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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.13 12:20:47 -
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Greetings Missions and Complexes Forum,
Right after I completed my SoE Epic Arc and decided to go solo in my own corporation, I found a direct to highsec wormhole in Aridia. Seeing how remote it was and how pretty the nebulae looked I took the opportunity and moved all of my assets there.
Anyway being just over a month into Eve I've noticed that the 50+ Blood Hideaways I've run have yet to escalate to a 1/10.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Blood_Hideaway
It states that it's expected to escalate. Also I find these hideaways reliably in all the 0.4 Aridia(n) systems as well.
My question is does anyone know if the Blood Hideaway actually escalates or is the wiki wrong?
I'm new to the game and I see that anyone can edit evelopedia; think I should? (I'd make graphs to detail my obervations like what % of hideaways yield Dark Blood rats and escalate)
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:26:33 -
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I'm still waiting to confirm that escalation. No luck yet. Sansha and Serpentis hideaways escalates to DED3. Also i wouldn't rely on evelopedia. Data might by outdated. I verified and updated sites from hideaway to den for sanshas and started to run serpentis hisec anoms.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
The Good, The Bad and The Bantam
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.13 13:49:04 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:I'm still waiting to confirm that escalation. No luck yet. Sansha and Serpentis hideaways escalates to DED3. Also i wouldn't rely on evelopedia. Data might by outdated. I verified and updated sites from hideaway to den for sanshas and started to run serpentis hisec anoms.
Interesting, and that's too bad Evelopedia is considered out of date.. it's the first place I go to for most of everything.
I'm kind of interested in helping maintain it and keeping it relevant though.
Haven't run any Sansha sites yet myself but it was a Serpentis Refuge I think .. my first one led to a Serpentis 3/10 and a friend help me run it and dropped over 100m in loot! Hooked ever since.
What's a good measure you think .. to decide whether something escalates or not? I'm gonna try running 50 more and tallying what I get for some more concrete #'s. The Blood 3/10's are a bit too hard for me to do alone so I hope these Blood Hideaways actually escalate.. because probing is such a grind sometimes.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.13 20:53:16 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote: What's a good measure you think .. to decide whether something escalates or not?
I didn't find any symptoms. Message just pop up. 50 runs is a bit many, but it's random. It may not escalate at all. From what i explore: sansha hideaway -> DED 3 refuge -> DED 3 den -> DED 5 BR refuge -> DED 4 den -> DED 5 serpentis hideaway ->DED 3
Lulu Lunette wrote:I'm kind of interested in helping maintain it and keeping it relevant though. Let me know what you find, I will update evelopedia.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
The Good, The Bad and The Bantam
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:05:29 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote: Let me know what you find, I will update evelopedia.
Cool. I got a pretty serious looking legal pad next to me with some tally marks. Ran 5 of them today. I'll get back to you here with the information I'm also noting what's dropping if the Dark Blood rat appears.
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.14 05:11:30 -
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Escalations are random. Even if it should escalate 5% of the time, doesn't mean you'll get 1 in 20 runs. I've had stretches where I've cleared over 100 Hubs and Havens, with not a single escalation. I've similarly had stretches where I got 2 escalations in a day and another the next day.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.14 05:37:32 -
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There's a little bit more to escalation than just leading to another site. Spawning a Faction Commander NPC is another form of escalation.
CCP is constantly making changes to the game which makes it very tough to keep Evelopedia current.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.14 05:51:19 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:There's a little bit more to escalation than just leading to another site. Spawning a Faction Commander NPC is another form of escalation.
CCP is constantly making changes to the game which makes it very tough to keep Evelopedia current.
