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Shukan 02
MINING CASTE OF GOR
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:21:43 -
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Greetings
I would like to start a general discussion about the Rorqual.
My thoughts, allow the use of the Rorqual in High Sec as a short term fix.
Anyone thoughts?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37206
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:28:01 -
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At Fanfest CCP Seagull mentioned that capitals will be looked at this year, in part I think because of a lot of unrest in the community about the recent nerfs, while still being a high skillpoint demand ship and pinnacle ship to aim for as a new pilot.
So I would hope for Rorqual pilots that it is included in that balance process and if the choice is to give capitals some grid affecting capability similar to wormhole effects, then some sort of effect on mining will hopefully be included.
I don't use one, so have no skin in the game on this, but I hope something is done for the ship. It's been a lame duck since the compression array introduction.
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Mr Grape Drink
Sugar - Water - Purple
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Posted - 2015.05.12 03:11:38 -
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Good place to start would be looking at its flaws, starting with the broken bonuses
1) Drone bonus 2) RR bonus 3) Survey/Cargo Scanner bonus 4) Tractor bonus 5) Has to be deployed to get better boosts
These may have been helpful a long time ago, when in deep null you had plenty of time to see somebody coming and plenty of time to gtfo. And when there were no mobile tractor units, or mobile depots, or tanky mining barges. But now with wormholes, black ops, super interceptors, there's too much risk to sit that much isk out there stuck in deployed mode when you could run an orca for 1/4 the cost, slightly less boosts, and be safely aligned out with a higgs rig like a boss.
Simply put its bonuses are all over the place making it not all that great at anything other than afk in a pos. It needs to be purely focused on mining in all aspects. Putting it into high sec wouldnt make it any better. It would just mean the orca would become useless as it could be safely outclassed by a rorq in every way.
My thoughts on how to fix it?
Compare it to the other capital ships. A dread get XL guns, a carrier gets XL reps, a JF gets XL cargohold. So following the trend, a rorqual get XL mining lasers, right? :D
It's also Gallente in design, so how about large/fighter sized mining drones? This would add the same risk/reward as a carrier out ratting in anoms. Sure you can align out and be safeish, but hey you may lose a bunch of expensive drones and not make much if you do it too much.
Get rid of the idea of being stuck to be useful. Who would try to market such a poor design on a mining related fragile ship!?!
Add bells and whistles that relate to mining
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8515
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:06:56 -
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Shukan 02 wrote:I would like to start a general discussion about the Rorqual.
There's nothing to discuss. It's a piece of crap and will stay a piece of crap for the foreseeable future. I haven't seen even a hint that CCP is in any way considering giving it some love any time soon.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Mr Grape Drink
Sugar - Water - Purple
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:23:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Shukan 02 wrote:I would like to start a general discussion about the Rorqual. There's nothing to discuss. It's a piece of crap and will stay a piece of crap for the foreseeable future. I haven't seen even a hint that CCP is in any way considering giving it some love any time soon. Mr Epeen
Theres only room for one Mr in this thread |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
1700
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:30:51 -
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I thought Rorqual is being phased out along with the old pos forcefield... |
Kashadin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:37:22 -
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sabre906 wrote:I thought Rorqual is being phased out along with the old pos forcefield...
The Rorqual was phased out before it was implemented. It had limited use with high efficiency mining groups operating in null but lets be honest, the thing was never very useful even before it become totally obsolete with the addition of a POS mod that did the same thing. |
Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2015.05.12 07:59:38 -
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a short term fix for what exactly? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 21:25:53 -
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First of all please try to use search option to find similar topics where pilots have already discussed a lot about the Rorqual's current issues.
Second and last this thread should be closed as redudndant post. |
Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
459
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Posted - 2015.05.13 00:03:59 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Shukan 02 wrote:I would like to start a general discussion about the Rorqual. There's nothing to discuss. It's a piece of crap and will stay a piece of crap for the foreseeable future. I haven't seen even a hint that CCP is in any way considering giving it some love any time soon. Mr Epeen
They've acknowledged it's "wonky" and in need of fixing. They've also acknowledged they won't be touching it any time soon |
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
231
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Posted - 2015.05.13 04:21:58 -
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The rorqual is the premier ship for one niche task........
