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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.05.13 14:16:52 -
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When a person (especially a noob) claims something can't be done (and even goes so far as to tell other people to not do something), they are really just trying to protect their egoes against the sting of failure. THEY can't do it so they think no one else can either.
Of course we all know that this is not true. Yes Battleships take more (player) skill, game knowledge and preparation/support to use in pvp than some other ships. But in the right hands they are unmatchable by ANYTHING else. |
NightmareX
Lakagigar Absolute Defiance
592
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Posted - 2015.05.13 15:01:10 -
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Well, i already had trained all of my Battleship skills to level 5 back in 2008 (yes, i have been playing since 2004). I first started to use a Raven in late 2005 both for missions and PVP. Then i went to the Tempest in 2006 which by the way i did love at that time. I did use it for a long time before i gave the Megathron a go in late 2007 / early 2008.
After i started to use the Megathron, i was sold on it. And since then i have been a huge fan of the Megathron and i'm still a big fan of the Megathron hull. So i have been using the normal Megathron, Navy Megathron, Vindicator and the Kronos lately.
But the fact is that i'm very specialized in Battleships today. I feel more comfortable in a Battleship than i do with smaller ships. I know how to effectively use the Battleships i use 100% fully out and how to fit them correctly. Yes i usually don't fly Battleships alone, but they are TONS of fun in Battleship fleets.
I actually make videos of flying Battleships to. So you can watch my videos here.
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u2YSu0ugts
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-_61zfTE8
The 1st video from Tama i was using an Armageddon for the first time. So i had no idea on how it would go in that fight.
But the simple fact is that if you know what you are doing, Battleships can be extremely effective in PVP.
Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:
1: Asteroid Madness
2: Clash of the Empires
3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
81
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Posted - 2015.05.13 15:22:45 -
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Rapid heavies and a neut would have dropped that Svipul you died to so fast, he would have wondered what hit him. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1029
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Posted - 2015.05.13 16:27:17 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:A gang of frigs could catch and take down a lonely battleship. True.
A gang of battleships could catch and take down a lonely frig. False?
One of those cases requires a whole lot of stupidity on the pilot's account. |
Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
37
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Posted - 2015.05.13 17:06:51 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Exotic Matters wrote:I have 2 combat toons with 15m and 12m skillpoints and NO battleship or large weapon system skill trained. So I must agree with you. Unless you want to do PvE, skills toward T2/T3 cruisers and smaller are much more useful. Maybe I will get around to battleships in another 6 mo. When i did start my "combat alt", it had ~14 m SP at some point and could only fly a Rifter, nothing else. Take your 15m SP and put them into a discussion where they suffice to join the talk. If you don't have the necessary Support skills for Battleships (which exceed 15m SP by a fair amount) then don't expect that it'd be a good idea to fly one. Battleships are magnificent Ships that provide strong tank and dps at a reasonable price, and if used with (a lot of) other battleships, become less and less skillpoint demanding, as the only thing you have to achieve is 'fit in'. In my mind, i have about 7-8 BS that i consider 'strong' and would fly, if i only had the guns to V or the respective BS skill to V. And a few more that i'd still like to be able to fly. Don't expect a fat space whale to be the best choice for any task. But they certainly are the best choice for some tasks.
Most people are undocking in battleships when having less that 1/2 of my current skillpoints.
What, my opinion doesn't matter because I only have X number of skillpoints. The truth is I put in so many hours of gameplay that I had enough experience to make an informed decision to not to train battleships and instead focus my skill training on cruisers. (1137 kills on main toon, 286 on second). After playing 3-4 hours a day for 9 months I see what works and what doesn't work that well.
I agree that the support skills are extremely important, and are generally neglected by many.
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
38
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Posted - 2015.05.13 19:47:47 -
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Skill points go further in smaller ships. The whole "but battleships are best flown in a gang" or "needs support skills to fit properly" is not relevant to the discussion. I acknowledge all of that because, that is true for any ship class you fly. Why fly a larger ship when smaller ships can do the job better most of the time. Valid exceptions to structure bashing, because we know how many people just sign right up for that kind of game play. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
186
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:13:41 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=408828
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=408646 |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
352
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:47:14 -
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SP doesn't matter. If you fit your battleship with the proper meta 4 modules and are a l33t pvp'er, you will be victorious. |
Stitch Kaneland
Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate.
