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Conflict Engaged
Southern Collective The Southern Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.05.11 14:31:49 -
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Hello o7. What will be the arrangements regarding EVE TV? Will it be a thing this year? If so is it the same deal as last time? |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
883
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Posted - 2015.05.12 15:44:35 -
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It's going to be a little different this year.
The first weekend (which in the previous tournaments was the first two weekends, just put together) will not be broadcast.
The second and third weekends will have a full studio broadcast as per the finals weekends in previous tournaments.
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Rayo Atra
Unkindness Incorporated No Not Believing
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Posted - 2015.05.14 02:14:11 -
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so no stream at all of the first weekend?
Also...if this hasnt happened yet....
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General Vachot
The Vendunari End of Life
5
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Posted - 2015.05.14 06:43:08 -
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Even if not broadcast can you seriously still record the fights and stream - its why we compete. Also great for debreifing purposes and fun to watch how badly you sucked during a tournament. |
Rayo Atra
Unkindness Incorporated No Not Believing
95
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:40:56 -
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I would hope the underlying idea is to have a higher level of production the last two weeks. CCP have been making slow positive strides into polishing these types of things. The o7 show is great fun, and the Worlds Collide match was excellent, minus a few foibles. only perfect practice makes perfect here guys. :]
Even so, do some sort of half ass stream. I set aside, billions, time, and intoxicants for this every year. There are people I only really interact with during tourny, space i only hang out in during this time, and so much isk to win and lose.
This would also blow for a team that is entering the AT for the first time and loses out early. You finally make it the biggest PVP event in the game, and its seen by no one but your killer, and your neck-bearded mother looking over your shoulder.
Stepping backward in available content in one of the largest customer facing events per annum is just such a bad idea.
Ok ill level with you, I work on Saturdays and have absolutely nothing to do...fresh content makes us greedy.
Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.
-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
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Conflict Engaged
Southern Collective The Southern Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:26:58 -
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Rayo Atra wrote:I would hope the underlying idea is to have a higher level of production the last two weeks. CCP have been making slow positive strides into polishing these types of things. The o7 show is great fun, and the Worlds Collide match was excellent, minus a few foibles. only perfect practice makes perfect here guys. :]
Even so, do some sort of half ass stream. I set aside billions, time, and intoxicants for this every year. There are people I only really interact with during tourny, space i only hang out in during this time, and so much isk to win and lose.
This would also blow for a team that is entering the AT for the first time and loses out early. You finally make it the biggest PVP event in the game, and its seen by no one but your killer, and your neck-bearded mother looking over your shoulder.
Stepping backward in available content in one of the largest customer facing events per annum is just such a bad idea.
Ok ill level with you, I work on Saturdays and have absolutely nothing to do...fresh content makes us greedy. I agree with this. Each year after every AT, new alliances are dedicated to getting their name out there, and train up for the following AT. I can guarantee those building up for this one will be gutted. |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:23:23 -
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You'll still be able to see the results of the matches through CREST for the first weekend.
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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:53:15 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:You'll still be able to see the results of the matches through CREST for the first weekend. I seem tobhave missed the reasoning behind why this change is happening. Why is it this way this year please? |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
897
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Posted - 2015.05.15 16:34:56 -
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Kaelynne Rose wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:You'll still be able to see the results of the matches through CREST for the first weekend. I seem tobhave missed the reasoning behind why this change is happening. Why is it this way this year please?
4 weekends in a row of broadcasting hasn't really been sustainable in the past - it's a lot of effort especially when everyone involved is also working regular work weeks. Going down to two weekends allows us to properly focus our resources on the full studio weekends. As we're not broadcasting on the first two weekends, this also gives us the opportunity to compress that into a single weekend which will hopefully also make it easier on the teams competing as they now only need to commit to three weekends instead of four.
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LtCol Laurentius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.15 18:05:01 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:It's going to be a little different this year.
The first weekend (which in the previous tournaments was the first two weekends, just put together) will not be broadcast.
The second and third weekends will have a full studio broadcast as per the finals weekends in previous tournaments.
Very disappointing. In other words, AT XIII will be a twoo weekend event involving just 32 teams. Because that is the practical impact of no coverage. |
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Sivor Detmen
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction -affliction-
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Posted - 2015.05.16 16:50:29 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:It's going to be a little different this year.
The first weekend (which in the previous tournaments was the first two weekends, just put together) will not be broadcast.
The second and third weekends will have a full studio broadcast as per the finals weekends in previous tournaments.
Some sort of stream even without proper broadcast team and commentators would be far better than nothing. The alliance tournament is huge effort for everyone involved in it and part of the reward is to be able to see yourself after. It's the "I was there feeling".
Removing that possibility for teams that are eliminated in the first rounds its a big disappointment.
Everyone understands that a proper broadcast for 4 weekends is hard, but a lack of any stream for the first rounds shouldn't be an option. |
LT Alter
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction -affliction-
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Posted - 2015.05.17 09:18:31 -
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I don't know much about where the stresses come from in hosting the alliance tournament, but I wanted to throw this idea out there. Because, as many other players, I feel that it's important that there be a commentary and video broadcast of each match.
