannot be said we did not give fair warning, nor attempt diplomatic recourse first.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Vorion Atreides
The Vikings of Valhalla Project.Mayhem.
5
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:24:11 -
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a++a¦ê+ä-£Gö£Gö¼Gö¦Gö¼Gö¦ PsstGǪ you wanna buy some dongers?
Born too late to explore the Earth, born too soon to explore the Galaxy. Born just in time to post DANK Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦S
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KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
300
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Posted - 2015.05.12 20:44:57 -
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#BURNYULAI
Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
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Hans Bonderstadt
Resonance Cascade.
50
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Posted - 2015.05.12 20:46:32 -
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Vorion Atreides wrote:a++a¦ê+ä-£Gö£Gö¼Gö¦Gö¼Gö¦ PsstGǪ you wanna buy some dongers? le ebic meme xDD upboated ! how much ?? !!!!
captain of the uss ebic Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦S; pls
removarino the kebabarino
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Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma Stain Confederation
24
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Posted - 2015.05.12 23:51:16 -
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KaRa DaVuT wrote:#BURNYULAI Co-signed. |
Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1204
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Posted - 2015.05.13 00:07:19 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:KaRa DaVuT wrote:#BURNYULAI Co-signed. All according to plan. Good..... good.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
146
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Posted - 2015.05.13 03:26:15 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:You know, interestingly enough, Eifyr & Co was a participant or supporter of the Sisters' ship construction effort. Their logo is on the warp drive ring of the Stratios, even.
Huh. ... huh.
huh.... Huh.... HUH...
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
730
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:14:05 -
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Max Singularity wrote:huh.... Huh.... HUH...
Please say you didn't just make the "joke" I think you did, your allegedly imperial highness. |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
94
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Posted - 2015.05.15 18:02:11 -
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An update from the DED is available here
The DED has reported releasing The Scope employees Lina Ambre and Gaunia Octeyncaere. I sincerely hope this to be the case, and would call for them to make a statement regarding the events of the past week.
The DED also report that the video footage The Scope released appeared to have been six months to one year old. Thankfully for the moment they finally seem to be investigating why Eifyr & Co. withheld such information and their possibly engagement in negligence leading to Hilen Tukoss's presumed death.
It is interesting however that CONCORD do not believe it was possible for him to have survived via cloning. While the footage appears to show Hilen Tukoss's ship being destroyed in Anoikis, it is well known that subspace frequencies allow for the activating of clones even at such great distances. I wonder if they information that has led to this assumption.
Further more i now ask, if the information concerning the age of the footage is correct, could the Drifters have been staging for an assault vs another entity? Assuming so, and their now apparent interest the Jove observatories in our space, i would speculate that the Drifters may have launched an incursion into Jove space, and through them assimilated the information on our civilizations. I am, understudied in the matter. Perhaps one with more knowledge on the Jove than i could provide more information.
Finally i would call for pilots to remain on high alert. Until this matter is fully investigated and the Drifters purpose known, it is in the interest of everyone's safety to keep preparing for the defense of our space.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
370
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Posted - 2015.05.15 18:11:59 -
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FREEDOM!!! \Gùï/
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
513
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Posted - 2015.05.15 18:22:27 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Max Singularity wrote:huh.... Huh.... HUH... Please say you didn't just make the "joke" I think you did, your allegedly imperial highness. 1.
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
111
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:27:27 -
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"As focus shifts toward revealing why the footage was concealed for so long, both Lina Ambre and Gaunia Octeyncaere have been released without charge and continue to assist with the Inner Circle investigation, while a still unidentified former employee of Eifyr & Co remains in DED custody without formal charges having been raised."
Until we actually see them, their "release" is suspicious. Perhaps they're still continuing to assist at gunpoint? Or perhaps with the help of TCMCs?
And who is this "last employee" who is being held without charge?
Speaking of release, perhaps someone should release the Comm records of every prostitute on Yulai VIII?
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7019
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Posted - 2015.05.15 22:22:17 -
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With due respect, Mokk, lay off the drop. I know the hallucinations and paranoia are hard to cope with, but therapeutic regimen exist and can be very helpful, provided you stay away.
That said, the last employee was the former employee of Eifyr & Co that actually stole the recording, and sold it to the Scope. Now, had he or she simply leaked the recording to the Scope, I'd applaud the prisoner as a diligent and dedicated citizen, serving the common good. The requirement of payment, though, muddles the prisoner's intent and makes his or her motives suspect.
