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Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:39:32 -
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Hello all...
I currently run my L4 missions using a Rattlesnake with the missiles+MJD+Sentries strategy.
I must say that its pretty easy mode and my skills are on the low side for such a ship. However, it can be a little boring to always see the action from 100km away.
This said, i would like to find an alternative that could change the pace from time to time.
What would be a good "brawler" ships that could allow me to be up close and personal with the Rats of l4 missions?
Do you have a fit to propose?
Skill-wise, i have all fitting skills at 4 or 5. I am decent with drones and missiles but i would not mind to try another weapon system. I can do both Shield and Armor tanking, but my skills are better with Shield.
I exclusively do mission in Amarr space these days.
Thanks
Ps: i am jaleous of my mentor who flies a Golem...and stay right in the middle of the action. That is why i would like to try something more close ranged. |
Paranoid Loyd
5139
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Posted - 2015.05.14 21:05:05 -
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To keep it simple you can always just change to torps and heavy drones or a single Gecko. (Geckos are expensive but track frigs much better than Heavies.)
Nightmares also work well in Amarr space.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1642
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Posted - 2015.05.14 22:36:35 -
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Any regular T1 battleship will have bad time with ECM. In Amarr space you have neutralizers? I've tried to use Kronos but yeah, as LLoyd said - most of the time you have fights in 40-50km distance. Even Marauder bonus for LMJD pause does not help in such cases....
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Roseline Penshar
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
37
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Posted - 2015.05.15 00:50:56 -
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Try use cni or typhoon, you could use typhoon with passive tank if the neut is crazy enough...or sniping with missile in cni cruiser missile |
Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2015.05.15 03:05:29 -
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If you want to brawl in L4 missions, use an Enyo. You'll be orbiting your targets at around 3km, is that close enough for you? :P
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Yolli Sly
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.15 06:55:00 -
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Pod Panik wrote:Hello all...
What would be a good "brawler" ships that could allow me to be up close and personal with the Rats of l4 missions?
Do you have a fit to propose?
Thanks
Ps: i am jaleous of my mentor who flies a Golem...and stay right in the middle of the action. That is why i would like to try something more close ranged.
Just use your Rattlesnake as a brawler. I use this fit:
Rattlesnake (brawler): Low: Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Internal Force Field Array I
Middle: LMJD 100 MWD II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large (Medium) Shield Buster II
High: Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I
Rigs: 2xLarge Core Defense Field Purger II 1xLarge Core Defense Field Extender II
Drone Bay: Gecko 2xCaldari Navy Warden 2xFederation Navy Garde 5xHobgoblin II
With this fit I have some troubles only if GÇ£World CollideGÇ¥ Guristas Room. Depending on the skills, you have to use some Faction Modules or Implants because CPU fitting issues.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
594
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Posted - 2015.05.15 07:49:14 -
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ham tengu for close buttclenching pve
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erg cz
Tribal Core
251
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Posted - 2015.05.15 08:03:58 -
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I always thought, that rattlensake is a sniper boat and Machariel is a melee close and personal mission boat.
But I may be wrong, cause I use Dominix all the time ;) |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1570
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Posted - 2015.05.15 09:14:26 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:If you want to brawl in L4 missions, use an Enyo. You'll be orbiting your targets at around 3km, is that close enough for you? :P
Enyo, Ishkur or Hawk all good fun in level 4's for the full on brawl sensation. Slower than a battleship but a great deal more fun. You may have issues breaking some tanks with the Hawk, so I'd recommend either of the first two for their increased dps.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2015.05.15 12:38:45 -
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Pod Panik wrote:Hello all...
I currently run my L4 missions using a Rattlesnake with the missiles+MJD+Sentries strategy.
I must say that its pretty easy mode and my skills are on the low side for such a ship. However, it can be a little boring to always see the action from 100km away.
This said, i would like to find an alternative that could change the pace from time to time.
What would be a good "brawler" ships that could allow me to be up close and personal with the Rats of l4 missions?
Do you have a fit to propose?
Skill-wise, i have all fitting skills at 4 or 5. I am decent with drones and missiles but i would not mind to try another weapon system. I can do both Shield and Armor tanking, but my skills are better with Shield.
I exclusively do mission in Amarr space these days.
If no Marauder is available to you, then buy yourself a Nightmare. Not that far away from the Pala and thanks to tracking bonus you can even brawl with Tachyon Beams as soon as you closed the distance, which is quite fast thanks to AB Bonus. Until that you can snipe away annoying webbing frigates. Some people prefer Pulse on that ship, but I found Tachyons to be the weapons system to go with without refitting. Split it into two groups and alpha away up to Battlecruisers (both groups together of course).