So, the initial weeks matches aren't being live broadcasted because it's too much work to do four weekends in a row of broadcasting and it's impossible to fit so many matches into one weekend of live broadcasting without running multiple matches simultaneously. I propose that you record them separately as the matches occur simultaneously. Either have commentators watch each match live (Which would require more commentators), or have the commentators watch the recordings (Without being privy to the results, of course) after the matches have finished. Then, post the recorded matches, with commentary, to YouTube.
This allows players to get a similar experience to the live broadcast without CCP actually having to broadcast the matches live. The work may not be less in amount, but CCP wouldn't be required to do it all in one stretch and the work could be strung out over more hours and even more days if needed. Personally, I'd much prefer having the match recordings shown a couple days late than to not have them at all. |
The Primary Target
It's All Ogre Now.
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Posted - 2015.05.17 09:20:03 -
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If the problem is that, "4 weekends in a row of broadcasting hasn't really been sustainable." then perhaps it would work to insert a break week after the second week. Where, weeks one and two cover the initial matches, then week three has no matches, and weeks four and five have the remaining matches of the tournament. |
Greygal
Redemption Road Affirmative.
431
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Posted - 2015.05.18 05:57:03 -
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I must admit I'm finding the switch back to three weekends to be somewhat ironic and amusing :)
ATX was four weekends.
ATXI was moved back to three weekends, due to (what I understand) it being too much work for people to spend their entire weekends on the tourney while also working regular jobs for four weekends in a row
ATXII was moved back out to four weekends, because (as stated on forums somewhere) it was too exhausting running 64 matches each day over two days of the first weekend; each day was extremely long for everyone involved.
Now, ATXIII is moving back to three weekends, because spreading it over four weeks is too much but to reduce how long a day it is, matches apparently will be run two at a time.
As to streaming the first weekend, please, reconsider and stream it. So much of what makes the Alliance Tournament such a joy to watch (and be in) is that first weekend! It's where the meta works itself out, where the hysterically funny matches are most commonly seen, the biggest mistakes, upsets, WTF moments, and, of course, just fail fights, happen.
You don't need to set up official commentators if you don't want, it can be just as simple as a single camera character AFK at the center of the arena, set up with as good a view of the entire arena as possible, tactical overlay in the corner like usual, and the usual bottom third showing names/ship types/etc. Obviously, there'd likely have to be two streams, since you'll have two arenas running concurrently.
Players can just watch it without commentary, or, as I imagine if you made something like this available would happen, some players would set up Teamspeak/Mumble channels for people to join and commentate and discuss what they are watching as it happens.
Heck, you could even set it up so that whoever the official player commentators are stream and commentate the first weekend from their homes, giving them invaluable "practice" for the "real thing" of the last two weekends.
At a minimum, please record and make available the fights ASAP. Viewing the fights through CREST is helpful, but it's not the same thing, not at all.
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Enso Nibbana
Brahman
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Posted - 2015.05.18 07:41:07 -
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I also am interested in viewing the matches. |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
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Posted - 2015.05.21 12:30:06 -
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The decision to NOT broadcast the first weekend is indeed a step backwards imo. Imagine the first third of the Olympics with an empty stadium and not broadcasted on TV. The point of the AT is entertainment and for the competitors to show off their skills to the general public. No one likes performing to an empty audience. Imagine fanfest with the first day of presentations performed behind closed doors and all we get is a devblog. It's the same thing.
So "quality" or not, I would still take the cut in webcam+mic of a commentator as opposed to none at all.
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Mystic Rebel
Russian Thunder Squad The Afterlife.
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Posted - 2015.05.28 00:37:36 -
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That's something I don't get at all.
There is a plenty of players who would be volunteering to broadcast and comment first weekend on their own twitch/youtube channels, even in different languages. This doesn't have to be official at all.
So why not give them 1 day 0 sig radius shuttles with "GM cloak" and let community get what they want?
These could be some trustworthy well known players, who have good reputation of experienced pvpers within the community, or have been streaming or making pvp vids for some long time yet. |
raspil
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.05.28 20:52:03 -
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I don't get why you would even bother with the first 2 weekends if you aren't going to stream, far more people watch the tournament than enter. Even if you can't muster together a single commentator you could still stream the match / upload to YouTube. Put out a shout to the community and you will get help. Even if you don't steam live you can still cobble together some commentary after the match.... not as much fun but better than nothing.
Get some support from pilots who already stream / play Eve. |
Greygal
Redemption Road Affirmative.
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Posted - 2015.05.28 22:27:53 -
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Obviously, I +1 to the above comments :)
Just think of the entertainment value of everyone adapting that first weekend to the new rules and changes!