DMC
Also this, though I can't honestly remember the last time I got a faction spawn in a random static site. Gotta be at least 4 years. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.14 06:02:07 -
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Serpentis sites: hideaway -> Serpentis Narcotic Warehouses refuge -> Serpentis Narcotic Warehouses den -> Serpentis Corporation Hydroponics Site
I think i will move to minmatar space now, caldari hisec is a rat race.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.14 06:05:01 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Serpentis sites: hideaway -> Serpentis Narcotic Warehouses refuge -> Serpentis Narcotic Warehouses den -> Serpentis Corporation Hydroponics Site
I think i will move to minmatar space now, caldari hisec is a rat race.
Amarr space. You'll find much less competition there than Minmatar and certainly Caldari space. |
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.14 06:17:14 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Amarr space. You'll find much less competition there than Minmatar and certainly Caldari space.
I know, i live in amarr. Amarr system with it's 6 golden gates is my home. I'm on exploration mission, updating evelopedia, making some ISK on the way The only one left in amarr to check if escalate is hideaway. I gave up on burrows, they are as rare as dens for me.
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.14 16:27:15 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Amarr space. You'll find much less competition there than Minmatar and certainly Caldari space.
I know, i live in amarr. Amarr system with it's 6 golden gates is my home. I'm on exploration mission, updating evelopedia, making some ISK on the way The only one left in amarr to check if escalate is hideaway. I gave up on burrows, they are as rare as dens for me.
Dens literally everywhere in Aridia. If you wanna come check the area out I'll let you know when a favorable wormhole opens up.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.15 22:27:23 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote: Dens literally everywhere in Aridia. If you wanna come check the area out I'll let you know when a favorable wormhole opens up.
Thx, I usually travel in covert ships so wormhole won't be needed :).
angels refuge -> DED 5 angels den -> DED 5 Lost a gila to lowsec pirates :( i forget that recons don't show on d-scan, what a stupid idea this is...
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.16 06:35:01 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote: Lost a gila to lowsec pirates :( i forget that recons don't show on d-scan, what a stupid idea this is...
Recons don't show up on D-scan ?
Damn, I really need to start reading the Patch Notes more often.
When did this go into effect ?
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Khanid Voltar
Third Way Retirement Corp
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Posted - 2015.05.16 07:39:38 -
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It's just Combat Recon's I believe, and it was fairly recent |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.16 08:46:07 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Recons don't show up on D-scan ?
Damn, I really need to start reading the Patch Notes more often.
When did this go into effect ?
EvE update
It was in "Proteus". I would lose it anyway propably, they camped the gates from the system. Gila was good in that fight, manage to fight with four of them: recon, T3, ishtar and ceptor. I'm no pvper so i made few mistakes. Tip for all: if you see combat probes, run! There won't be any ships on d-scan at acceleration gates. Galls recon is really handy for catching explorers.
As for subject: anybody have escalation from burrows?
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:14:57 -
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Yo!
So my experiment is over. I run 50 Blood Hideaways, keeping tallies for how many Dark Blood rats appear and how many escalations I got.
So, out of 50, I got 3 Dark Blood Frigates to appear, and 0 escalations.
I would like to amend the evelopedia article to read that it doesn't escalate. Also the security in which these appear is erroneous too, I've seen them in 0.2 space.
Dark Blood Rats from Blood Hideaways drop random Blood Faction Ammo S, Dark Blood Copper Tag, and various meta modules like webs and small smartbombs. During this experiment I got a Mid Grade Talisman implant. BPC's like Target Spectrum can drop as well. (like the junk BPC's you get from Data sites)
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:29:20 -
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50 is not a sufficient pool in which to draw a accurate conclusion.
And simply because you have not had any luck doesnt mean that everyone has had no luck.
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.25 03:37:14 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:50 is not a sufficient pool in which to draw a accurate conclusion.
And simply because you have not had any luck doesnt mean that everyone has had no luck.
It's actually close to 100. Just started tallying them 50 ago. I think it's more than bad luck. I can get 3/10 and 4/10 just fine
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.05.25 15:47:41 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:50 is not a sufficient pool in which to draw a accurate conclusion.
