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Vanesa Garcia
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:58:00 -
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CCP - ping? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | There are people kinda "living" and people kinda "dead" | ----------------------------------------------------- |
The Slayer
Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:55:00 -
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Can a Mod confirm that this has been brought to CCPS attention and that they know this is an important issue that we want a comment on?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 13/11/2006 13:49:26 Edited by: Venkul Mul on 13/11/2006 13:49:11
Originally by: Peri Helion
Originally by: Sylvia Frost Ok,
So months ago I blow some poor bastard up and scoop his loot with my alt. Low and behold it has a Expander 1 BPO. This was months ago.
So, it has been sitting in my alts hanger and I just now realize I have it. It didnt change to TII. Should it have?
You know what the real kicker is? You will NEVER know if this was a bugged transformation that did not occur (like the guy several pages up whose T1 BPO was in production and therefore didnt get upgraded) or in reality a basic that was converted. Why? Because you had no clue to even go look since you (and I imagine every other player) had no reason to expect there would be a magic wand of T1 BPO transformation waved to create the T2 BPOs.
Personally, I blame the Jove. Must be their idea of a sick joke.
She can go in Sisi and check here, as apparently the change was only in Tranquility.
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Karodnotos
Caldari SOM
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:04:00 -
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Devs definition of asap (note: this thread is more than 2 years old): Linkage _____________ Eve Wiki |
Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:29:00 -
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One of our guys looted his BPO a while back and it wasnt upgraded to T2. Was the upgrade selective and only a random number of people?
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Jennifer Meek
Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 13/11/2006 14:37:12
Originally by: Rawthorm One of our guys looted his BPO a while back and it wasnt upgraded to T2. Was the upgrade selective and only a random number of people?
He looted a basic bpo. There was only around 20 Expander I BPO's, and so far, I have seen over 30 people claim their BPO's didnt upgrade to T2. Bunch of liars.
.. Make that 31 (including you)
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DeMundus
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: DeMundus on 13/11/2006 14:46:09
Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 13/11/2006 14:37:12
Originally by: Rawthorm One of our guys looted his BPO a while back and it wasnt upgraded to T2. Was the upgrade selective and only a random number of people?
He looted a basic bpo. There was only around 20 Expander I BPO's, and so far, I have seen over 30 people claim their BPO's didnt upgrade to T2. Bunch of liars.
.. Make that 31 (including you)
Fist of all no1 is lieing here - It says "Expanded Cargohold I blueprint" and its a Bpo, it does not say "Basic" Iam just tryieng to clearify thing not cheat myself into a t2. Ohh and older than 1+ year. Thx Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy |
Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:43:00 -
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Mine hasn't, and if you'd like to stop calling people liars and meet me in-game I'll even show it to you.
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Laendra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:49:00 -
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Can the OP put KALI, BREE, EVETV or FANFEST in the topic so that a Dev will look at it? Seems to be the only way to get a dev response anymore. ------------------- |
Silver Lady
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: DeMundus Edited by: DeMundus on 13/11/2006 14:46:09
Originally by: Jennifer Meek Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 13/11/2006 14:37:12
Originally by: Rawthorm One of our guys looted his BPO a while back and it wasnt upgraded to T2. Was the upgrade selective and only a random number of people?
He looted a basic bpo. There was only around 20 Expander I BPO's, and so far, I have seen over 30 people claim their BPO's didnt upgrade to T2. Bunch of liars.
.. Make that 31 (including you)
Fist of all no1 is lieing here - It says "Expanded Cargohold I blueprint" and its a Bpo, it does not say "Basic" Iam just tryieng to clearify thing not cheat myself into a t2. Ohh and older than 1+ year. Thx
That's because all basic bpos got converted into T1, so if you have a T1 expanded cargo bpo, it used to be a basic but was upgraded.
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DeMundus
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:51:00 -
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Ok that might be it, but pls next time ccp changes my stuff, id like to know from them. Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy |
Taryn Ceridwen
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:51:00 -
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A Dev has responded to another thread at 1201 today regarding the release date of Kali, but still no official comment at all on this issue. What does that tell us?
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Laendra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Taryn Ceridwen A Dev has responded to another thread at 1201 today regarding the release date of Kali, but still no official comment at all on this issue. What does that tell us?
That the Devs aren't smart enough to say "Hey, we've seen the topic, but we are holding internal discussions on what to do/not do to address the situation. Once we come up with a proper, well-thought out response, we will make an announcement." ------------------- |
Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:08:00 -
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this thread will be locked
just wait
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control." |
Laendra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Father Weebles this thread will be locked
just wait
Yeah, that is the typical CCP response to something they don't want to deal with...lock the thread to make it go away, then delete the ones that come up afterwards. ------------------- |
Katana Sengoku
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Katana Sengoku on 13/11/2006 18:26:10 This is such a pathetic display of leadership on CCPs part. That's all I really have to say.
players: We want answers. CCP: You want the truth? players: We want the truth! CCP: You can't handle the truth!