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Akura Mikio
BIO'S SHADOW
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Posted - 2015.05.29 00:34:47 -
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Should be able to spectate through the ingame client somehow, would probably be easy to implement and wouldn't cause any extra effort for CCP on the first weekend. |
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Kadesh Priestess
This Game Is Terrible Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.05.29 07:54:08 -
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Akura Mikio wrote:Should be able to spectate through the ingame client somehow, would probably be easy to implement and wouldn't cause any extra effort for CCP on the first weekend. yeah ez pz, why didn't CCP think about it earlier probably just couple of hours of coding right? |
yyy
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.29 11:39:08 -
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So CCP have gone to all the bother of setting up a studio to broadcast from at their headquarters and put together the o2 show on twitch, and have then decided not to broadcast the very event that most players tune in to watch????
Is the AT still the premium yearly event or not?
If it's not worth broadcasting then it's not worth watching. |
blazigen
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.06.02 10:42:11 -
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yyy wrote:So CCP have gone to all the bother of setting up a studio to broadcast from at their headquarters and put together the o2 show on twitch, and have then decided not to broadcast the very event that most players tune in to watch????
Is the AT still the premium yearly event or not?
If it's not worth broadcasting then it's not worth watching.
what that one said ^ |
CpHarding
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.04 20:54:44 -
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Would it be possible to record the fights and put them up on YouTube, even if they can't be streamed? Would still allow multiple fights at a time (hence the compression) and yet would still let players see the fights (even if its a day late) |
Kazi Kugisa
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:16:17 -
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So first no New Eden Open and now no streaming of the first weekends matches at all? Doing a heck of a job killing interest in the big events CCP! |
Lucas Padecain
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.06.05 16:01:57 -
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As everyone else has mentioned, this is pretty disappointing. Watching through Crest doesn't come close to watching the real thing. |
Kazi Kugisa
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2015.06.05 20:47:40 -
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I really want to add one more comment on why CREST is a poor substitute. EVE is a social game and the AT is a big social event. For the last New Eden Open and AT, I watched the streams, joined the live chat with others and really enjoyed the experience of talking with everyone about what was happened because the stream was pretty much at the same time for everyone. The first rounds actually pulled me into wanting to do more PVP. But that was watching live with others. CREST is delayed data. Even if you try to watch using CREST, assuming the sites that run it could even support 10% of the load that watches the Twitch streams (which I doubt), you aren't going to have the same experience because any attempt to have the same real-time chatting will be a disjointed mess.
This is essentially taking half of some of the best entertainment and turning it into something from the telegraph/tape delay era of sports. It's really like taking the first week of the NCAA March Madness Basketball Tournament (and all the crazy stuff that happens on that weekend) or the group stage of the World Cup and saying it won't be on TV at all but you can watch a replay on an internet gamecast about ten minutes delayed if the website works. Any fool would see how dumb that it is. This is really the same level of foolishness. |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2015.06.11 21:36:27 -
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While I'm sad that the first weekend won't be broadcast, I completely understand why after being on the inside of it the last two years.
Saying that ATXI was exhausting is an epic understatement. Perhaps in part because the studio that year was a sauna where a chocolate bar would have melted before you could open the wrapper, but those days were brutally long, and I can remember that the pilots on various teams felt the same way. As I recall Pandemic Legion were so exhausted by the time they got to the finals there was talk of them wanting to just forfeit and take second place so they could go to bed.
ATXII was more manageable, but the sheer number of people involved in the production alone is reason enough not to do it. In addition, these are people who give up their weekends for three weeks or a month depending. The commentators would arrive at the CCP offices at 11 am or so as I recall, and the GMs and devs were there well before us for the most part. Obviously, we didn't leave until late in the evening, and the GMs and devs were typically there for a while after we had left shutting things down for the night. |
Callduron
Bearded BattleBears Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.06.15 03:59:15 -
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I'm trying to figure out whether we'll be on Eve TV or not.
It's double elimination. So that means - I think - we play at least 2 matches no matter what.
Is one match played on the first weekend and then the losers' bracket on the second or could both matches be played on the first weekend.
Not sure whether we'll need our Hello Mum T-shirts.
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Greygal
Redemption Road Affirmative.
443
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Posted - 2015.06.15 05:20:29 -
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Callduron wrote:I'm trying to figure out whether we'll be on Eve TV or not.
It's double elimination. So that means - I think - we play at least 2 matches no matter what.
Is one match played on the first weekend and then the losers' bracket on the second or could both matches be played on the first weekend.
Not sure whether we'll need our Hello Mum T-shirts.
Based on what they said in the original dev blog, your first two matches are during the first weekend.
If they follow (and likely they will) the usual way of doing the first two rounds, you will have one match on Saturday, and one match on Sunday.
Hopefully some sort of alternative broadcasting of the fights will be set up (pretty please CCP!)... but ya, if you lose both your first matches, you won't be on EveTV.
Which would be a shame, cause I'd love to watch Brave's first two fights!!
Guess this means, Callduron, that Brave needs to win at least one, to make it to the second weekend!
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