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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
662
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Posted - 2015.05.09 00:30:49 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:And what would you have us do? Fight CONCORD, fight the Minmatar, fight the Gallente, fight the Sansha, fight the Blood Raiders, and now fight the Drifters? At least let us take one at a time! I swear the longer I spend in this madhouse the less everyone makes sense.
Are you kidding me??
We're a bunch of psychotic immortals with a web of relationships, influence and skullduggery thats so complex it resembles something produced by sticking a food mixer in a box of loose thread and you expect things to make sense??
Does an alliance declaring their own Amarr emperor make sense?? Does fighting for that nutjob Sansha make sense?? Does starting a major interstellar war over a mistranslated word make sense?? Does breaking up an alliance with territory covering three regions over a single lost force recon ship make sense?? These are all things capsuleers have done.
CONCORD and the empires are right not to trust us, just as we are right never to trust them. They have no reason to tell us the truth about anything unless it suits their agenda, just as we do to each other. Its one of the main reasons I stay in low sec, most pirates are at least honest about wanting to screw you over for their own profit.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome
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Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
275
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Posted - 2015.05.09 01:07:06 -
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And yet we are not the ones imprisoning baseliner reporters. We are not the one interfering with transmissions that regard the safety of everyone. We are immortal. The Drifters are a plaything for us. Do they have to blow up a planet before anyone realizes that the true enemy are those who seek to enable this new threat?
Yes we have done some fairly crazy things, but we are the only ones actually doing something about this. The golden fleet is mobilizing to defend their space. Clearly they agree this is a threat.
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Deceiver's Echo
True Resource Acquisition Corporation
49
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Posted - 2015.05.09 01:17:59 -
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Ashterothi wrote:Do they have to blow up a planet before anyone realizes that the true enemy are those who seek to enable this new threat? If the Drifters blow up a planet, then they are the threat. Not those who, in your eyes, enable the threat. CONCORD is not enabling this threat. They are dealing with the threat in the few ways they are allowed to by the Empires. I guess a question I would have is this; is it right to cause panic?
That is what the release of information outside of normal channels has done. The need for calm outweighs the need for information if that information is not complete. I agree that the arrest of those who leaked the information is a bad decision, and does not make the situation better. In fact, it has exacerbated the fear and frustration. However the decision has been made. Information has been gained. Sowing distrust and anger towards authorities will not help the situation. Calmly addressing concerns, and outlining preferred course of action is.
I understand the fear many are feeling. Now is the time to be calm. Now is the time, if you so choose, to prepare. Trust that if we are attacked by this new threat there will be retaliation, and it will be swift. We will adapt and move forward. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
46
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Posted - 2015.05.09 01:35:33 -
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CONCORD seems to habe gotten itself ***-backwards.
The CONCORD Assembly exists to both enforce peace and law in the cluster. And yet, it seems instead of amswering to the empires collectively (as it should be) the empires answer more and more to them.
I don't think CONCORD needs to be abolished entirely, merely renewed and restored to its original purpose. Namely, law enforcement and a representative assembly for the empires.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
112
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Posted - 2015.05.09 02:17:02 -
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The Unbound are not to be trusted. They are no greater then humans, aka 'baseliners'.
But I trust that this is all a part of God's plan. Let his will be done. |
Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
435
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Posted - 2015.05.09 03:42:07 -
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Ashterothi wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:It is clear from this thread that it is CONCORD that you have no trust in, not the empires. The empires are not to blame for CONCORD's activities. CONCORD does not represent the empires, and it hasn't for a long time. The Empires grant CONCORD their authority. And also house several other organizations that seem to be involved in this. If they wish to be upfront, they should side with us and assist in the exposing of the darkness they are hiding. Although I fight for the Federation, there are questions throughout. It is time for the Empires to prove not only their trustworthiness to Empyreans, but their loyalty to the safety of their citizens.
Let us also not forget that it is not just SOE wreckage we found in Thera. There is also Thukker wreckage, which Sanmatar Shakor claimed was destroyed at SL-YBS when in fact it was not, and he now refuses to comment upon because it is in effect a state secret. And today we know why. The Empires are not innocent in this.
