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Fumer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:21:00 -
[31]
i will be investing 100m to start with i know this guy and i have full trust in his vision and ability of making me a nice profit and the bs wont hurt :)
fumer ceo free lapland
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:21:00 -
[32]
As was promised once contracting was settled I would give the information. It wasn't a lie and there was no need for the attacks.
Our Low Sec Mineral contract has been set with Free Lapland Corporation for one month. Prices we will be paying are approximately 10% under market investers can contact me for precise cost if they want the information.
The Mineral will be delivered to high sec space and then transported to our production facilities through routes that stay in .5 and above.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:37:00 -
[33]
i'll take 1 mil ISK (10 shares)
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 15:23:00 -
[34]
Contact me in game for buying of shares
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.11 15:53:00 -
[35]
After a long personal conversation with Tirfa, I have recieved several screenshots of wallet activiy and login screen. I have not received everything requested, but there were reasons which explained this. I will discuss my finding with Naph next time he is online and get back to everyone.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 16:03:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Shin Ra with Naph next time he is online
I think Naph is at fanfest, so maybe another +24hrs till then... --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 16:12:00 -
[37]
After a long conversation a lot was cleared up between Shin Ra and I. I look forward to his opinion on my finances and the such. Please contact me in game if you wish to invest.
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g 402a
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Posted - 2006.11.11 16:43:00 -
[38]
I will personally but 1k shares and will buy 5.5k shares on behalf of my corp.
Thanks
G 402a
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Fumer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 17:00:00 -
[39]
I as ceo of Free lapland have agreed to invest and buy 5500 shares of Omicron Production Inc shares, and as i previously stated will invest myself for 200m. this is a great oppertunity and LAPL is very happy to be a part of it. I will recomend to everyone i know to get in early since i expect the demand for the shares to go up very quickly. After personel have been hired i dont see anything that will stop this corp from growing and fylling its promis. Fumer Ceo Free lapland
(sig down do to server)
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:02:00 -
[40]
Shares going fast out of the original 20000 shares only 9250 shares remain openning for purchase/reservation. Please Contact me in game for reserving shares or purchasing shares.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa Shares going fast out of the original 20000 shares only 9250 shares remain openning for purchase/reservation. Please Contact me in game for reserving shares or purchasing shares.
and yet your corp description still says you only have 1000 shares...... --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:23:00 -
[42]
Edited by: tirfa on 11/11/2006 20:25:11 I guess we are having the same problem here as I was having with other people and not reading just feeling like bashing the IPO. If you had read all the posts you would have found the post that said I am currently in the waiting period to making the shares. People can reserve shares without any cost until the shares are ready to be delivered (this will occur in 11 hours).
So if you had read that and the posts by people who said they were investing instead of just reading the bottem post then logic would conclude that 10750 shares have been reserved leaving 9250 shares remaining.
K thanks.
PS: Incase your really lazy it was post number 25 that stated this.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:31:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Treelox on 11/11/2006 20:32:59
Originally by: tirfa
PS: Incase your really lazy it was post number 25 that stated this.
ty for pointing that out to
but once again this goes to the case in point, that I have been making, if not a scam, this is a very sloppy IPO. Sloppy IPO's very often mean sloppy corps, that dont make any isk.
All of this information, and all the information that Shin Ra, asked for really should have been in your intial post. Its all about presentation, and yours has sadly lacked.
While I may have problems reading, you have problems writing a clear well thought out business plan, and thats is why myself and others have been poking at you. Its real simple, i dont poke at things that are put together well.
P.S. I wouldnt have to skim, if you had put it all in one nicely formated post or two right at the begining of the thread :-) --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.11 20:42:00 -
[44]
Live and learn... to read.
I am not a accounting major and this is my first IPO what more do you want once again I say:
If you are uncomfortable with investing don't. If you do want to invest please contact me in game.
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Votee
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:55:00 -
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tirfa
I think you really shouldnt do any kind of IPO, because you lack the very basic skills of running a public company - P in IPO stads for public, remember?
First of all, an IPO should consist a coherent business plan backed with some numbers about the projected income, expense, profit, etc. etc. some facts, not just random quotes from the last 10 IPOs.
And then your PR. You want people to invest into your business, but you fail to present hardly any facts, and after some questions, you advise people to leave you alone . You should answer those questions fully, not with bs like "If you are uncomfortable with investing then don't". If you cant handle questions, then dont do a public company, make a private one, without an IPO.
You always defend with the "if you ask ingame, I will answer your questions". Well, YOU are the one who wants our money, so you should provide information without request, and every information what is relevant to the proposed business, not just "I buy and sell stuffs and make some money".
If you dont change drastically your attitude, your plan, the presentation of this whole thing, then I really hope you wont succeed raising money, because if you do so, then every wannabe scammer will make IPOs and continue ruining the already fragile IPO market, which is one of the most creative and interesting part of EVE
regards, Votee
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:09:00 -
[46]
Report
After talking with Tirfa for over an hour I came up with the following report.