243
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Posted - 2015.05.14 03:41:21 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Anyone who has ever flown a battleship in the EVE Universe, will understand what I mean when I say they are the most riskiest thing to fly with the least amount of reward. Pilots of battleships are flying a slow moving, inaccurate glass cannon(even when properly T2/faction fit.) Pilots of almost every other combat ship class can survive better than a battleship. As it stands now battleships are an under classed vessel that is surely loosing it's place in the game.
The first reason why battleships are worthless is, they have the most trouble hitting targets. Since the game is based on smaller+faster = miss to larger guns, Battleships carrying the largest guns miss everything smaller than it. Now players can manipulate fittings and rigs to make it easier to hit a smaller ships, but no amount of fittings will make a battleship efficient at hitting small targets.
Second, battleships move slow. Some would argue that a larger(mass) ship should move slower, and they are correct. But using this methodology, a ship that is 100x more massive, has only 17x times more armor. Now why would things scale so differently in armor? Because, the game designers want battleships to die to smaller ships. This quote from Evelopedia: "Smaller swarms of ships are able to overwhelm the battleships systems and larger capitol ships with sufficient tracking can be accurate enough to cause quite serious damage, ..." The truth is that, any smaller combat ship can destroy a battleship, and they are designed to be destroyed by larger capital ships too.
Battleships now have the role of PVE combat ships, in PVP they are liabilities. Don't waste your skill points. As the thousands of skill points wasted on battleships would be better spent in cruiser or other skills.
I've flown plenty of BS. The less desirable matar ones too, and i don't understand what you mean. "inaccurate", yep. But you can work around that with a proper fit, and actually putting thought into your fit instead of dumping random modules into it. Good piloting skills help too.
Quote:no amount of fittings will make a battleship efficient at hitting small targets.
This made me chuckle. My solo BS kills frigs/t3d/cruisers/bc's pretty easily. I've used RHML t1 phoon, cruise missile phoon, tempest FI. My T1 phoon gets around 100k EHP and does 800-1100dps. Hell, i've even frigate hunted in a tornado (still uses large guns), and could brawl them down at 2-5km. Just need to understand game mechanics, and know how to bait fights and work them to your advantage. Sorry you can't just click approach and pwn, you need to have some skill, and knowledge in setting up the fight.
With proper fitting, you can escape from smaller ships fairly easily. Most smaller ships are kiting at point range. CCP made this nice little module called a micro jump drive. Long pointed and can't catch them? MJD away to freedom.
Quote:The truth is that, any smaller combat ship can destroy a battleship
The truth? Says who? Speak for yourself, but ANY smaller combat ship cannot kill a BS when properly fit. All or nothing statements like that make you look ignorant. Maybe a ship like yours could be killed by a smaller ship, but my fits revolve around application for this reason. They do not have this issue. Learn to fit/fly.
I have minny BS/BC to 5, and i have more fun in these ships than when i was roaming in frigs. I get plenty of fights, and get lots of kills. Because people like you underestimate them, and think "oh he can't hit me hurr hurr".... "wait why did i die in 4 shots".
Don't discourage people to fly a ship class just because you're bad at it.
Disclaimer: BS are not where they should be by any stretch, but they are not useless, and i still find uses for them in a solo role.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
353
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Posted - 2015.05.14 03:44:56 -
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Gotta put a heavy neut in that utility high. Frigate problems done. |
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
196
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Posted - 2015.05.14 05:24:23 -
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well large gun 5 and battleship 5 come out to be 1.28 million and 2.048 million skill points (0.362million for lv 4) so if you aren't going to max it t2 guns and ship lv 4 only cost 1.6 million skillpoints. which is nothing considering the amount of sp support skills in general cost. |
Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2015.05.14 07:49:01 -
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If you don't train Battleships, at least train the weapon systems. Oracle, Tornado, Naga and Talos are all fun boats, and can be really useful. |
Mr Duffo
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
103
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:01:35 -
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I like battleships |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1179
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Posted - 2015.05.14 11:43:25 -
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I'll just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQENEsbdk
Battleships rock the house, they simply require more than average skillpoints to fly and understand correctly. When to deploy them is the key. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
176
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:22:59 -
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All ships require support skills i really dont understand what makes battleships need "omg supportskills", maybe bit more drones than cruisers but thats pretty much it. However i do agree that atm battleships arent that dangerous, they should have secondary weaponbatteries of small weapons or something which wouldnt increase their long range capabilities but would make engaging smaller craft nearby easier. And no drones dont count. |
Stitch Kaneland
Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate.