Alteast in the movies someone would be held accountable.
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Sunshine Sally
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:00:00 -
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Does this still not have a Dev post?????
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:31:00 -
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Let's take a look at this again.
-Old-time BPO 'winners' got a T1 BPO. Now it's a T2 BPO. Like all the other winners. -Cargo expanders drop like candy from rats, especially serps. -Basic CEs suck, and now they're banished. Fabulous. -T2 expanders are being nerfed anyway. -"Making billions" only works if people are stupid enough to buy.
I don't see a problem here. Move along. ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Irrilian
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshine Sally Does this still not have a Dev post?????
Well, they're probably either:
a) Nursing hangovers. b) being nursed for fanfest related injuries. c) being the designated sober dev through the fanfest making up for lost time. d) Busy with talks to White Wolf. e) drawing lots for who has to come up with a plausible sounding explanation. f) trying to work out themselves why this went live. g) running a pool on how long this thread will remain active before the next big fuss catches peoples ire.
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Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Let's take a look at this again.
-Old-time BPO 'winners' got a T1 BPO. Now it's a T2 BPO. Like all the other winners.
Expect they go from having a rich monopoly on a okay item, to having a extremely rich monopoly on one of the most sought after bpos... by doing nothing. As opposed to the 1000's wondering why they were told to do research in this field to be in a lottery.
Quote: -Cargo expanders drop like candy from rats, especially serps.
Not a point that matters anywhere in this issue.
Quote: -Basic CEs suck, and now they're banished. Fabulous.
Except that it was the only manufactured cargo exp anyone could buy and make. Also, pretty pointless in the overall discussion here.
Quote: -T2 expanders are being nerfed anyway.
No one knows for sure. Currently they have a better percentage in game than on test server. Yet, another dumb point to try and make your argument work.
Quote: -"Making billions" only works if people are stupid enough to buy.
I think it has more to do with the rare bpos, than people buying. Again, doesn't fit in the argument, that CCP lied about this whole issue and players got hosed.
Quote: I don't see a problem here. Move along.
Yes, you please move along... you made no valued opinions at all on the matter.
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.14 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: Nicocat Let's take a look at this again.
-Old-time BPO 'winners' got a T1 BPO. Now it's a T2 BPO. Like all the other winners.
Expect they go from having a rich monopoly on a okay item, to having a extremely rich monopoly on one of the most sought after bpos... by doing nothing. As opposed to the 1000's wondering why they were told to do research in this field to be in a lottery.
Quote: -Cargo expanders drop like candy from rats, especially serps.
Not a point that matters anywhere in this issue.
Quote: -Basic CEs suck, and now they're banished. Fabulous.
Except that it was the only manufactured cargo exp anyone could buy and make. Also, pretty pointless in the overall discussion here.
Quote: -T2 expanders are being nerfed anyway.
No one knows for sure. Currently they have a better percentage in game than on test server. Yet, another dumb point to try and make your argument work.
Quote: -"Making billions" only works if people are stupid enough to buy.
I think it has more to do with the rare bpos, than people buying. Again, doesn't fit in the argument, that CCP lied about this whole issue and players got hosed.
Quote: I don't see a problem here. Move along.
Yes, you please move along... you made no valued opinions at all on the matter.
Funny, I think "Waaaaah, this doesn't benefit me, waaaaah!" is less valued than "Eh, who cares?" And y'all let that one slide for 11 pages ;) ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2006.11.14 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat Let's take a look at this again.
-Old-time BPO 'winners' got a T1 BPO. Now it's a T2 BPO. Like all the other winners. -Cargo expanders drop like candy from rats, especially serps. -Basic CEs suck, and now they're banished. Fabulous. -T2 expanders are being nerfed anyway. -"Making billions" only works if people are stupid enough to buy.
I don't see a problem here. Move along.
So... let's say CE I BPOs were seeded through the proto-lottery system - unavailable for purchase on the market.
Okay... people use them a fair amount - there's named items that are better, but there's no produceable T2 version. People make a decent amount of profit.
Trading... inevitably happens. X Corp doesn't need the print anymore and sells it to Y Corp for Profit*1yr (just pulling a default price out of my hat). Fair enough, that's a normal market transaction.
