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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 08:11:00 -
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Omicron Productions Inc
Mission Statement:
Omicron Productions Inc is a newly founded corporation dedicated to the production of ships in The Forge region. The goal of OmcP is to become a leading provider of ships in the Forge Region. There are plans to expand beyond The Forge but only once OmcP's production and sales has spread through out The Forge.
About the CEO:
I am a year experienced Pod Pilot though I recently went on vacation from flight to relax in the peaceful System of Jita. I grew tired of the bordem and came back to excitement of Pod Piloting. My skills were old and rusty so I bought a clone of another retired pod pilot and am ready to begin my career as a CEO and producer.
The Financial Break Down:
Total Shares: 20000
Shares held by CEO: 10200
Investment by CEO: 1.2 Billion
Shares Cost: 100,000 per
Dividend Payouts: Weekly 50% of Net Profit
Reinvestment: 50% of Net Profit will be reinvested into the corporation to expand operations.
Contact in game: Tirfa
Weekly Corporate Report (this will be done once a week and itemized as such)
Expense Report to date:
7.8million- Office Space 20million-Covetor 5Million- Mining Equipment
Total Expenses: 32.8 Million
Gross Profit Report to date:
Nil
Net Profit Report to date:
-32.8million
Future Intentions Statement: (every week I will provide a weekly intentions statement this will inform investors about what the goals for the next week are)
In the coming week I intend to employee at least 10 employees these employees will all be given a sign on bonus and will be given a bonus of shares in the Corporation.
Expectations: -The Purchase of 4 BPOs -Scorpion BPO -Ferox BPO -Large Armor Repairer 1 BPO -Caracal BPO -The Beginning of Production and sales. -Yield a first week net profit that is Positive.
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:11:00 -
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Note: Investors of 100 shares or more will be able to order 1 Battleship and 1 Battlecruiser per week at cost.
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rajeem
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:25:00 -
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Sounds like a good investment to get into at the bottom I'm in for 100 shares. its only 10 mil isk a drop in the bucket.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:33:00 -
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Ok so we have a 1 year old player with no reputation, no backing other than a 6 week noob corp alt who expects us to give him 2 billion isk freely so he can build t1 ships. No profit forecasts, no secrutiy, no thought.
This is either a badly run IPO or a scam.
DO NOT INVEST
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 09:42:38 Its not a scam and I have planned very well I didn't want to fill my post up with useless information feel free to contact me in game for more detailed information.
As for a forcast it is the first day of the Corporation I have given the details on how the IPO will be run, Feel free to wait for a few weeks to invest once you see a profit margin developing that is not a problem.
As for reputation I will have some people who know me and are long time players post some character statements here.
I hope this will ease some of the concerns
I don't ask you to trust me off the bat or think that I will turn a profit just please don't bash me until the IPO is failing this is the first day there is no reason for bashing hehe.
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:11:00 -
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Right now I'd call it a risky venture, but what the hell, I'll toss in 10M for shares. Though I wont be online for another two and a half hours at least as I'm still at work.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 09:42:38 Its not a scam and I have planned very well I didn't want to fill my post up with useless information feel free to contact me in game for more detailed information.
As for a forcast it is the first day of the Corporation I have given the details on how the IPO will be run, Feel free to wait for a few weeks to invest once you see a profit margin developing that is not a problem.
As for reputation I will have some people who know me and are long time players post some character statements here.
I hope this will ease some of the concerns
I don't ask you to trust me off the bat or think that I will turn a profit just please don't bash me until the IPO is failing this is the first day there is no reason for bashing hehe.
There is plenty of reason to "bash" your IPO if it looks like a scam. Do you expect people to just sit by and watch as you take money from others without any apparent objection.
I am asking you now for a profit forecast, including projected costs. Please share this with us. I would also like to see an exit strategy, at least 3 reputable people give their backing to this and some screenshots of your login and screenshots of all the characters' skills who will be manufacturing.
If you are legit, I'm sure you understand why people are skeptical and why there is a need for you to provide such information.
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:33:00 -
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I fully understand your concern and as I said in reply to your post in the Sell Orders for shares I agree and respect your watching out for the EVE Community as well I also said that I created this IPO today and reputable people that I have known for a long time will be posting references here tomarrow.
