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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.05.13 21:02:16 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Tippia wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:It's how computer were some time ago. Before dedicated hardware was designed to improve the efficiency of graphic rendering. The issue is what we consider "easy" to do now is already above what a CPU would be able to handle with all the rest of the process going on at the same time if they were to handle it in normal CPU operation. Many CPU now a day are designed with a GPU on die anyway so to really get what she is talking about, you would have to bypass that too now.
The important part of this tho is how ****** the performance would be. And by ****** I mean super low resolution slideshow. Ah, the good old days when sound and video were just some semi-incomprehensible DSP circuitry that provided analog control of electron beam sweep and speaker membrane vibrations. The good old days of turbo button making games slower/faster. Games who's internal clock were based on "the most common" CPU on the market which are now completely unplayable without an emulator because our cycle go amazingly faster than it used to. There was one game I had GÇö can't remember the name, but it was one of the early EGA flight sims GÇö that ensured its internal simulation speed by altering the system clock tick. As in: after quitting the game, I had to reboot and reset the time of day because system time ticked by at 2.5 seconds per second.
The upshot of this was that some other games that relied on that clock tick could be overclocked to run at 50 FPS rather than 20 because that's how they decided when it was time to redraw the screen.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:23:37 -
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California Dream's casino game Blockout Tetris Gorillas Alley cat, Leisure Suit Larry Space Quest
So many old games, I don't remember their names, (the weird ones were the racing ones where the world turned around your car or motorbike) but the first time I really saw the difference in clock speed was running Nibbles on a 386. Heard the loading sound, then the game was over, the level would just flash on the screen once.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:35:26 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Leisure Suit Larry
this game made me and friends work really hard to pass initial exam
Speaking about game speed. For me it was ELITE. It was completely unplayable even on 286 so we used special utilities to make CPU work slower....
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Avaelica Kuershin
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Posted - 2015.05.13 23:57:05 -
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I think it's at this point, talking about how things were, that you've probably bamboozled the OP
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
350
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:47:42 -
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Teinyhr wrote:I'm amused that the OP thinks the majority of EVE players would have DX12 capable setups before 2022. Seriously I think something like 30% of EVE players were still using Windows XP a mere couple of years ago.
CP/M here!
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:48:33 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Leisure Suit Larry
this game made me and friends work really hard to pass initial exam Speaking about game speed. For me it was ELITE. It was completely unplayable even on 286 so we used special utilities to make CPU work slower....
I played Elite on a C-64. A 286 was like a Cray to me. |
Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
24414
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:54:07 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:It is possible to use a plug from a mother board directly to a screen and have a purely software "graphics" card, for example. I would LOVE to see you explain this. Please elaborate. ^_^ It's how computer were some time ago. Before dedicated hardware was designed to improve the efficiency of graphic rendering. The issue is what we consider "easy" to do now is already above what a CPU would be able to handle with all the rest of the process going on at the same time if they were to handle it in normal CPU operation. Many CPU now a day are designed with a GPU on die anyway so to really get what she is talking about, you would have to bypass that too now. The important part of this tho is how ****** the performance would be. And by ****** I mean super low resolution slideshow. Yeah, no, not even close to what she said, but hits what she actually meant to say.
S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD
Abolish Rookiecorps.
Baaldor > ... Sol's Haiku manner of response ...
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.14 01:56:18 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:I played Elite on a C-64. A 286 was like a Cray to me. XT, two floppies, no hard drive then the original old Nintendos (I still have a click in my left thumb from the controllers).
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
881
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Posted - 2015.05.14 03:52:17 -
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Great stuff
you only need 5000-6000$ rig to run single scene.
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.05.14 10:05:36 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:March rabbit wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Leisure Suit Larry
this game made me and friends work really hard to pass initial exam Speaking about game speed. For me it was ELITE. It was completely unplayable even on 286 so we used special utilities to make CPU work slower.... I played Elite on a C-64. A 286 was like a Cray to me. I played ELITE and ELITE3 on ZX Spectrum.
But these ELITEs are different games actually. I have never seen the same game running very differently on different machines before XT and 286.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.14 12:20:22 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:I think it's at this point, talking about how things were, that you've probably bamboozled the OP
Still remember being in awe when I first played Doom.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.14 16:07:56 -
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Teinyhr wrote:I'm amused that the OP thinks the majority of EVE players would have DX12 capable setups before 2022. Seriously I think something like 30% of EVE players were still using Windows XP a mere couple of years ago.