I had a lot of fun with that ship. Changed to a Rattlesnake now, but w/o MJD of course, because MJD Rattlesnake is just bullshit from my point of view as it performs much better when it's directly between the rats! |
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Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
109
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:02:56 -
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I recomment a Machariel or NIghtmare with polarized weapons, work pretty nice in most missions, 1700dps, good tracking and still enought tank
i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=24183
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:46:54 -
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Yolli Sly wrote:Pod Panik wrote:Hello all...
What would be a good "brawler" ships that could allow me to be up close and personal with the Rats of l4 missions?
Do you have a fit to propose?
Thanks
Ps: i am jaleous of my mentor who flies a Golem...and stay right in the middle of the action. That is why i would like to try something more close ranged. Just use your Rattlesnake as a brawler. I use this fit: Rattlesnake (brawler): Low: Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Internal Force Field Array I Middle: LMJD 100 MWD II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large (Medium) Shield Buster II High: Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I Rigs: 2xLarge Core Defense Field Purger II 1xLarge Core Defense Field Extender II Drone Bay: Gecko 2xCaldari Navy Warden 2xFederation Navy Garde 5xHobgoblin II With this fit I have some troubles only if GÇ£World CollideGÇ¥ Guristas Room. Depending on the skills, you have to use some Faction Modules or Implants because CPU fitting issues. Why a LMJD and wardens on a brawl fit?
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Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
37
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:58:40 -
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I must say that the Nightmare always intrigued me with his AB speed bonus. What type of speed can we achieve on that ship? And does it have the tank to tough close encounters?
As for the T3, I doubt they would have the tank to endure a couple BS throwing everything at them. |
Yolli Sly
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:12:01 -
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[/quote]Why a LMJD and wardens on a brawl fit? [/quote]
:)
To jump in to the battle. There are several missions where rats orbit oround trigers in space 90-100 km away so it is easy to jump in to instead to flay to reach range .....and because every one on this forum talks about suicide gankers ....and just in case.
I use senries depending of the situation. For example - if rats are 60-70 km away when I arrived in poket ....or if frigates/cruisers are out and Geko have to flay a lot from one BS to another ...and so on. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2015.05.15 14:18:55 -
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Pod Panik wrote:I must say that the Nightmare always intrigued me with his AB speed bonus. What type of speed can we achieve on that ship? And does it have the tank to tough close encounters?
As for the T3, I doubt they would have the tank to endure a couple BS throwing everything at them. An ab still gets you significantly less speed than a mwd. For missions its kind of ok just for gate burning and for avoiding that cap penalty. Tbh the entire line is still avoided for pvp but thats not the question, right? Pyfa tells me ab is 746 and mwd is 1037. |
Paranoid Loyd
5162
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Posted - 2015.05.15 19:51:27 -
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Pod Panik wrote:As for the T3, I doubt they would have the tank to endure a couple BS throwing everything at them. They do and then some, don't under estimate the power of sig tanking.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
37
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Posted - 2015.05.15 20:00:30 -
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But with medium size weapon systems, it will take AGES to chew through BS tanks.
I might be very wrong. I am just starting to study T3 ships as my skill set is nowhere in that area yet. But from what are read, and what I tested with EvEHQ, they can't match their T2 counterpart at their speciality. But they do have better tanks and the possibility to adapt to every situation, which is pretty nice.
What fit would you use, on the Legion (I want to try lasers for a change!!! No Ammo!!!) to sig tank L4 missions?
As usual, many thanks for sharing the wisdom!
Pod |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
355
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Posted - 2015.05.15 21:12:29 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Pod Panik wrote:As for the T3, I doubt they would have the tank to endure a couple BS throwing everything at them. They do and then some, don't under estimate the power of sig tanking.
A rail proteus can put out over 700 DPS with 250mm with great application at 10-40k, while tanking pretty much anything.
You DO have to actually pay attention and fly your ship, and be mindful of triggers. I lost mine because I allowed myself to get blobbed by scram/web frigs. If you want a ship that requires a more active playstyle, rail proteus will do it. Just be sure to target frigates first because bad things can happen if you get heavily webbed infront of a bunch of BS.
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Paranoid Loyd
5164
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Posted - 2015.05.15 21:22:57 -
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Pod Panik wrote:But with medium size weapon systems, it will take AGES to chew through BS tanks.
I might be very wrong. I am just starting to study T3 ships as my skill set is nowhere in that area yet. But from what are read, and what I tested with EvEHQ, they can't match their T2 counterpart at their speciality. But they do have better tanks and the possibility to adapt to every situation, which is pretty nice.
What fit would you use, on the Legion (I want to try lasers for a change!!! No Ammo!!!) to sig tank L4 missions?
As usual, many thanks for sharing the wisdom!