In response to your original post a detailed description of what will occur if the IPO fails was added please read the updates I have made to the description due to your posts. If you would like to contact me in game and share concerns and comments in chat I would be more than welcome.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 10:39:04 I fully understand your concern and as I said in reply to your post in the Sell Orders for shares I agree and respect your watching out for the EVE Community as well I also said that I created this IPO today and reputable people that I have known for a long time will be posting references here tomarrow.
In response to your original post a detailed description of what will occur if the IPO fails was added please read the updates I have made to the description due to your posts. If you would like to contact me in game and share concerns and comments in chat I would be more than welcome.
As for projected expense and profit and a forcast on profit this information I am unable to give at the moment please let me explain.
As in the edit I made I have stated that I will be aquiring contracts for low sec minerals to protect corp assets and in return investers profits. I feel that the extra expense of buying low sec minerals out weighs the possible loss of mining vessels and haulers. The projected cost depends fully on the price per unit of the contracts aquired as well as the ammount of basic mineral that has to be purchased due to short falls in our mining teams. Unfortunatly due to both of these reasons I can not give a expense projection profit projection or forcast as of this time.
Where is your profit forecast? Where is your cost estimates? If you haven't does this, how do you know you will even make money on this? Who are in contact with about low sec mineral contracts? Surely you have some estimates? If not, then what if it turns out you only make 10 mil per month profit? Are you going to research your BPOs? Almost all t1 producers use researched BPOs. If you are not, then how do you expect to compete?
Furthermore, you are paying yourself no salary - something I always find indicative of scams.
You admit you bought this character, yet don't mention who your original character was?
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 10:57:05 I really wish that you would read my replies I gave a detailed reason for not having a forcast. As well as other questions you asked that have answers written. If you have comments and questions that is fine but please read the responses and the updated IPO Description to know what has been answered.
In response to you salery question if you fully read my IPO plan you would see that I am retaining 20001 shares out of 40001 shares and thus I will get paid via the weekly dividends. My Salery goes up with the ammount of profit.
In response to the question about researching BPOs they will be researched while others are being produced to provide a small profit margin while good BPOs are researched.
As for who I am in contact with for low sec Mineral Contracts I said that information would be given at request to Investers.
As for not giving my characters name as I said before I sold my combat character to buy this character to make a production corp IPO. To protect the identity of the person who bought my old character I am not giving that information.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Ra on 11/11/2006 11:06:20
Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 10:57:05 I really wish that you would read my replies I gave a detailed reason for not having a forcast. As well as other questions you asked that have answers written. If you have comments and questions that is fine but please read the responses and the updated IPO Description to know what has been answered.
In response to you salery question if you fully read my IPO plan you would see that I am retaining 20001 shares out of 40001 shares and thus I will get paid via the weekly dividends. My Salery goes up with the ammount of profit.
In response to the question about researching BPOs they will be researched while others are being produced to provide a small profit margin while good BPOs are researched.
As for who I am in contact with for low sec Mineral Contracts I said that information would be given at request to Investers.
As for not giving my characters name as I said before I sold my combat character to buy this character to make a production corp IPO. To protect the identity of the person who bought my old character I am not giving that information.
A profit forecast is only a forecast. It is apparent that you do not have one. This should be a major warning sign to investors. You essentially have no idea how much money you are going to make. Even if your supposed "contract" is not final, you should have an idea of approximate costs. What if the contract falls through? You are essentailly running the corporation for free, making as much profit as any other investor. This is a warning sign.
You have failed to give us ANY information on who you are. You purchased a character recently and if you decide to scam investors, you can easily take the money and run without anyone knowing who you are.
"they will be researched while others are being produced to provide a small profit margin while good BPOs are researched"
This makes no sense. You have no plan about when you are going to research your blueprints and provide no indication as to how long this will take or what the implications are for your profit. Furthermore, you failed to mention this critical aspect until I questioned you about it!
You mention you will give out your mineral contract information to investors. Why would anyone invest given the current information, unless you give out this information.
This has SCAM written all over it.
Until, more information comes to light, I urge all potential investors NOT TO INVEST ANY ISK. This is shaping up to be a textbook scam. Although, should more information come to light, I am happy to change my opinion.
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kesslan Osefice on 11/11/2006 11:07:10
Originally by: Shin Ra
You admit you bought this character, yet don't mention who your original character was?
Well I may have that answer, and here is the logic tree: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=424103&page=1#4
Notice the char pic from the listings on the Auction: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/tiganu/Attributes%281%29.png
Now follow the buyer to this post: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=326620&page=4#107
And you see where Major Ganksta says he's lowrider1
You can find out what their recent posts are by clicking on their pictures (And then show recent posts beneath that) and you'll see how I dug all this up :D
Of course this by no means perfect
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:30:00 -
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owned.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:37:00 -
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I enjoy how you get to keep 20001 shares, that you bought at half price of what your selling the other 20000 shares to the public.