244
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:56:08 -
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Termy Rockling wrote:All ships require support skills i really dont understand what makes battleships need "omg supportskills", maybe bit more drones than cruisers but thats pretty much it. However i do agree that atm battleships arent that dangerous, they should have secondary weaponbatteries of small weapons or something which wouldnt increase their long range capabilities but would make engaging smaller craft nearby easier. And no drones dont count.
So you want a ship that can kill small and big things with no drawbacks? So instead of frigate/cruisers online, it will become Battleships online because they have nothing to counter them.
Neuts, learn to use them. Whether big or small, a ship tends to not function when it has no cap.
Yes, drones do count. BS can hit smaller targets when you fit for it and know how to fly.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
991
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:14:51 -
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We use them all the time in WH space. Baiting null bears is a good use for them. They have the tank to hang in there until the backup arrives and sometimes they just sit in the belt and solo every null bear in system.
https://zkillboard.com/character/326661701/page/2/
Here's the thing.
Rifters are awesome from day one. BS take time. You can't just train gallente BS and large hybrids both to level 3 and think the ship should be great. Turret BS come into their own about the time you have 8-9 million skillpoint.... in gunnery AND a bunch of other stuff supporting it. Your engineering skills have to be up there. Your tanking skills have to be up there. A lot of folks think BS suck because they hop into them before they are ready. You can't even fit a BS properly without the fitting skills at 4 or 5.
Let's not forget these beasts are just shy of a capital ship. A player w/ 20 million SP shouldn't even try to form an opinion on the goodness or badness of a BS - they aren't in a position to make an informed decision on the matter. Just because you can sit in a BS and fill all the module and rig slots doesn't mean you're ready to fly one.
I just came across a triple rep hyperion fit that is just awesome. You can't even fit a full set of guns, 3 reps and 2 cap boosters on a hyperion w/out a lot of maxed out skills. A well flown BS doesn't just happen. You have to earn it w/ patience and SP.
If you want to fly a BS and be good at it just realize it's a commitment. There are no good BS pilots in the class of 2015 and few if any in the class of 2014. You can do it in a year, but you have to be really focussed to a fit.
BS are great ships, you just have to earn their greatness.
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
42
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:52:23 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:We use them all the time in WH space. Baiting null bears is a good use for them. They have the tank to hang in there until the backup arrives and sometimes they just sit in the belt and solo every null bear in system. https://zkillboard.com/character/326661701/page/2/ Here's the thing. Rifters are awesome from day one. BS take time. You can't just train gallente BS and large hybrids both to level 3 and think the ship should be great. Turret BS come into their own about the time you have 8-9 million skillpoint.... in gunnery AND a bunch of other stuff supporting it. Your engineering skills have to be up there. Your tanking skills have to be up there. A lot of folks think BS suck because they hop into them before they are ready. You can't even fit a BS properly without the fitting skills at 4 or 5. Let's not forget these beasts are just shy of a capital ship. A player w/ 20 million SP shouldn't even try to form an opinion on the goodness or badness of a BS - they aren't in a position to make an informed decision on the matter. Just because you can sit in a BS and fill all the module and rig slots doesn't mean you're ready to fly one. I just came across a triple rep hyperion fit that is just awesome. You can't even fit a full set of guns, 3 reps and 2 cap boosters on a hyperion w/out a lot of maxed out skills. A well flown BS doesn't just happen. You have to earn it w/ patience and SP. If you want to fly a BS and be good at it just realize it's a commitment. There are no good BS pilots in the class of 2015 and few if any in the class of 2014. You can do it in a year, but you have to be really focussed to a fit. BS are great ships, you just have to earn their greatness. Thank you for explaining the magnitude of the situation. There is some truth here and I feel you are teaching/making good points.
We are talking over a year of SP progress. That is a ridiculous amount of time spent to fly a ship for it's limited use. While the support skills can translate into other ships, I don't think the amount of commitment is worth it. If I were to start in the game I would want some one to tell me that, for the amount of time it takes for the ship to be less of a liability, I would have to pay CCP $180 USD. And even then the ship is the least likely survive a gate camp which will happen if you take it into low/null sec. What is the reward from the risk of that hull? How does 1 year of skill training pay off? Where is the fun for my $180?
I feel like focusing on a smaller hull will make for a more fun year. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
992
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:54:46 -
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We get it dude. You have a problem w/ BS.
