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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.08 20:48:57 -
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As I am seeing interesting information about new wormholes on various Eve news site, I have been disappointed to find out that this is only happening on the test server, and not in New Eden.
I understand the need for CCP to test new features, but I do not like being cut out of possible new discoveries because I am not on the test server all the time. I play in New Eden, pay my subs, and I could be expecting to have a chance one day to discover things by myself, rather than being spoonfed information by the players that have the bandwidth to use the test server.
CCP should put a restriction on how much public communication can be done out of the test server experiences, so that all players can be exposed to cool new stuff at the same time.
I also would recommend that exact stats being implemented for testing purpose but kept hidden of the regular players on the test server (for exemple by making the attributes tab as well as the damage reports only visible to those testers that have signed a full NDA). Giving a leg up to the players that have the luxury of having a lot of time on their hands, to the detriment of the more regular players, goes against the sci-fi experience CCP wants to create for all its players.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.05.08 20:57:32 -
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How can CCP police such a thing?
There is little they can do to restrict anyone from using their right and ability to type, talk or make a video about something.
The easiest way, if you don't want to use SiSi yourself (bandwidth shouldn't be an issue) is through your own personal control. Don't read, listen to or watch anything that reveals information you don't want to know ahead of its arrival on TQ.
Outside the game and EULA, CCP can't censor people.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:09:37 -
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OP, please be so kind as to biomass and spare us any further idiotic threads.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:44:55 -
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Hey, you know what would really suck? If the same week the mysterious new wormholes wete unveiled, there was some kind of storyline event where the mysterious new wormholes were unveiled.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:35:08 -
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Saisin wrote:I understand the need for CCP to test new features, but I do not like being cut out of possible new discoveries because I am not on the test server all the time. I play in New Eden, pay my subs, and As does everybody else, last time I checked the test server was public.
Which is down to you, not anything CCP are doing with regards to SiSi
Quote:I could be expecting to have a chance one day to discover things by myself, rather than being spoonfed information by the players that have the bandwidth to use the test server. You could always use the test server...
As for bandwidth, you're having a laugh. Playwise Eve uses nothing; update wise the shared resources folder makes playing on Sisi a minor matter of updating a few files, especially if you also use symlinks.
Quote:CCP should put a restriction on how much public communication can be done out of the test server experiences, so that all players can be exposed to cool new stuff at the same time. Why would they do that? Player buzz about upcoming features and how they work is good advertising, they also use the public feedback to improve what's in the pipeline and as a benefit that keeps us engaged in the process.
Quote:I also would recommend that exact stats being implemented for testing purpose but kept hidden of the regular players on the test server (for exemple by making the attributes tab as well as the damage reports only visible to those testers that have signed a full NDA). Goodbye epic tales of market speculation going wrong when the patch notes are different from expected.
Quote:Giving a leg up to the players that have the luxury of having a lot of time on their hands, to the detriment of the more regular players, goes against the sci-fi experience CCP wants to create for all its players. Those players are giving themselves a leg up, CCP merely provide the tool to do so.
What about a sci-fi experience rules out gaining an unfair advantage through means fair or foul? Using the test server to gain "insider" knowledge on changes to build requirements etc could be seen as such; with the major difference being that CCP allow anybody to do it, albeit at their own financial risk.
Using the test server is as much part of the metagame as any Eve related activity not taking place on TQ is. If you can't be bothered to log on to SiSi occasionally then that's up to you, but don't berate those of us that can be bothered.
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Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.08 23:22:17 -
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A flat-out (10/10) !
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.08 23:48:48 -
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SiSi and TQ now share the same cache. You can do this to try out SiSi (from Twitter):
CCP Paradox wrote:You can use your TQ install, just add "/server:Singularity" to the shortcut. Delete it to go back to TQ, it patches the difference
The test server has a huge significance in unveiling EVE related plot elements lately. See this gallery from Uriel and be amazed.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.09 01:53:54 -
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I would rather discover old news than more bugs.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.05.09 03:03:51 -
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When playing the metagame is more important to success than playing the actual game there is an issue. Op has quite a point. And it ruins main storyline development when it all leaks from the test servers months in advance. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.05.09 04:21:31 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:When playing the metagame is more important to success than playing the actual game there is an issue. Op has quite a point. And it ruins main storyline development when it all leaks from the test servers months in advance. That's a reality of the medium. Expecting an engrossing story told by the devs, in an online game is silly. There's a reason many of us are constantly yelling about the 'sandbox'. CCP understands that in an MMO, to have compelling stories, you need to have the players 'write' them. Most MMOs try to shoehorn thousands of 'chosen ones' into a single player game. EVE went ahead and made an actual multiplayer game. An unfortunate side effect of MMOs is that they need to be iterated on constantly, which means bug testing, which means spoilers. Them's the breaks.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.05.09 04:25:45 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:When playing the metagame is more important to success than playing the actual game there is an issue. Op has quite a point. And it ruins main storyline development when it all leaks from the test servers months in advance. But surely, if someone is into playing the metagame and they need to know what is coming, then everyone in that space has the same tools available to them and their chance of success is measured more by how much they are prepared to do themselves and who they network with? SiSi makes no difference when it's a tool we all have.
In relation to things being on SiSi months in advance of TQ, how often is that an issue at all. Things usually go on SiSi not long before they go live on TQ and something being on SiSi isn't a guarantee that it will ever make it to TQ.