Scaring the bejesus out of any fleet considering a hot drop. If Rorqual is in belt you know 4000 ships are waiting for you to take the bait.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
182
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Posted - 2015.05.13 04:28:35 -
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Forgot to mentioned the Rorq is still good to buy at low value and re-sell with some reasonable mark up. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1493
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Posted - 2015.05.13 04:44:54 -
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Shukan 02 wrote:... allow the use of the Rorqual in High Sec ... Anyone thoughts? No.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2040
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Posted - 2015.05.13 05:07:02 -
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Convert the rorq into a cap miner
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
89
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Posted - 2015.05.13 06:36:52 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Forgot to mentioned the Rorq is still good to buy at low value and re-sell with some reasonable mark up.
I am selling few of them, you are welcome to buy them all in the Forge |
Krevnos
Back Door Burglars The Otherworld
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Posted - 2015.05.13 07:03:54 -
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sabre906 wrote:I thought Rorqual is being phased out along with the old pos forcefield...
The Rorqual was never phased in! |
Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
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Posted - 2015.05.13 08:02:07 -
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Mr Grape Drink wrote:
Get rid of the idea of being stuck to be useful. Who would try to market such a poor design on a mining related fragile ship!?!
Add bells and whistles that relate to mining
Now that would break the whole predator v. prey game design philosophy. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2238
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:17:18 -
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The Rorqual can be retooled so it can be allowed in Highsec and not step on the Orcas toes...
What needs to happen is both ships need to be rebalanced in such a way that they're both viable.
An easy way to do so is make the Orca good for moving ORE and giving fleet boosts with a decent tank for a Capital ship.
The Rorqual can be tooled for Jumping around, Mining with a buff to offensive and defensive abilities. But avoid giving it the ability to use lazers as it'll step on the toes of the Barges and will make it impossible to deal with AFK mining and botting/boxing, especially in Highsec...
Hello, world!
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:27:04 -
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This thread has been moved to Ships & Modules.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.13 14:55:33 -
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Frankly this is a no brainer. Bring the Rorqual to HS. It would take the smallest amount of changes to the Rorqual and it would be a highly viable ship again.
All it would take is letting it come into high sec and travel in and out like a Jump Freighter.
It would yield the following results:
1. Would reinstate the Rorqual to its rightful place as the Crown Jewel of the miners progression path. 2. It would actually allow the Capital tractor beam to actually be useful 3. It would allow corporations to use the Jump Clone Facility and get members jump clones rather than have them have to leave the corporation and join another to get clones and then come back.... because of the FUBAR standings requirements. This would fix what is now a work around to an onerous and broken mechanic. 4. Allows for mobile compression. Again, the idea of having to drop a POS and run it for an hour to compress ore and then turn it off again... is just another ANNOYING non game enhancing workaround. Make the Rorqual use fuel blocks for all I care... but it can move and compress with the mining fleet. 5. This would boost a flagging capital ship industry which is on the ropes since jump fatigue 6. Would drive trit and low end mineral prices down, which would help push the high end mineral market back up and helps make null sec capitals less expensive. (.10 change in trit prices basically changes the price of a dread by 20 mil or so) 7. Allows for some protection of mining fleet in the belts with remote repair. Does not prevent destruction of course, and with all the other top slots running, allows only a few spaces for remote rep units. But it gives some protection. 8. Allows for the transportation of an entire mining fleet...miners can be more nomadic. Can function as a mobile base of sorts. 9. Encourages miners to join groups that can field this force multiplier -- encouraging more social interaction. 10. Of course corps that actually field one would be much more juicy war targets, but meh, there are work arounds for that. 11. Will not interfere with the role of ship carrier that the Balloon Head takes.
This combined with Fuzzy Steve's ideas of prospecting and/or other peoples suggestions of more random grav sites, this would add some much needed content to the mining profession.
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited Resonance.
630
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Posted - 2015.05.13 15:27:42 -
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Bed Bugg wrote: this would add some much needed content to the mining profession.
The launcher's mining background wasn't enough?
Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you?
Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.06.03 13:45:52 -
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[/quote] The launcher's mining background wasn't enough?[/quote]
The art department at CCP can make just about anything look amazing and compelling. |
Moth Eisig
92
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Posted - 2015.06.04 16:28:34 -
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If the ship bay weren't restricted to industrials/mining ships, I would at least consider training my alt into one to use as a deep space exploration base instead of an Orca because of the jump clone convenience. I'd probably end up losing it long before I got it cyno-ed into position though, so maybe it's just as well. |
Nalia White
Tencus
121
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Posted - 2015.06.05 17:25:16 -
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Mr Grape Drink wrote:snip
Compare it to the other capital ships. A dread get XL guns, a carrier gets XL reps, a JF gets XL cargohold. So following the trend, a rorqual get XL mining lasers, right? :D
It's also Gallente in design, so how about large/fighter sized mining drones? This would add the same risk/reward as a carrier out ratting in anoms. Sure you can align out and be safeish, but hey you may lose a bunch of expensive drones and not make much if you do it too much.