Author of Interstellar Privateer
Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
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Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
436
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Posted - 2015.05.09 03:47:44 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:And what would you have us do? Fight CONCORD, fight the Minmatar, fight the Gallente, fight the Sansha, fight the Blood Raiders, and now fight the Drifters? At least let us take one at a time! I swear the longer I spend in this madhouse the less everyone makes sense.
The Drifters come to fight you, whether you wish it or not.
Author of Interstellar Privateer
Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
960
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Posted - 2015.05.09 08:51:34 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:This is not a call for power; it is a call for the DED and Sisters to release information on the Tyrannos that has been hidden from us. Without knowing the truth about these entities, we cannot determine the correct course of action.
What makes you think capsuleers would be any good at determining a course of action, sir ?
Capsuleers ?
That must be a joke. |
iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
248
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Posted - 2015.05.09 09:30:12 -
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Funny thing Borkstar, a couple of weeks ago you were claiming to BE part of DED....
seems your claims are mutually exclusive there.
Unless you are saying you were telling everyone not to trust you either. Which would probably be in everyone's best interest.
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
845
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Posted - 2015.05.09 10:08:17 -
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I fail to see how the State has done anything in the current situation to justify a loss of trust. I will say that, given the revelations of the Eifyr & Co.'s inability to communicate important information, I am less inclined to trust them. But they are a Republic corporation.
Perhaps Mr. Tukoss would have been better off staying with Zainu. |
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Frenjo Borkstar
Viziam
68
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Posted - 2015.05.09 11:28:11 -
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iyammarrok wrote: Funny thing Borkstar, a couple of weeks ago you were claiming to BE part of DED....
I've explained my reasoning for that, it's called, a distraction. And it's actually working. Anyway,
The DED, and by extension CONCORD itself, and the four empires have been deliberately withholding information not just from us, but from eachother. Even going so far as to call in agencies like the SoE and the SoCT who are sometimes as violent as us.
I advise the DED to release the Scope reporters, as that is a violation of the Yulai convention. And I also advise them to start telling us the truth, or just start talking.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1141
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Posted - 2015.05.09 12:08:08 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:iyammarrok wrote: Funny thing Borkstar, a couple of weeks ago you were claiming to BE part of DED....
I've explained my reasoning for that, it's called, a distraction. And it's actually working. Anyway, The DED, and by extension CONCORD itself, and the four empires have been deliberately withholding information not just from us, but from eachother. Even going so far as to call in agencies like the SoE and the SoCT who are sometimes as violent as us. I advise the DED to release the Scope reporters, as that is a violation of the Yulai convention. And I also advise them to start telling us the truth, or just start talking.
As previously stated the power of intelligence gathering operations is in a potential enemy not knowing how much you are aware of. Disseminating such information at this time may well do more damage than good. I suggest preparing for the worst but not encouraging rash decision making.
Of course the Empires keep information from each other. The citizens of each Empire would expect this! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1776
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Posted - 2015.05.09 13:15:36 -
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I'm not defending anyone here but... - Just because we don't see them do anything versus the Drifters doesnt means there are no actions taken. - The Scope journalists being detained by DED, yet every day across all New Eden many journalist are killed/imprisoned for doing there job and no one gives a damn. - And "withholding crucial information" sometimes releasing such leads to food shortage, riots and so on and in the end nothing bad happens in relation to those informations.
Sometimes i have an impression most of you forget in what reality we are actually living in.
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
960
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Posted - 2015.05.09 14:26:25 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote: Anyway,
The DED, and by extension CONCORD itself, and the four empires have been deliberately withholding information not just from us, but from eachother. Even going so far as to call in agencies like the SoE and the SoCT who are sometimes as violent as us.
I advise the DED to release the Scope reporters, as that is a violation of the Yulai convention. And I also advise them to start telling us the truth, or just start talking.
After repeated fiascos like the Jovian body parts blunder, I am not sure that I could blame CONCORD to rely on more... serious and acknowledged organizations to do that kind of job...
Also : if it violates or not the Yulai convention is a matter that should be settled in court by justice, I think that none of us have enough legal knowledge on the matter. |
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