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Anyanka Funk
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
83
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Posted - 2015.05.15 22:59:23 -
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It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2166
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Posted - 2015.05.15 23:16:46 -
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How much did you see or care about these particular Scope employees before this incident. Not at all is my bet, since I doubt any of us even knew these particular people existed. Nor did we have any particular reason to. So why should after their release be any different?
It would be nice for them to make a statement for our peace of mind, but the absence of such a statement does not indicate any kind of conspiracy. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1151
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Posted - 2015.05.15 23:48:01 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:With due respect, Mokk, lay off the drop. I know the hallucinations and paranoia are hard to cope with, but therapeutic regimen exist and can be very helpful, provided you stay away.
That said, the last employee was the former employee of Eifyr & Co that actually stole the recording, and sold it to the Scope. Now, had he or she simply leaked the recording to the Scope, I'd applaud the prisoner as a diligent and dedicated citizen, serving the common good. The requirement of payment, though, muddles the prisoner's intent and makes his or her motives suspect.
The former employee may well not be a prisoner now, but rather in protective custody. There's more going on here than we know as yet. That fleet had gathered for something, and if not to fight us then who? The Drifters taking corpses and stripping the Jove structures could well be desperate re-arming/repairs. Until we know who they were fighting we should keep preparing for war but remain open minded about who is an ally. |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
95
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Posted - 2015.05.16 00:45:45 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:How much did you see or care about these particular Scope employees before this incident. Not at all is my bet, since I doubt any of us even knew these particular people existed. Nor did we have any particular reason to. So why should after their release be any different?
It would be nice for them to make a statement for our peace of mind, but the absence of such a statement does not indicate any kind of conspiracy.
Ignoring the fact that your opinion on who cares about who is a complete assumption without any basis in factual reasoning, i would respond with 'Because it is important we get to hear from the people held captive during the event, rather then just the captors'
As for the rest of you. I would appreciate it greatly if you could take your accusations on who the druggie is to a different thread so that it does not clog this one up. I do believe you migrated the discussion here from a different thread, so please take it back.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7020
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Posted - 2015.05.16 01:00:36 -
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Anyanka Funk wrote:It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here.
And yet the report of the Scope employees' release was distributed by Alton Haveri of the Scope. Law of logical parsimony, to reference the logic you clearly hold so dear. The DED says they released the Scope employees, and the Scope broadcast it as news. Simplest explanation is that the event indeed occured that way. It requires rather more convoluted or fantastical thinking to come up with situations where the prisoners are 'released,' but held under duress while the Scope broadcasts misinformation, or to engage in nonconsensual cybernetic surgery while somehow concealing this fact from the Scope.
What's more, Funk, consider that Mokk seemed to claim to not know who the 'last employee' was, despite that his position in the scandal has been fairly well identified, and his name is irrelevant compared to his actions of theft of data and sale of that data to the Scope, which precipitated this whole mess.
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Anyanka Funk
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
83
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Posted - 2015.05.16 02:37:59 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Anyanka Funk wrote:It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here. And yet the report of the Scope employees' release was distributed by Alton Haveri of the Scope. Law of logical parsimony, to reference the logic you clearly hold so dear. The DED says they released the Scope employees, and the Scope broadcast it as news. Simplest explanation is that the event indeed occured that way. It requires rather more convoluted or fantastical thinking to come up with situations where the prisoners are 'released,' but held under duress while the Scope broadcasts misinformation, or to engage in nonconsensual cybernetic surgery while somehow concealing this fact from the Scope. What's more, Funk, consider that Mokk seemed to claim to not know who the 'last employee' was, despite that his position in the scandal has been fairly well identified, and his name is irrelevant compared to his actions of theft of data and sale of that data to the Scope, which precipitated this whole mess.
Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations.
I also agree with Sahriah that the accusations of drug use derailments be moved back to the thread they came from.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2166
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Posted - 2015.05.16 03:19:08 -
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Anyanka Funk wrote: Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations.
I also agree with Sahriah that the accusations of drug use derailments be moved back to the thread they came from.
There is nothing to disprove. Mokk is the one who came up with a conspiracy theory that doesn't fit the current evidence. Mokk is the one who needs to provide evidence in the first place & like all good conspiracy theories he hasn't. |
Ashlar Maidstone
Moonfyre Science and Research Inc.
180
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Posted - 2015.05.16 03:55:55 -
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Signed,
I too will request that all information be handed over so that I may make an informed judgement call on this matter as soon as possible, knowing the DED is pretty slow about this it's pretty crucial not to be wasting time. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7022
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Posted - 2015.05.16 16:18:10 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote: As for the rest of you. I would appreciate it greatly if you could take your accusations on who the druggie is to a different thread so that it does not clog this one up. I do believe you migrated the discussion here from a different thread, so please take it back.