Get rid of the idea of being stuck to be useful. Who would try to market such a poor design on a mining related fragile ship!?!
Add bells and whistles that relate to mining
I like this actualy. uber mining vessel :) |
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.06.05 19:18:00 -
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Bed Bugg wrote:Frankly this is a no brainer. Bring the Rorqual to HS. It would take the smallest amount of changes to the Rorqual and it would be a highly viable ship again.
All it would take is letting it come into high sec and travel in and out like a Jump Freighter.
It would yield the following results:
1. Would reinstate the Rorqual to its rightful place as the Crown Jewel of the miners progression path. 2. It would actually allow the Capital tractor beam to actually be useful 3. It would allow corporations to use the Jump Clone Facility and get members jump clones rather than have them have to leave the corporation and join another to get clones and then come back.... because of the FUBAR standings requirements. This would fix what is now a work around to an onerous and broken mechanic. 4. Allows for mobile compression. Again, the idea of having to drop a POS and run it for an hour to compress ore and then turn it off again... is just another ANNOYING non game enhancing workaround. Make the Rorqual use fuel blocks for all I care... but it can move and compress with the mining fleet. 5. This would boost a flagging capital ship industry which is on the ropes since jump fatigue 6. Would drive trit and low end mineral prices down, which would help push the high end mineral market back up and helps make null sec capitals less expensive. (.10 change in trit prices basically changes the price of a dread by 20 mil or so) 7. Allows for some protection of mining fleet in the belts with remote repair. Does not prevent destruction of course, and with all the other top slots running, allows only a few spaces for remote rep units. But it gives some protection. 8. Allows for the transportation of an entire mining fleet...miners can be more nomadic. Can function as a mobile base of sorts. 9. Encourages miners to join groups that can field this force multiplier -- encouraging more social interaction. 10. Of course corps that actually field one would be much more juicy war targets, but meh, there are work arounds for that. 11. Will not interfere with the role of ship carrier that the Balloon Head takes.
This combined with Fuzzy Steve's ideas of prospecting and/or other peoples suggestions of more random grav sites, this would add some much needed content to the mining profession.
Lower the mining bonus to be equal to Orca so the Orca still have a place for mining fleets. Having mobile compression in a belt already save alot of hauling so it would already be better than an Orca Also nuke the drone bonus (10 effective drones) and the Capital Remote Shield Booster range (same bonus as carriers) |
kyoukoku
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.06.10 01:51:26 -
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If they ever allow it in HiSec I feel it should only be in the lower half, i.e. 0.5 to 0.7 systems, at least then it's a fair compromise.
This would also have the consequence of locking it out from 0.5-0.7 systems which are only accessible from 0.8-1.0 space, but people shouldn't be allowed to eat the whole cake anyway. |
Augustus Risalo
Vulcans Forge
0
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Posted - 2015.06.10 12:17:57 -
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If they want the Rorqual to be used in a belt, then it needs to be capable of protecting said belt.
How about letting the Rorqual take Remote ECM burst? You could give it a bonus to range and duration, and at least allow it to buy some time in a belt until a support fleet can arrive. I also like the idea of giving it a jump bridge, so you could get your allies in quick to defend it. I don't think it should really have a lot of offensive ability, it needs a support feet, but it should be able to defend itself long enough for help to arrive. |
Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2015.06.10 18:54:58 -
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kyoukoku wrote:If they ever allow it in HiSec I feel it should only be in the lower half, i.e. 0.5 to 0.7 systems, at least then it's a fair compromise.
This would also have the consequence of locking it out from 0.5-0.7 systems which are only accessible from 0.8-1.0 space, but people shouldn't be allowed to eat the whole cake anyway.
I agree. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:45:04 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Shukan 02 wrote:... allow the use of the Rorqual in High Sec ... Anyone thoughts? No. Such a well formed, detailed, clear, highly assertive argument you just didn't give there.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.30 13:12:33 -
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Any word on any fixes coming for the Rorqual? |
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