Pod Yeah they are not optimal, but as you mentioned they have great tanks and are very mobile. They work well for mission running in hostile space if you are into the challenge. As far as weapon size, also keep in mind smaller weapons do less damage but generally apply damage much better, so while paper DPS may show like a large gap, the actual DPS gap will be much smaller in most cases.
Can't really help you with Legion fits, haven't ventured into that realm yet, mostly a Tengu and Proteus user.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1119
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Posted - 2015.05.16 05:29:05 -
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depends on what else you can fly.
although for the most part I'd say stick with the rattlesnake. the thermal bonus works pretty well vs amarr rats. XL booster burst tank with a cap injector should work pretty well for pretty much everything lv4s can throw at you. Can throw a few faction mods on there to help out with fittings.
[Rattlesnake, lv4 t2] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Gecko x1 Garde II x2 Curator II x2
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Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
88
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Posted - 2015.05.17 14:01:07 -
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Up close and personal? There are three ships that I use for this: vindicator, machariel and Astarte. All of them have more than 1100 DPS, and in the case of the Astarte, you have to get really close... |
John Henke
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2015.05.17 16:07:21 -
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If you want to get close and personal, you could use something like this for brawling:
[Dominix Navy Issue, Blaster] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Armor Repairer II Reactive Armor Hardener Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Drone Navigation Computer II Drone Navigation Computer II Stasis Webifier II Large Capacitor Battery II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot I x2 Ogre II x5 Ogre II x5
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Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
37
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Posted - 2015.05.17 20:00:29 -
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Katabrok First wrote:Up close and personal? There are three ships that I use for this: vindicator, machariel and Astarte. All of them have more than 1100 DPS, and in the case of the Astarte, you have to get really close...
I am surprised that the Nightmare is not a prime contender for the "Brawler Approach". With its bonus to AB, its can reach over 700 m/s. In addition, his bonus to tracking speed could help even more when things are zooming around...
Why would the Mach be better? His speed bonus is only relevant to actually "get on site". So the Nightmare tracks well and hit like a truck. This leaves mid slots for better shiekd tank (instead of tracking) and low slots for heat sinks.
Pod
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stoicfaux
5628
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Posted - 2015.05.17 20:58:18 -
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Machariel: Level 4 Blitzer - MWD - Web - EW Drones - Minmatar Space.
It's a tad on the pricey side; cheaper modules would work pretty well.
P.S. On a side note, battleclinic's interface has gotten ugly.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
260
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Posted - 2015.05.17 21:04:56 -
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Pod Panik wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Up close and personal? There are three ships that I use for this: vindicator, machariel and Astarte. All of them have more than 1100 DPS, and in the case of the Astarte, you have to get really close... I am surprised that the Nightmare is not a prime contender for the "Brawler Approach". With its bonus to AB, its can reach over 700 m/s. In addition, his bonus to tracking speed could help even more when things are zooming around... Why would the Mach be better? His speed bonus is only relevant to actually "get on site". So the Nightmare tracks well and hit like a truck. This leaves mid slots for better shiekd tank (instead of tracking) and low slots for heat sinks. Pod Jimi The ab hurts its tracking but you can practice flying in a mach way to avoid that. Its not bad but a little flimsy in tank. Still needs tracking mods though a lot of the time. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1128
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Posted - 2015.05.18 03:11:04 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Pod Panik wrote:Katabrok First wrote:Up close and personal? There are three ships that I use for this: vindicator, machariel and Astarte. All of them have more than 1100 DPS, and in the case of the Astarte, you have to get really close... I am surprised that the Nightmare is not a prime contender for the "Brawler Approach". With its bonus to AB, its can reach over 700 m/s. In addition, his bonus to tracking speed could help even more when things are zooming around... Why would the Mach be better? His speed bonus is only relevant to actually "get on site". So the Nightmare tracks well and hit like a truck. This leaves mid slots for better shiekd tank (instead of tracking) and low slots for heat sinks. Pod Jimi The ab hurts its tracking but you can practice flying in a mach way to avoid that. Its not bad but a little flimsy in tank. Still needs tracking mods though a lot of the time.
the ab can hurt or help depending on how you use it.
I think the main reasons the nightmare isn't immediately mentioned is due to damage type, and that for the most part the paladin does a better job. The damage type isn't really even an issue for most missions, but many people seem obsessed with only having one mission ship. I haven't flown my nightmare since the marauder changes a while back. The nightmare can fit a beefy tank, shields are great for burst tanking. and it can fit for a lot of gank. With tachs it has very good projection. pulse is good for brawling and can get some projection with scorch.
mach has selectable damage, warp speed, agility, and with a 100mn mwd it goes ~1500. For many missions the hit and run style works very well. plus at close ranges it hits very hard. Arty fits take a bit of a dps hit, but I typically fly those when I only have to hit a few targets, and don't want to worry about range too much.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Amanda Chan
Error 404 Pod Not Found
6
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Posted - 2015.05.18 12:22:52 -
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Pod Panik wrote:Hello all...
