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Cold Gorilla
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Roxanna Kell if any race is at a disadvantage is Caladari atm
LOL?
you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
Sad they nerfed your JavelinMultispecStabRavens?
Roxanna kell doesn't fly Ravens
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DarkElf
Caldari Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: DarkElf on 10/11/2006 12:36:34
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: DarkElf 4 heavy nos and 4 mega pulse is the only laser viable setup i can see.
this kinda setup should do ok.
DE
errr a, because the 2 setups do 2 completely different things, and b, because u can't effectively use 8 lasers because of cap issues which is the whole point of this thread and this way u can still make use of it's bonus's.
DE
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Roxanna Kell you are just a retard i take it, iam not referring to PVE.
The Amarr have only two tech 1 ships that don't suck, the Armageddon and Maller.
The Caldari have the Kestrel, Caracal, Ferox, Drake, Scorpion, Raven, and now the uber Rokh.
Its not even a contest.
Puni, Arbi, Proph. . . All decent ships with drawbacks that make them interesting to fly but not utterly nerfed. - - - - - - - - - -
Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf Edited by: DarkElf on 10/11/2006 12:36:34
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: DarkElf 4 heavy nos and 4 mega pulse is the only laser viable setup i can see.
this kinda setup should do ok.
DE
Why not fly an Apoc with 8 guns then? Or use AC's?
errr a, because the 2 setups do 2 completely different things, and b, because u can't effectively use 8 lasers because of cap issues which is the whole point of this thread and this way u can still make use of it's bonus's.
DE
Yes, but a 33% DPS boost on 4 lasers is equivelent to 5.32 lasers and uses 5.32 lasers worth of cap. An Apoc with 8 lasers shoots equivelent to 8 lasers and uses 4 lasers worth of cap. An Apoc with 6 Lasers uses 3 lasers worth of cap and still has the 2 highslots to use NOS[combined with its higher cap]
So you arent effectivly making use of its unless you have more effective lasers than 8. And truely you arent making use of its bonus unless you have more effective lasers than 9.31 because that is how many the geddon has.
If you want to use the 25% resist bonus you might as well just use AC's because the apoc with 6 lasers and 2 nos will probably be just as good, or 8 AC's and a big ol tank.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:25:00 -
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AC Abaddon makes some sense if you only have Minmatar BS 4 or below. With Minmatar BS 5, there'd be no reason not to fly an AC Tempest instead.
So to answer the OP, Mining Laser II 4tw...
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven AC Abaddon makes some sense if you only have Minmatar BS 4 or below. With Minmatar BS 5, there'd be no reason not to fly an AC Tempest instead.
So to answer the OP, Mining Laser II 4tw...
AC tempest doesnt get an armor resist bonus. And it does more damage with AC's than the Abaddon at BC 3[barely].
So the point is to make a good tank, not nessesary to do great damage.
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DarkElf
Caldari Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:32:00 -
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Have you ever tried fittings 8 megapulse II's with a tank and other stuff on an apoc? doesn't happen. also we are not just talking about pure dps here. the power of 4 heavy nos can sometimes be the only thing that can break difficult eanmII tanks with em and therm dmg.
DE
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Toaster Oven on 10/11/2006 13:59:48
Originally by: Goumindong AC tempest doesnt get an armor resist bonus. And it does more damage with AC's than the Abaddon at BC 3[barely].
So the point is to make a good tank, not nessesary to do great damage.
I could care less how well a ship can tank and do nothing else. I'm interested in how it performs as a whole. Compare overall attributes, including damage. Damage btw will be virtually equal between Abaddon with 2 dmg mods versus Tmpest with 1 dmg mod and BS 5. What do you get in return?
Tempest 27% better base speed (175m/s vs 137.5m/s) 38% better MWD speed (1358.4m/s vs 984m/s) 14.3% more cargo space (600m3 vs 525m3) 27.7% smaller sig radius (340m vs 470m) 26.2% more cap to tank (Tempest 89 cap/s with base recharge + 2 heavy NOS + Heavy Electrochemical vs Abbadon 70.5 cap/s with base recharge + Heavy Electrochemical) 17.6% better scan resolution (125mm vs 106.25mm) + 1 extra mid slot to fit jammer/disruptor to cut down damage + 2 heavy NOS to help break opponent's tank
Abaddon 25% resist bonus to armor
So sorry all factors considered I don't see Abaddon tanking noticeably better unless you dedicate all of it's low slots to tanking. In which case it's just an expensive, rather toothless, meatshield. For PVP purposes it would get stomped by an AC Tempest.
And to all you Minmatar fanboys out there, the comparison is in no way meant to say Tempest should be nerfed. Just that it makes a far better AC platform than Abbadon, which it rightly should.
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf Have you ever tried fittings 8 megapulse II's with a tank and other stuff on an apoc? doesn't happen. also we are not just talking about pure dps here. the power of 4 heavy nos can sometimes be the only thing that can break difficult eanmII tanks with em and therm dmg.
DE
Actually, that is part of my standard mission set up. I will swap one MPL2 for an Officer SB but 8 MPL is easy with a good tank. 3xEANM2s DC and 2 Repps svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Idara
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.10 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Idara on 10/11/2006 14:14:52
Originally by: Cold Gorilla Roxanna kell doesn't fly Ravens
Guess I was generalizing about Burn Eden, ya know, like how get she was generalizing that the Caldari suck because of Kali. And this thread wasn't about the Caldari not having the best command ship etc, it was about the Abaddon. I don't care she doesn't fly Ravens.
Oh and thanks for the EVEmail Roxanna, I shall treasure it forever to remind how some people just can't leave forum smack on the forums
Originally by: Roxanna Kell R T A R D
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