And as to my esteemed basher of IPO's from Burn Eden said, you got a lot of holes in your plan, that the wiser investors wont even bother to touch. --
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:37:00 -
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Form history searches FTW. Or well not quite the win in this instance. But generally the more open you are about the characters history (Especially in the case of one that's been traded) is better than not saying anything becaus that generally really hurts the trust level.
Thats really an important thing about an IPO really, considering just how many have been scams. Revealing then who your real main would probably go a LONG way towards establishing that, and you dont really have to tell quite everyone. If you look at the Zero. IPO you'll see that alot of confirmation went through via quite well trusted sources (Such as Omber Zombie appears to be)
You may want to consider doing that yourself to add further credibility. But again thats just one nublets suggestion.
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tirfa
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:51:00 -
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Yes I am sure showing my main would be a great help to everyone unfortunatly I sold it to buy this character and now this character is my main.
I supposed that it is possible my IPO has some gaps it doesn't mean it is a scam. It is my first IPO, I intend to do everything I can to make it succeed.
As for the number of shares I hold. If you think it will be better I can reduce it down. I will have 10001 out of 20001 so I invested the same ammount I am asking others too. If anyone wants to be constructive in helping me fill the holes in this IPO and you have experience my MSN is [email protected] feel free to add me and help out.
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Fumer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 12:37:00 -
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I have know this "Player" since i started the game, and i vouch for his intentions and honesty in gameplay, he has never been with a prat char he used to have a anti prat char that was well known and respected. I know it would be better to say who that char was but that is not possible. but i myself will be investing in his corp. fly safe Fumer CEO Free Lapland
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leona starfire
Lion's Emporium
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: leona starfire on 11/11/2006 13:16:15 Ive bought into this IPO - ive bought 250 shares and reserved another 750. Although only risk what you can afford to lose.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:19:00 -
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Why did you change the Large Armor Reparier I bpo you were going to purchase to a Badger MK2?
Furthermore, the 4 BPOs you claim to be purchasing: Scorp, Ferox, Badger MK2 and Caracal cost 905 million isk.
Why do you need an additional 2 billion from investors when you already have over a billion isk yourself? It seems to me from these figures, there is no need to run an IPO. You have the cash to purchase all of those BPOs yourself, with enough left over to purchase minerals for at least 2 production runs of each blueprint.
Please explain.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 13:44:32 Yes I decided to go pure ship building as it seemed to be a better investment to be honest. I think most people would look at it this way.
I would be happy to explain the investments needed. What you read as it states is the weekly future intentions statement. That is what I want to achieve in the first week of the IPO. After the first week and things getting working I plan to buy a Raven BPO and start research on that while I produce the other ships.
A weekly intentions statement will come out as dividends get paid out on friday on the IPOs website. So Everyweek people will be able to see what the Corporation has accomplished what it wanted to accomplish and what it is planning to accomplish.
If there are enough funds at the time I buy the raven BP I will also buy a Mega BP and start research on that as well.
I hope this answered your questions.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Yes I decided to go pure ship building as it seemed to be a better investment to be honest. I think most people would look at it this way.
I would be happy to explain the investments needed. What you read is the weekly future intentions statement. That is what I want to achieve in the first week of the IPO. After the first week and things getting working I plan to buy a Raven BPO and start research on that while I produce the other ships.
A weekly intentions statement will come out as dividends get paid out on friday on the IPOs website. So Everyweek people will be able to see what the Corporation has accomplished what it wanted to accomplish and what it is planning to accomplish.
If there are enough funds at the time I buy the raven BP I will also buy a Mega BP and start research on that as well.
As far as we know, you just made that up right now. You never mentioned any of this on your original post despite the fact it is a KEY aspect of your proposed business. Furthermore, you mention you are going to research you are going to research your battleship BPO(s?) in the first week. How long are you going to spend researching them? What ME/PE will you take them to? When will you purchase additional raven/mega BPOs?
Even if you are telling the truth, which I highly doubt, your business plan keeps changing every time I make a post. I strongly suggest you stop what you are doing, and rethink this whole thing and come back in a week or two with a proper plan.