I currently run my L4 missions using a Rattlesnake with the missiles+MJD+Sentries strategy.
I must say that its pretty easy mode and my skills are on the low side for such a ship. However, it can be a little boring to always see the action from 100km away.
This said, i would like to find an alternative that could change the pace from time to time.
What would be a good "brawler" ships that could allow me to be up close and personal with the Rats of l4 missions?
Do you have a fit to propose?
Skill-wise, i have all fitting skills at 4 or 5. I am decent with drones and missiles but i would not mind to try another weapon system. I can do both Shield and Armor tanking, but my skills are better with Shield.
I exclusively do mission in Amarr space these days.
Thanks
Ps: i am jaleous of my mentor who flies a Golem...and stay right in the middle of the action. That is why i would like to try something more close ranged.
Chainsaw Plankton had a pretty decent fit for you. Although I'm not a fan of slow boating without a prop mod.
The Rattlesnake poses some problems. It's a dual weapon system, so that's mid slots thatl have to be sacrificed to help apply your drone's damage because your lows are already boosting your drone and missile damage. Sacrificing mids mean your tank is lighter, if you want to get down and dirty your going to have to pimp them which can easily send your fit north of a billion isk.
There's a reason for the popularity of MJD fits, they skimp on tank to have max gank.
A Caldari Navy Raven is a great missile boat that can field a hefty tank and still have decent DPS.
There are just way to many possibilities with what you can do. To get close and personal.
EVE is all about choices, you can shoe horn most ships into any role. Why don't you tell us the hull you want to fly and we can work from there.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2015.05.18 15:20:38 -
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Amanda Chan wrote:Pod Panik wrote:Hello all...
I currently run my L4 missions using a Rattlesnake with the missiles+MJD+Sentries strategy.
I must say that its pretty easy mode and my skills are on the low side for such a ship. However, it can be a little boring to always see the action from 100km away.
This said, i would like to find an alternative that could change the pace from time to time.
What would be a good "brawler" ships that could allow me to be up close and personal with the Rats of l4 missions?
Do you have a fit to propose?
Skill-wise, i have all fitting skills at 4 or 5. I am decent with drones and missiles but i would not mind to try another weapon system. I can do both Shield and Armor tanking, but my skills are better with Shield.
I exclusively do mission in Amarr space these days.
Thanks
Ps: i am jaleous of my mentor who flies a Golem...and stay right in the middle of the action. That is why i would like to try something more close ranged. Chainsaw Plankton had a pretty decent fit for you. Although I'm not a fan of slow boating without a prop mod. The Rattlesnake poses some problems. It's a dual weapon system, so that's mid slots thatl have to be sacrificed to help apply your drone's damage because your lows are already boosting your drone and missile damage. Sacrificing mids mean your tank is lighter, if you want to get down and dirty your going to have to pimp them which can easily send your fit north of a billion isk. There's a reason for the popularity of MJD fits, they skimp on tank to have max gank. A Caldari Navy Raven is a great missile boat that can field a hefty tank and still have decent DPS. There are just way to many possibilities with what you can do. To get close and personal. EVE is all about choices, you can shoe horn most ships into any role. Why don't you tell us the hull you want to fly and we can work from there. Actually the rattle tank is perfectly fine with one navy xl booster, one heavy cap booster, and one hardener. Could be that hardener is an invuln if you wish. Invuln gets you 465 tank vs guristas which is fine and 330 vs sansha which have crap accuracy anyways. And you can overheat for much more tank. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
150
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Posted - 2015.05.19 14:14:01 -
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Are there any decent Vindi fits to brawl with that don't require me flying over a billion isks worth of gank bait? I had a crack at it with pyfa, but frankly the results I came up with either I would gank me or I might as well stick with my Rokh cos its not a good enough improvement.
Will gank for food
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Paranoid Loyd
5222
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Posted - 2015.05.19 20:38:59 -
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Tarojan wrote:Are there any decent Vindi fits to brawl with that don't require me flying over a billion isks worth of gank bait? I had a crack at it with pyfa, but frankly the results I came up with either I would gank me or I might as well stick with my Rokh cos its not a good enough improvement. ?
At a glance with a T2 only fit I get a 30% increase in DPS compared to the Rokh with worse projection but better tracking, not to mention bonused webs for holding things down that are difficult to hit. The tank is definitely not as good but doing 30% more DPS should easily counter the need for the stronger tank. I guess that leaves me wondering how you fit your Rokh.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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