But in the end, it all just comes back to the same thing. If someone doesn't want to know about those things, they are free not to read, listen to or what material that relates to SiSi developments. I don't see why it is so hard for people to take personal responsibility for the information they choose to consume.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.05.09 04:51:15 -
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Scipio, it's not a question of 'is it fair' though since most people can't cache scrape and don't know how to steal data of Chaos like certain null alliances do to see what is in internal testing it's not 'fair' since the same tools aren't available to everyone.
It's about it being bad that the Metagame has become more important than actually playing the game itself. Not quite what the Op is talking about obviously, but it's still a bad thing overall. And you can't simply ignore Sisi, because when you post about 'Hey I found this new cool thing' the response is 'We know , it was on Sisi a month ago' |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.09 05:30:56 -
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OP has a point. But I don't see how this can be changed without scrapping public access to SiSi. People exploring and trying out these things voluntarily is IMO a big asset to QA.
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.09 06:25:03 -
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When I was mentioning bandwith, it was related to my time to enjoy the game, not any internet bandwidth.. Sorry for the confusion around that term.
I believe people using the test server do a great service for all of us, and I am glad they have the time to do so. But when this time is used to get a leg up on upcoming features and provide benefit into the "real" New Eden once the changes are up, this becomes too close to insider information advantage. There are ways to curve this without preventing the testing from those that can do it.
I am discarding the silly responses about getting all players somehow being able to filter out the news originating from the test server, from the rest of the community produced content.
It is up to CCP to gauge if the droplets of internet fame scored by a few players having been the firsts to discover something new from the test server are worth the perception this generates for the majority of their player base (unless of course, I am in the minority by not using the test server at all, in which case my point is moot - CCP can run the numbers and tell)
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37002
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Posted - 2015.05.09 06:42:48 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Scipio, it's not a question of 'is it fair' though since most people can't cache scrape and don't know how to steal data of Chaos like certain null alliances do to see what is in internal testing it's not 'fair' since the same tools aren't available to everyone.
It's about it being bad that the Metagame has become more important than actually playing the game itself. Not quite what the Op is talking about obviously, but it's still a bad thing overall. And you can't simply ignore Sisi, because when you post about 'Hey I found this new cool thing' the response is 'We know , it was on Sisi a month ago' Of course they're available to anyone (cache scraping as a tool I thought was a bit risky in terms of the EULA, but maybe I'm wrong).
Not knowing how to do something doesn't mean the tools aren't available to you, it just means you need to learn to use them or network better so that you have connections to others that can do so.
While blaming nullsec alliances, how do you think they came to understand how to use that? Being nullsec has nothing to do with it. Putting in the work to do something does. It's something everyone can do if they want to.
The metagame is just as much part of the game as anything else. For some people its even more enjoyable.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2859
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Posted - 2015.05.09 07:01:22 -
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I don't see your point.
There is nothing fair or unfair about it. People aren't equal. They don't have equal abilities and capabilities. Some outright suck at what they do and some excell at it.
People who can't access the information, because they lack the time or will, simply won't have direct access to that information. That doesn't mean they can't read up on it, though.
And here breaks your whole argument. Everyone can read on the internet. You had time to write this thread, equally would you have time to read the testserver forums.
And those who want to avoid spoilers simply don't need to look at /r/eve, or avoid obvious forum threads. That's how it is.
Protecting people from imaginary insider information that's public is nonsense, because that means protecting people mostly from themselves.
Very elaborate trolling. That bandwith "misunderstanding" sure gave people an imagjnary reason to fall for it.
In any case do people not need to be protected or punished for the inabilities or incapabilities of others.
We aren't equal. Some are worse, some are better.
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Trajan Unknown
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.09 08:35:59 -
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I think there is a pretty simple solution.
Don-¦t read the news in the first place? I mean, I watch the Scope News and read various EvE news but I barely touch these "Oh my god, see what I found on SiSi!" threads/articles. It-¦s more because it is not too relevant for me and well, I sometimes like surprises. But there is nothing wrong with making the stuff open to public since no one is forcing you to read about it. Now one could argue that he/she is at a disadvantage but well, if you really want to compete with all that you better get yourself on the testserver or simply test it on TQ and discover things for yourself. I mean at the end of the day people share their findings so there are no real "insider informations" you know of because well, if someone has "insider informations" I guess you would not know. ;) :) |
Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force The Kadeshi
421
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Posted - 2015.05.09 16:15:49 -
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A feature/function making to the test server Gëá making it into the game. Everything on the test server is subject to change without notice. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25131
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Posted - 2015.05.09 17:13:54 -
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If you want to discover stuff for yourself, discover stuff for yourself.
If you don't, then the lead time between testing and deployment of anything of significance is such that there is no particular advantage to be had from going on the test server yourself GÇö you can just pick up the information from your regular channels. For your GÇ£problemGÇ¥ to exist, data has to be held secret by CCP but your entire complaint relies on the premise that the data is not secret. So your complaint fully defeats itself.
More importantly, though, not putting actual data on the testing server for testing means the actual data will arrive on the live servers untested. This is a bad thing. So even if your assumed problem existed, it would be irrelevant compared to the problem any kind of obfuscation would create.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.09 17:21:52 -
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Public testing is a good thing.
Don't wanna know about what's on Sisi, don't read about it. Or go there yourself and find out for yourself. Trying to put a NDA on Sisi is like trying to be on IRC and telling people not to spoil sports scores, of plots. It's gonna leak, deal with it.
I like this way much more than new stuff added to Eve never getting proper player testing. |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2896
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Posted - 2015.05.09 17:47:00 -
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We really like to moan about anything these days ....
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
301
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Posted - 2015.05.09 17:55:44 -
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Just think how much content would be generated if players had to work out Burner missions on Tranquility instead of SISI.
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