That doesn't make them bad or your opinons right. Go stomp on a kitten or something to get this out of your system. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
992
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:09:13 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:We use them all the time in WH space. Baiting null bears is a good use for them. They have the tank to hang in there until the backup arrives and sometimes they just sit in the belt and solo every null bear in system. https://zkillboard.com/character/326661701/page/2/ Here's the thing. Rifters are awesome from day one. BS take time. You can't just train gallente BS and large hybrids both to level 3 and think the ship should be great. Turret BS come into their own about the time you have 8-9 million skillpoint.... in gunnery AND a bunch of other stuff supporting it. Your engineering skills have to be up there. Your tanking skills have to be up there. A lot of folks think BS suck because they hop into them before they are ready. You can't even fit a BS properly without the fitting skills at 4 or 5. Let's not forget these beasts are just shy of a capital ship. A player w/ 20 million SP shouldn't even try to form an opinion on the goodness or badness of a BS - they aren't in a position to make an informed decision on the matter. Just because you can sit in a BS and fill all the module and rig slots doesn't mean you're ready to fly one. I just came across a triple rep hyperion fit that is just awesome. You can't even fit a full set of guns, 3 reps and 2 cap boosters on a hyperion w/out a lot of maxed out skills. A well flown BS doesn't just happen. You have to earn it w/ patience and SP. If you want to fly a BS and be good at it just realize it's a commitment. There are no good BS pilots in the class of 2015 and few if any in the class of 2014. You can do it in a year, but you have to be really focussed to a fit. BS are great ships, you just have to earn their greatness. Thank you for explaining the magnitude of the situation. There is some truth here and I feel you are teaching/making good points. We are talking over a year of SP progress. That is a ridiculous amount of time spent to fly a ship for it's limited use. While the support skills can translate into other ships, I don't think the amount of commitment is worth it. If I were to start in the game I would want some one to tell me that, for the amount of time it takes for the ship to be less of a liability, I would have to pay CCP $180 USD. And even then the ship is the least likely survive a gate camp which will happen if you take it into low/null sec. What is the reward from the risk of that hull? How does 1 year of skill training pay off? Where is the fun for my $180? I feel like focusing on a smaller hull will make for a more fun year.
You're looking at the game all wrong. To get good at flying a BS you should go play eve for 2years and have a blast doing it. Do that in frigates, cruisers, BC you can even dable in mining.... whatever makes you happy. At the 2 year point get serious about the BS facet of the game and dive in prepared and ready to go. Don't mope around for 2 years because you weren't born as a BS ace.
I'm a good dread pilot and a good carrier pilot. Which one you might ask. All of them. Here's the thing. I didn't even think about training any capital ships until I crossed over 100million SP. I didn't think about sitting in a faction BS until I had both of the requisite racial BS trained to 5. Did I have to wait that long? Heck no. In my first year I lost 12 megas running L3 and L4 missions because I wasn't ready to be in one and did it anyhow. I learned the hard way to have patience. When I finally got smart I flew assault frigates and cruisers and had a blast. Once I was ready I got into bigger things, but I didn't mope around complaining - I went out there in what I could fly well and had a super time.
EVE isn't about being able to fly a BS. EVE is about going out there meating a few dudes online, hanging w/ the ones you get along with and BLOWINGSHITUP. Don't get frustrated. Go do something else that is fun and in the background keep an eye on the bigger ships. When you're ready stop having on kind of fun and begin another. Slow and steady and laugh about all of it. Right now my favorite ship for what I'm doing is the orthrus. I've never liked to fly capital ships and only do that when necessary. My all time favorite ship is the enyo. I flew the crap out of those things way before AF got some love and became cool. |
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
42
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:14:03 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:Termy Rockling wrote:All ships require support skills i really dont understand what makes battleships need "omg supportskills", maybe bit more drones than cruisers but thats pretty much it. However i do agree that atm battleships arent that dangerous, they should have secondary weaponbatteries of small weapons or something which wouldnt increase their long range capabilities but would make engaging smaller craft nearby easier. And no drones dont count. So you want a ship that can kill small and big things with no drawbacks? So instead of frigate/cruisers online, it will become Battleships online because they have nothing to counter them. Neuts, learn to use them. Whether big or small, a ship tends to not function when it has no cap. Yes, drones do count. BS can hit smaller targets when you fit for it and know how to fly. I had to chuckle. Battleships online? The biggest drawbacks battleships have is that they are slow to move and slow to lock. Players don't have to engage a battleship ever. It doesn't survive against gangs just like every other ship in this game. But if CCP did decide to make some changes as was suggested, the ship class would fit the quote dev description in the OP. Ya know the "swarms of smaller ships"? Drones don't count because some battleships have drone bonus, but most do not. If drones are the anti smaller ships, why not give all battleships a drone bonus? Or at least one in the battleship class kinda like what they did with the new battle cruisers? Not all battleships can fit neuts effectively for PVP either. Perhaps CCP should design battleships with a reduction to neut fitting reqs? |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
177
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Posted - 2015.05.14 22:53:44 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:Termy Rockling wrote:All ships require support skills i really dont understand what makes battleships need "omg supportskills", maybe bit more drones than cruisers but thats pretty much it. However i do agree that atm battleships arent that dangerous, they should have secondary weaponbatteries of small weapons or something which wouldnt increase their long range capabilities but would make engaging smaller craft nearby easier. And no drones dont count. So you want a ship that can kill small and big things with no drawbacks? So instead of frigate/cruisers online, it will become Battleships online because they have nothing to counter them. Neuts, learn to use them. Whether big or small, a ship tends to not function when it has no cap. Yes, drones do count. BS can hit smaller targets when you fit for it and know how to fly.