General Feeling - At first glance the IPO screams scam. The presentation is very sloppy, not projected incomes are listed and there must have been over 20 edits to the original post. Phrases like "don't invest if you don't want" and "ask me questions in-game", also make this IPO look dodgy.
Character - Tirfa was purchased only a couple of hours before the original IPO thread. The character claims that he is not allowed to reveal the name of his old character as he promised this during its sale. For this reason, he has blanked out some entires on the screenshots of his wallet I received. Since this character has no tracible history, he should therefore be treated as a 1 day old noob in terms of trust. Would you trust your money to a 1 day old noob? Obviously not! I have received screenshots of two accounts owned by Tirfa. One has Tirfa, two noob corp chars. The other has no characters on it (one was just created now). He mentioned tranferring other character across to this account, but was unclear in explaining this fully to me. I would be VERY weary of this character.
Pitch - The pitch is terrible. Building t1 ships is a very bad idea for an IPO. Everyone and the mom already does it. Using researched BPOs, it will take approx 2 years to make your investment back. He is NOT using researched BPOs and he will have to research them. Then there is the fact he changed his business plan several times during my questioning. His IPO listed on this forum thread does not require any more isk than he currently has. He claims the additional isk is to buy a raven bpo in a few weeks and a tier 3 bpo when Kali comes out. Yet, he mentions this not once on his original post. While talking to him, he also proposed to buy a tier 3 bs bpo and research it to me:30 before selling them - a clear indication he lacks market sense. Then comes the share split. Initially he was only investing 1.05 billion for his 20001 shares, but after questioning this fairness, this has magically changed to 2.05 billion "thanks to the help of a friend". Yet again, NOT EXPLANATION as to how this extra money is going to be used. He has no profit estimates, no cost estimates and any information as to whether or not he makes a profit is purely guesswork. His claim is that he will make 10 mil isk per week. At this rate, it will take over 7 years to make your money back on your investment. The CEO claims that the corp will expand to make 100 mil per week. He gives no information on this other than its based on "research of O'mara Shipyards". TBH, the whole thing is total bull.
Attitude - The character's attitude is almost the definition of a scam artist. He pushes off answering some questions, answers other questions by changing his business plan and mentioning he did not want to "clutter" the thread, and finally when I really start putting pressure on him he gets very defensive to the point of threatening to ignore me completely and insulting me personally. The character behaved very irrationally during our converstation. He just seemed nervous. When I told him I would report back my findings, he got angry and said that some 0.0 corp CEOs were going to post on his thread in a few hours backing him up. This has yet to occur so he was clearly lying about that. His whole attitude is not one I would like to see in a Public corp. He fits the profile of a scammer perfectly. He seems to counter this by mentioning he was in the US Military and would never lie etc. I do not buy into this, this is a game and is seperate from real life. Plenty of militarty personell play EVE and kill/scam/pirate people all day. Doesn't make them bad people or anything, just means they are human.
General Feeling 0/25 Character 5/25 Pitch 0/25 Attitude 0/25
Overall score: 5%
Reccomendation: DO NOT INVEST UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
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Elange4
Haven Industries Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:42:00 -
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Thank you Shin Ra, Treelox
I just got to this thread, and seeing two pages spring up over my sleep, I could not help but think of missing Proton Power's issue six + months ago; it happened too quickly for me to get in on, like C-R-A of recent note.
With the assertive and calm points you have made in this thread, I can see that the IPO market has matured beyond who any of us could have seen in a game,
This is more real than I know it in real life, as in real life it is left to brokerage houses to stamp approval, whereas here it is left to anybody who can to do so. That process means the efficiencies of survival of the fittest -- analysis, ideas, plans, character, what have you -- and efficiency drives health in a market...
Is it any coincidence that the EGSE is above 140 recently? hmm, I think not.
Aaro'ne may be interested in your services, Shin Ra & Treelox. I believe there are roles on EGSE that in your histories here you have already filled several times... or perhaps he should creat an "Analyst" role.
Anyway, Nice Effort.
--Elange4
Haven Industries Business Plan HVID Blog: http://haven-industries.blogs |
tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 08:33:00 -
[48]
I have no response website will be up shortly
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 08:41:00 -
[49]
For people that are interested in investing 8230 shares remain and are ready for purchase now.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:17:00 -
[50]
The website url I was given (omicronproductions.net) is currently unregistered.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 09:59:00 -
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Avaliable shares are now down to 7600
@ Shin Ra,
The company I purchase from canaca.com only sets up domains between 9am and 12noon I ordered it yesterday after 12 noon so of course it is avaliable. Please stop posting negative posts for no reason we were already rejected by you people know that. Thanks.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 12/11/2006 10:03:02 Edited by: tirfa on 12/11/2006 10:01:58 Ohh and yes you can walk ur fingers over to canaca.com and confirm that they only setup domains between 9am and 12pm
actually here: canaca
"Secure Order Form
THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING Canaca-com Inc. All Domains are setup daily between 9:00 am and 12:00 PM Eastern standard time.