I don't need to upgrade my PC every year just to play a video game. If the choice is Eve for an extra 400-1000 dollars, or going without so that I don't need to upgrade my PC, the choice for me is very clear.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2516
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Posted - 2015.05.14 16:33:20 -
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Awesome, yet another post about DX by someone that has no idea about the modern graphics pipeline, PC architecture or how Eve actually works. Yes, DX 12 will finally let us have ponies and unicorns in our captains quarters, life in the 'verse will be spectacular! It will make things so fast and shiny battles will finish before they even start! |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1792
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:24:03 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: It will make things so fast and shiny battles will finish before they even start!
They already do, it's called blueballing.
hehehe |
Commissar Rain
Team Evil
84
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:28:42 -
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Please no DX12, I want to play Eve on my potato toaster forever! |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
2980
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Posted - 2015.05.14 17:36:09 -
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Back in my days we did everything in assembler. Full screen. In realtime!
Nowadays kids have no ******* clue how to write fast code or not rely on hardware to do a man's job.
We had fast, actual voxel engines, not silly, gigantic blocks like in minecraft. We had realtime raytracing, fullscreen, running on a single cpu!
And then came Windows.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:24:15 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Back in my days we did everything in assembler. Full screen. In realtime!
Nowadays kids have no ******* clue how to write fast code or not rely on hardware to do a man's job.
We had fast, actual voxel engines, not silly, gigantic blocks like in minecraft. We had realtime raytracing, fullscreen, running on a single cpu!
And then came Windows. Word.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:08:19 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:I don't need to upgrade my PC every year just to play a video game. If the choice is Eve for an extra 400-1000 dollars, or going without so that I don't need to upgrade my PC, the choice for me is very clear.
Realistically speaking you only need to upgrade the graphics card which you can get for a couple of hundred bucks. My computer is about 4 years old with parts that were couple of years old even then, yet it's DX11 capable. So you know, upgrade your comp at least once a decade, cheapskate. :P |
Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.15 12:49:18 -
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Tippia wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Back in my days we did everything in assembler. Full screen. In realtime!
Nowadays kids have no ******* clue how to write fast code or not rely on hardware to do a man's job.
We had fast, actual voxel engines, not silly, gigantic blocks like in minecraft. We had realtime raytracing, fullscreen, running on a single cpu!
And then came Windows. Word. Second Reality, hell yeah! :D I remember us talking a bit about the topic. ^_^
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The difference between me whining and you whining is that I whine and keep trying, no matter what.
You weaklings do nothing BUT whining. Disgusting.
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Neesa Corrinne
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:27:43 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Teinyhr wrote:I'm amused that the OP thinks the majority of EVE players would have DX12 capable setups before 2022. Seriously I think something like 30% of EVE players were still using Windows XP a mere couple of years ago. I don't need to upgrade my PC every year just to play a video game. If the choice is Eve for an extra 400-1000 dollars, or going without so that I don't need to upgrade my PC, the choice for me is very clear.
400-1000 dollars? Good googly moogly, that's overkill. Even if you bought a current gen card, you'd only need a GTX 960 which you can get on sale for like 150-180 if you time it right. |
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
128
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Posted - 2015.05.15 15:02:51 -
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Neesa Corrinne wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:Teinyhr wrote:I'm amused that the OP thinks the majority of EVE players would have DX12 capable setups before 2022. Seriously I think something like 30% of EVE players were still using Windows XP a mere couple of years ago. I don't need to upgrade my PC every year just to play a video game. If the choice is Eve for an extra 400-1000 dollars, or going without so that I don't need to upgrade my PC, the choice for me is very clear. 400-1000 dollars? Good googly moogly, that's overkill. Even if you bought a current gen card, you'd only need a GTX 960 which you can get on sale for like 150-180 if you time it right.
A next gen card only works as well as the next bottleneck in your system, whether its ram that is not made anymore so is increasing in price, or a new mobo to handle new ram.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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stoicfaux
5587
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Posted - 2015.05.15 15:53:16 -
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IIRC, the EVE servers don't run graphics, so DX12 will not improve time dilation.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1798
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Posted - 2015.05.15 17:20:01 -
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stoicfaux wrote:IIRC, the EVE servers don't run graphics, so DX12 will not improve time dilation.
Even if it did run the graphic, you would still be stuck with clogged CPU pipes because of all those god damn object in space on the same node. |
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