You didnt really read the post properly, just instantly started slinging standard replies
I just find it funny that t1 frigate can kill a battleship alone, the size difference alone should mean that the small guy cannot do so much. Also i know the "basics" of EVE so no need to play the broken record. |
Paranoid Loyd
5143
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:02:12 -
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A frigate can only kill a BS if it is properly fit and the BS is improperly fit for the fight. That is the way it should be.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
178
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:39:06 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:He did read it properly and his standard replies are the correct answers. A frigate can only kill a BS if it is properly fit and the BS is improperly fit for the fight. That is the way it should be.
He totally skipped the part where i mentioned that all ships need support skills, not only battleships. He also instantly assumed that i would like to get some supership, which wasnt the case. No idea how he pulled the no drawbacks bit from mentioning small guns, they already made rapid heavies so guns may or may not be coming sometime. I shouldnt expect sensible replies though, the HTFU crowd is too overwhelming anyway (and since my killboard is pretty much empty, i know nothing about anything). Fly safe, or dangerously, just have fun. |
Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
42
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:40:14 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:He did read it properly and his standard replies are the correct answers. A frigate can only kill a BS if it is properly fit and the BS is improperly fit for the fight. That is the way it should be.
Again we go about the properly fit cycle. Any ship can be properly fit to beat any improperly fit ship. Battleships are still out classed as properly fitting a smaller ship would pay off better. The problem with this side of the debate is that it doesn't address the hull, it merely talks about how you could, with loads of resources and time, fly a battleship that can kill something smaller. No one has yet mentioned a combat role, besides bait, where battleships shine. For all that time you sunk into training for a battleship, you could accomplish more with smaller hulls.
And battleships should have some defense against smaller ships. If a frig and battle cruiser can get bonuses to large weapon systems, why can't a battleship get bonuses to smaller weapon systems? |
Paranoid Loyd
5145
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:43:08 -
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They do have defense against smaller ships. Do you need me to repeat what they are again? You don't need a bonused weapon system to be effective.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
42
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:57:22 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:They do have defense against smaller ships. Do you need me to repeat what they are again? You don't need a bonused weapon system to be effective. If all you have is drones, you might as well just stop. Some T1 hull cruisers has more drone space than most battleships, making them more equipped to take on targets of any size than a battleship. |
Paranoid Loyd
5145
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:12:00 -
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Drones are all you need to kill a frigate, not sure why you keep dismissing them. Neuts can also be used. Lower tier guns can be used to great effect when combined with webs and/or tracking mods. Not to mention there is nothing stopping you from putting med or small guns on your ship.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Aza Ebanu
Junkyard Gunners. Strange Phenomenon
42
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:26:28 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Drones are all you need to kill a frigate, not sure why you keep dismissing them. Neuts can also be used. Lower tier guns can be used to great effect when combined with webs and/or tracking mods. Not to mention there is nothing stopping you from putting med or small guns on your ship. Did you read? Not all battleships can field a sufficient amount of drones with effective damage to destroy all smaller targets. Some T2/T3 ships laugh at drones. The rest of your post is just trying too hard.
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Paranoid Loyd
5145
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:29:11 -
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If we are not talking about frigates, a properly flown ship can easily hit cruisers and BCs with large guns. I'm not trying hard, I am giving you solutions, if you choose to ignore them that is your choice.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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