And simply because you have not had any luck doesnt mean that everyone has had no luck. It's actually close to 100. Just started tallying them 50 ago. I think it's more than bad luck. I can get 3/10 and 4/10 just fine It matters not, the odds do not play favorites. At one point I scanned and ran 4-6 sites a day, every day for 3 months straight in Gallente space and not once did I get an escalation or an officer spawn. On the other hand my son was doing the same thing in Minmatar space and he averaged one site per day that escalated. So while you are compiling statistics be sure to include these as well.
As you can see your 50 or even 100 sites is an insufficient data set to allow for any meaningful conclusions so I would say for now leave the Wki page alone, or at most add your information as a foot note. |
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.25 15:55:25 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:50 is not a sufficient pool in which to draw a accurate conclusion.
And simply because you have not had any luck doesnt mean that everyone has had no luck. It's actually close to 100. Just started tallying them 50 ago. I think it's more than bad luck. I can get 3/10 and 4/10 just fine It matters not, the odds do not play favorites. At one point I scanned and ran 4-6 sites a day, every day for 3 months straight in Gallente space and not once did I get an escalation or an officer spawn. On the other hand my son was doing the same thing in Minmatar space and he averaged one site per day that escalated. So while you are compiling statistics be sure to include these as well. As you can see your 50 or even 100 sites is an insufficient data set to allow for any meaningful conclusions so I would say for now leave the Wki page alone, or at most add your information as a foot note.
But look at how it's worded:
Quote:It is suspected that this anomaly may rarely escalate to a Old Meanie - Cultivation Center, DED rating 1/10.
"suspected"
The author didn't know for sure! If you guys want to run them with me, post results and prove it? My findings are exclusively in Aridia. btw I had some freak luck, got 2 Dark Bloods in a row and one of them yielded a Mid Grade Talisman Alpha.
Which btw they don't state in the loot column!
A footnote would be better than what's there now. Who's qualified to make such changes?
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.25 20:57:48 -
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Donnachadh wrote:It matters not, the odds do not play favorites. At one point I scanned and ran 4-6 sites a day, every day for 3 months straight in Gallente space and not once did I get an escalation or an officer spawn. On the other hand my son was doing the same thing in Minmatar space and he averaged one site per day that escalated. So while you are compiling statistics be sure to include these as well. You can't compare different pirates groups. They changed expeditions some patches ago. Apart from decresing number of jumps and increasing chance for expedition i'm not think i like the changes.
Donnachadh wrote:As you can see your 50 or even 100 sites is an insufficient data set to allow for any meaningful conclusions so I would say for now leave the Wki page alone, or at most add your information as a foot note. CCP already changed other escalations from anoms. I've updated some part of them on EvElo. I did tons of BR hideaways, no escalation yet. I don't like the part that we have to explore what's "inside that box". It lead to boredom. Anoms are low end pve. If we do such boring content we have to be sure there are some carrots at the end of that sticks, it doesn't matter what are the chances. Simple yes/no would be sufficient. Scanned sites are completely different matter.
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.05.26 01:46:15 -
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The intent was to illustrate how fickle odds and random chance can be.
A 5% chance does not mean that you will get 5 escalations if you run 100 sites. A 5% chance means that there is a 1 in 20 chance that any given site will escalate. Looking at these in another way common to odds makers you have 19 to 1 odds that any given site will not escalate.
Sometimes those odds work for you and sometimes they work against you. Just like gambling in Las Vegas you pay you money and take your chances, some time you win, bust most times you loose. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.05.26 05:41:00 -
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Donnachadh wrote:The intent was to illustrate how fickle odds and random chance can be. I know, but EvElo is outdated. Escalations from other anomalies changed also. I think I'll run some more and label it as unknown in EvElo. We have to be bold as CCP say about it. This could be changed anytime
"-What are you doing?"
"-Docking."(...)
-"It's not possible"
-"No, it's necessary."
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