Mokk's theories were posted here, and I responded to them here. The discussion did not originate elsewhere. Thank you, but even you discount his theories without much thought, so it seems fair that I do the same, if perhaps more vocally.
Anyanka Funk wrote:Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations.
Please refer again to this Galnet summary of the law of parsimony. Mokk's theories are more convoluted than the simple theory that the Scope report about a DED release is true, and require additional factors that we have no suggestion of at present; simply, it is not an elegant theory, and requires more (rather biased, I'd add) assumptions about the DED and Scope. Ultimately, the burden of proof is on him to establish why those theories are worth considering, as without some proven basis for those theories, they're significantly weaker than the evident fact of the Scope personnel's release.
To say it in a more pithy way: I also can't disprove that the DED haven't engaged in mind control with me, you, or half the cluster, but lacking any evidence in favor of that theory, we may consider it extremely weak and ignore it in favor of the theory that the DED, in fact, are not engaged in mass mind control.
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DJ-Thomas
Eve Radio Corporation Eve Radio Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:04:28 -
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday.
In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence.
There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release.
The capsuleers that attended were as follows:
DJ-Thomas Commander Whitford A Wet Nappy 198727 Cyrano Garjuiji Raetar Kurvora Eija-Riitta Veitonen Freelancer117 LosAzteca Aden Ordinii COMFF DJ Cai DJ Helixdragon Frenjo Borkstar Caeaden Khaprice Reya Ahrire
We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome.
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
96
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Posted - 2015.05.17 00:46:43 -
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DJ-Thomas wrote:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday.
In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence.
There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release.
The capsuleers that attended were as follows:
DJ-Thomas Commander Whitford A Wet Nappy 198727 Cyrano Garjuiji Raetar Kurvora Eija-Riitta Veitonen Freelancer117 LosAzteca Aden Ordinii COMFF DJ Cai DJ Helixdragon Frenjo Borkstar Caeaden Khaprice Reya Ahrire
We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome.
ENDS
We thank you for your efforts in this matter. Sadly i was unaware of this initiative or i may have attended.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
372
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Posted - 2015.05.17 01:41:10 -
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DJ-Thomas wrote:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday.
In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence.
There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release.
The capsuleers that attended were as follows:
DJ-Thomas Commander Whitford A Wet Nappy 198727 Cyrano Garjuiji Raetar Kurvora Eija-Riitta Veitonen Freelancer117 LosAzteca Aden Ordinii COMFF DJ Cai DJ Helixdragon Frenjo Borkstar Caeaden Khaprice Reya Ahrire
We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome.
ENDS Wait, bombing something is considered a peaceful act now? Aww, yeah, we are going to be spreading peace now.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
112
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Posted - 2015.05.17 02:19:01 -
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I actually don't use drugs.Ms. Priano.
Though I admit I had to check my drink because I see you made this post, but it's all Diana Kim's words. She's getting very good at ventriloquism, because half the Caldari Bloc is beginning to sound like her.
Logical parsimony? Who has the better intel? The person who works for an organization that has had insider knowledge of the DED for decades or the person who is basing her opinion on what the DED spoon-feeds her?
They're using you. All of you. CONCORD, the DED, the SSOE, all of them. Yet even when presented with proof that they've been lying and playing your for fools, you continue to clutch at their hems like frightened children.
They will never allow peace because peace means they're out of a job. Peace means they can't skim ISK off the top of every government and capsuleer in the cluster. So do you think with your logical parsimony, is it more believable that they're backpedaling because a whistle-blower or two pulled their pants down, or some naughty reporters and conspiracy theorists are just trying to make them look bad?
You're a smart girl. Think past the party line for once.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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DJ-Thomas
Eve Radio Corporation Eve Radio Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.05.17 03:05:13 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote: Wait, bombing something is considered a peaceful act now? Aww, yeah, we are going to be spreading peace now.
Shooting the protest monument has been a legitimate and effective form of protest for many years now and remains so even after all this time. No damage was done as blank ammunition was used and no laws were broken.
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:We thank you for your efforts in this matter. Sadly i was unaware of this initiative or i may have attended.
It was a spontaneous protest which I decided on as part of my scheduled programme that evening. We did try our best to advertise both across the radio network, GalNet and local communication channels.
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