Poof... CE I BPOs turn into CE II BPOs. Now, people use them more than a fair amount. Y Corp's "investment" just increased in a way that X Corp never expected.
So no, this wouldn't be fair to those who "earned" a CE I BPO, if they subsequently sold it for then-market value.
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Peri Helion
Amarr Omega Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Irrilian
Originally by: Sunshine Sally Does this still not have a Dev post?????
Well, they're probably either:
a) Nursing hangovers. b) being nursed for fanfest related injuries. c) being the designated sober dev through the fanfest making up for lost time. d) Busy with talks to White Wolf. e) drawing lots for who has to come up with a plausible sounding explanation. f) trying to work out themselves why this went live. g) running a pool on how long this thread will remain active before the next big fuss catches peoples ire.
Unfortunately I don't think the reason is listed here. Despite our disappointment and how easy it is to say "they are stupid" or "drunk" I don't beleve either is the case. Look how quickly they reacted to the "all BPCs look like BPOs and vice versa" bug.
No, the sad truth is they are aware of the change, they have knowingly made the change, and they have no intention of explaining it until long after (if ever). They have their reasons and believe they are acting in the best interest of the game. It is a bit damaging to loyal players that a company that prides itself on such open communication as is obviously demonstrated by the depth and frequency of information shared with the players via Blogs will not deign to respond to this thread.
In a word it is shameful.
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Deathdealerdoc
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Deathdealerdoc on 14/11/2006 07:33:27
I don't think they were drunk, stupid, or anything like that. They most likely just said hey the owners of these t1 lottery bpos already won the lottery we are going to up them to t2 instead of making their bpo worthless. This ticked off the people who have been researching in the fields of these items big time because it was time wasted, but it would have really ticked off the t1 item holders who won the lotto and would be out big time when the items they won got turned into worthless crap when their bpos were seeded. No win situation for ccp your going to **** someone off.
Micro bpo holders? Well to be honest most of the micro items werenÆt that good and ccp probably has decided to phase them out, save time not working on them for invention etc etc. Downside not all the micro bpos were crap and some were rare and used. Those of us that had those... got crap in return. The t2 holders of some of these items also got a lesser t2 bpo in return (micro battery II = good. small battery II = crap). So micro bpo holders really got ganked.
I can understand them not giving us forewarning about it but it would have been nice to at least got a:
"Hey sorry we had to put the screws to you, but it was the lesser of two evils"
So some of us get the shaft others just became billionaireÆs way it goes I suppose.
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Mazza
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:46:00 -
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BEHOLD THE CCP IMPRESSI0N OF THE OSTRICH!!!!!!!!!!
BURY YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY!!!!!!!!!
11 pages of comments on this thread CCP ur a F^&*king joke get ur heads out ur arses grow some balls and deal with this issue!!
this wall of silence crap just dont wash with us
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Aralis
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:00:00 -
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Utterly ludicrous. Deal with it CCP!
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Lord Frost
Minmatar The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:32:00 -
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Yet another day passes, and no reply. They have so much ego and selfishness, they can't be bothered to reply cause now it'll look like they've been painted into a corner and HAVE to talk about this. CCP wants to hold on to the power, and if they break down and talk, then the players would have won. Kind of like how an adult would train a dog. LOL.. I think it really does boil down to that. They have no definite answer that many would accept... so they rather forget it, and forget us... and make it known they are the masters here... what they say goes. Big*****s, big egos, big greed, fatter wallets, more disrespect to the players, less communication... all that ****.
Thanks CCP, for the biggest **** up to date, and not having the balls to explain it.
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Olivin
Gallente Aquarium
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:10:00 -
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This issue surely worth of CCP official responce and I am curious if it will be any. And we back on top.
Olivin
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Laendra
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:48:00 -
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Proposed Solution for Devs: Give the players that currently hold the Expanded Cargohold II and Shield Amplifier II BPOs(and any others that were magically converted) a 1000 run BPC of their respective item, and convert the BPOs back to T1 BPOs. The same goes for the Prototype Cloaking Device BPO holders, except make it 500 runs of Improved Cloaking Device II and 500 runs of Covert Ops Cloaking Device II...and change the build requirements of the Covert Cloaking Device II to use Prototype Cloaking Devices, and perhaps some more components equivalent to the ones used in the Improved Cloaking Device II to make up for the change.
After these changes are made, release the T1 BPOs onto the market in Kali 1. ------------------- |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:09:00 -
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Honestly for the cargo expander I a good solution would have been changing it to a limited hull expander BPO with stats a little less good than the T2 item, but T1 constuction time/metods. So a very good and useful BPO without problem for those reseaching the T2 version.
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