Other services to consider:
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Basic Voip Phone Service Starting at only $15.95 /month
- Free Long Distance within the Canada and U.S - Caller ID - Voice Mail - 3-way Calling - Follow Me - Call Hunt - Do not Disturb
Please visit www.acanac.com for a full list of features. "
any other negative comments that you want to make without and base at all?
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra When I told him I would report back my findings, he got angry and said that some 0.0 corp CEOs were going to post on his thread in a few hours backing him up. This has yet to occur so he was clearly lying about that.
Shin Ra, this has happened previous to your post. Ill quote it here, from post #39;
Originally by: Fumer I as ceo of Free lapland have agreed to invest and buy 5500 shares of Omicron Production Inc shares, and as i previously stated will invest myself for 200m. this is a great oppertunity and LAPL is very happy to be a part of it. I will recomend to everyone i know to get in early since i expect the demand for the shares to go up very quickly. After personel have been hired i dont see anything that will stop this corp from growing and fylling its promis. Fumer Ceo Free lapland
(sig down do to server)
Of course I have no idea of nor had dealings with the Free Lapland corp, so it doesnt mean much to me, but it is a corp that claims to be in 0.0. Fumer is the listed CEO of that corp.
Of course whats also entertaining to me is that of all the people who have posted that they have bought or reserved shares, none of them is among the usual suspects found in market discussions. Except for Marodi's token buy in.
Originally by: Elange4 Warm and fuzzy's given to Treelox and Shin Ra....
You know Elange4, I have stated in many of the business plan/ipo proposals over the last few months, that I am more than happy to review/proofread any of them. For free!!
Most of us are lousy at checking our own writings, and its always better to have someone check things over, for continiuty, math, spelling, and just good ole horse sense. Those business plans that dont take the time to present a solid well thought out idea, are either scams or lazy peoples pie in the sky ideas.
This one? well honestly I am not sure which it is, but either way its just plain sloppy, and wont get my isk.
A PLEA TO FUTURE IPO's:
Firstly remeber what IPO stands for, Intial PUBLIC offering. This means you have to satisfy the public, you are not some dictator that can get our money and then expect to be allowed to just do with it as you please. Spend a couple of days, weeks, researching your business idea, see if its viable. Then write up a rough plan, ask a friend or 2 to read it, and see if they understand it, if not rewrite it. Make that business plan idiot proof. Most importantly, have a main thats not hidden, hidden mains while sometimes nessacary, really rise the eyebrows of many potential investors. --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: tirfa on 12/11/2006 10:50:14 Thats fine you feel that way I did all that as goes to show that over 65% of shares offered to the public have been sold.
It is a public offering and I thank you for your post leaving out negativity. Unlike Shin Ra's repeated flaming of this thread. The fact is this is a legit buisness investment if people want to invest that is fine thats what a IPO is all about you CAN invest you don't have to invest.
As for the details because of Shin Ra's repeated flaming Omicron Productions Inc is not on EGSE and won't be at the approval of more than 85% of investers Omicron Productions is now being listed as a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY.
Thats right this is no longer a IPO but a Privately Traded Company please stop flaming as this no longer has anything to do with you.
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 10:54:00 -
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To state that in one short line:
Per Invester majority vote, Omicron Productions Inc is now a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY. It is no longer considered a IPO but a Private Investment Oppertunity.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: tirfa To state that in one short line:
Per Invester majority vote, Omicron Productions Inc is now a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY. It is no longer considered a IPO but a Private Investment Oppertunity.
If you think I'm flaming you, you can report my posts to the mods and they can decide what to do about it.
I take it you will be removing all your comments in this thread and your sales thread since this is no longer open to the public.
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 12/11/2006 11:08:59
Originally by: tirfa To state that in one short line:
Per Invester majority vote, Omicron Productions Inc is now a PRIVATELY TRADED COMPANY. It is no longer considered a IPO but a Private Investment Oppertunity.
honestly, i think most business plans that need to raise less than 5bil, should be done as privately held corps.
but id still love to see your website when your done....
also wish the game wasnt down for DT right now, just so I could see how many shares there were to vote.... --
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
If you think I'm flaming you, you can report my posts to the mods and they can decide what to do about it.
Shin Ra, maybe we should flame each other now, since we are just flamers and not concerned memebers of the investment community. Then when the flames get really big, we can report each other, just for laughs of course. Since we are such trolls and all. --
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tirfa
Caldari Omicron Productions Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.12 11:59:00 -
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There are currently 20000 Shares the 20001 that I am going to hold will be created at 1348. Please check again before negatively posting again.
As for removing the post I am not going to do this. By privately traded it is meant that we are not part of EGSE or anyother stock exchange. It does not however mean that we are not selling shares.
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Rentherass
Dusk Till Dawn Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.12 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rabb Darktide
Originally by: Shin Ra
General Feeling 0/25 Character 5/25 Pitch 0/25 Attitude 0/25
Overall score: 5%
Reccomendation: DO NOT INVEST UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
Very well written.. Nice job!
/Signed
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