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Cialtron Heston
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:46:00 -
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50 mils worth of your shares for me (500 shares). Isk are on their way |
Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:55:00 -
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just withdrawl your ipo, and take a nice solid look at it. Compare it to those that have succeded and those that havent the last couple of months. Your IPO presentation is very very sloppy, even in the begining of the market you would have had a hard sell. Now with many of us burned once or twice by other IPO's you can be sure that a **** poor plan gets nailed as a scam till proved otherwise.
My best honest suggestion, take you IPO down, and instead put up a post asking for some finacial help. There are a few people who will mentor your IPO.
Case in point to your misunderstanding of the situation, your belief that you need to keep 50%+1 in your control. You dont, only if you have a director to usurp you do you actually need to keep control of the shares. You insisting on keeping them while not having payed full value for them, just gets everyones scam meters a ticking.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 14:01:07 Shin Ra, My buisness plan isn't changing I am sorry you see it that way. I am adding more detail and posting more detail when you ask questions. The fact is that you have been nothing but annoying with your questions and you refuse to fully read my replies. As I said in the original post contact me in game with any comments questions or concerns and I will be happy to talk to you. Yet you sit on the forums spamming them without reading my replies with negativity. Nothing is changing things are just being explained that the people that already have invested have asked me in game. A lot more detail will be on the website when it comes up as well as forums for people to ask questions on the site.
I don't care what you think of the IPO it is legit, I don't know what side of the bed you got up on but I am not going to answer anymore of your questions have a good day.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:05:00 -
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Thank you all for your interest in my IPO. For those of you who have invested thank you much. For those that have not please contact me in game if you wish to. Unfortunatly at the moment I am still in the process of creating the neccessary shares to provide for all the requests I have. No additional shares will be sold until tomarrow but you can reserve them without any cost by contacting me.
For people that just want to punch holes in my IPO
If you feel uncomfortable then don't buy shares its that simple. I already explained the fix for the share holdings by me I am putting 50% of my dividends back into the corp. Aparently you did not read that. Please stop just skimming and flaming its pointless. Have a good day.
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 11/11/2006 14:13:10 build bships from cheap low me bpc`s, befor u make a profit from the bpo`s, u`ll have to build and sell them for 2 years with these crappy prices
more profit in bpc`s
edit; having a freighter to move minerals isn`t a bad idea also if u have that sort of capital available
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 14:01:07 Shin Ra, My buisness plan isn't changing I am sorry you see it that way. I am adding more detail and posting more detail when you ask questions. The fact is that you have been nothing but annoying with your questions and you refuse to fully read my replies. As I said in the original post contact me in game with any comments questions or concerns and I will be happy to talk to you. Yet you sit on the forums spamming them without reading my replies with negativity. Nothing is changing things are just being explained that the people that already have invested have asked me in game. A lot more detail will be on the website when it comes up as well as forums for people to ask questions on the site.
I don't care what you think of the IPO it is legit, I don't know what side of the bed you got up on but I am not going to answer anymore of your questions have a good day.
I have read every single one of your replies, and all they do is answer some of my questions and give excuses for the rest. If you want to run a successful business you need to handle criticism, take note of it, and learn from this. You have failed at all 3. Asside from blaging your way through a few of my questions, you haven't fundamentally offered ANY reasons for anyone to trust you or to invest in your corp.
Insulting or fobbing me off will not persuade anyone you are legit.
Listen to what I'm saying and use this information to do it properly. If you have any business sense at all you should understand this.
Its a textbook scam (although missing the usual capital cronstruction part).
If you want my help in setting up your business, I can be of assistance. But unless your learn to work with the community rather than against it, you don't stand much chance.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:14:00 -
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Thank you,
That is a helpful idea I will definatly look into it and prehaps put it into play while researching the BPOs up. Thanks for the positive input as opposed to pointless attacks and flaming
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Thank you,
That is a helpful idea I will definatly look into it and prehaps put it into play while researching the BPOs up. Thanks for the positive input as opposed to pointless attacks and flaming
These are not pointless attacks or flaming. These are genuine concern and reasonable requests for information.
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Kerushi
Caldari AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Thank you,
That is a helpful idea I will definatly look into it and prehaps put it into play while researching the BPOs up. Thanks for the positive input as opposed to pointless attacks and flaming
np, but i really suggest not to tie up 2b in bs bpo`s, with that money u can aquire a large stock of minerals
doing the same atm and with that capital in minerals i just built 20 arma`s with alot of minerals to spare for another 20
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