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Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2015.05.16 16:54:37 -
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This is something I run into all the time,and I'm really hoping to insight to. I talk to newer players sometimes when trying to recruit and everything will go great till I ask for the api. Now I know some of them are awoxers looking for an easy target, but if a spy has skill then keeping a clean api is certainly doable. So then why are so many newbs terrified to give their api's? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8561
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Posted - 2015.05.16 16:57:08 -
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Kirk Ernaga wrote: but if a spy has skill then keeping a clean api is certainly doable.
Then you have no reason to ask for one, right?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Melissa Redoran
Economic Services
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:00:09 -
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because for the same reasons a corp is asking for one
protection
"please lower your weapons - tell us all you are doing - show us all you have - make yourself attackable in any possible way... and live on our mercy" [Type Corp / Alliancename here] |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12996
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:07:18 -
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No idea, it's not like the NSA isn't already watching.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3019
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:21:54 -
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Kirk Ernaga wrote:This is something I run into all the time,and I'm really hoping to insight to. I talk to newer players sometimes when trying to recruit and everything will go great till I ask for the api. Now I know some of them are awoxers looking for an easy target, but if a spy has skill then keeping a clean api is certainly doable. So then why are so many newbs terrified to give their api's? Because it's bullshit to ask for a full api key. You have no right to know my contacts or read my mails.
It does not prevent anything except the most stupidest awoxxers. A spy would never be caught by a full api key, because then he's just fail.
It's comparable to the lock on a door. An illusion of security. It only discourages those who don''t have bad intentions anyway !
Abolish Rookiecorps
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2015.05.16 17:29:57 -
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Common sense? Player emancipation?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Sibyyl
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
24968
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Posted - 2015.05.16 18:04:57 -
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Because I don't trust you to read my mail.
I have no issues against anything else in API.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4587
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Posted - 2015.05.16 18:13:52 -
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This thread has been moved to EVE New Citizens Q&A.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Jack Morrison
Manson Family Advent of Fate
224
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Posted - 2015.05.16 18:28:15 -
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When i recruited i never asked guys (or the ladies) fo the mails in the full api, as even the laziest spy can delete all mail history in seconds. Use a link to ask for apis - it doesn't get more convenient:
https://support.eveonline.com/api/Key/CreatePredefined/268431871
If they can't be bothered to do that, well - then you can't be bothered with the invite to corp button :)
Looking for a group to pew with ? Have a chat with me.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
454
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Posted - 2015.05.16 18:32:10 -
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How many people when looking for a job would give over their PW's to social media, banks, etc so someone else can take a look? That's how many people feel about API's.. |
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Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:15:56 -
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In my formative years, George's Orwell's 1984 was a big thing. And then I read Roger Zelazny's 'My Name is Legion'. And you know what? Our present world is starting to resemble that more and more. Every movement tracked, every browse and phone call registered, the latest generation TV's gathering your viewing behavior and sending it on to the manufacturers and who knows who else....
And I'm not having it. I'll do whatever I can to block that madness. My data are my own . Unless you're MY government, have a warrant and duly appointed officers of the court and the law serving it, you're not getting them. ESPECIALLY not in what should be a game.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1094
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:18:05 -
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Ignoring most of the answers above as they are answering "why are experienced players not willing to give their api" (discounting those who have personal reasons for resisting the intrusion an api check causes, whether justified or not, thats each persons own decision to make, but they are personal, and not likely to be the common reason)
In most cases, ignorance. At first glance for a new player, they will assume the api is the equivilent of handing you their login details, and will react as if that is what you asked. You have to remember that few (in fact, probably no) other games has a function like this, so they'll assume the worst.This can mostly be averted by leading them in to the request slowly, and making sure they get to read CCP's very clear "what is an api" page (EDIT - "was" very clear, I can't find it to link it now, so welp). Sure, some will still be averse to the request even then, but that can't be helped (and odds are, they are the guys with the least secure facebook pages you'll find). But by explaining what an api is, you'll likely avert the initial gut reaction to flee screaming because they think you are trying to hack them. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1121
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:19:53 -
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Main reason I haven't joined a corp is I don't really want to hand over API keys, sign up for forums, or anything like that. I don't have a rational reason, I just CBA. Most of my info is public anyways. Although I did give up on posting kill mails a while back, mostly due to the lack of them, and not really caring about KBs anymore.
If you are recruiting newbros I'd say just take whatever you get and encourage them to shoot each other. Learning with friends is a ton of fun! And also that way no one can ever say they didn't know when someone shoots them. By the time they want a more advanced role they should be happy to give over an API key.
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Xen Solarus
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
874
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:20:04 -
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Because it's all we have.
Post with your main, like a BOSS!
And no, i don't live in highsec. -áAs if that would make your opinion any less wrong. -á
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1697
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:24:22 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:It does not prevent anything except the most stupidest awoxxers. A spy would never be caught by a full api key, because then he's just fail. I ******* hate this fallacy. Yes, good spies will not be caught by api checks. But how many spies do you think are actually good? Just the act of asking for an api keeps some out. Actually checking it will catch some more. Do you really want those people in your corp? Yes, you still have to contend with competent spies, and other security measures can do that, but weeding out the bad ones is immensely helpful.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1094
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:26:36 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:How many people when looking for a job would give over their PW's to social media, banks, etc so someone else can take a look?.
But its not the password you are giving, because that implies they would be able to send messages as you and empty your accounts, which the api does not allow. It is merely the ability to look, and I hate to state the obvious, but most HR departments will look at your social media (people have been fired over ill-adviced Tweets and unfortunate pictures on Facebook), and I wonder how you intend to get paid if you don't give your employer your bank details (and that aside, ever had a credit check? Yep, thats an API look at your wallet and assets tab if ever there was one) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:36:29 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:How many people when looking for a job would give over their PW's to social media, banks, etc so someone else can take a look?. But its not the password you are giving, because that implies they would be able to send messages as you and empty your accounts, which the api does not allow. It is merely the ability to look, and I hate to state the obvious, but most HR departments will look at your social media (people have been fired over ill-adviced Tweets and unfortunate pictures on Facebook), and I wonder how you intend to get paid if you don't give your employer your bank details (and that aside, ever had a credit check? Yep, thats an API look at your wallet and assets tab if ever there was one) Don't compare real life to a game.
One has rule of law which can get you put in prison for sharing private information with unauthorized parties. The other is a game with no real consequence for being a complete douche and posting someone's in-game personal mails and info on any board they feel like.
I'd be very careful with what I allow corps to view. Most demand a full API for no other reason than they can. A limited API is all that's needed.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4876
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Posted - 2015.05.16 20:19:08 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Because it's bullshit to ask for a full api key. Really all a recruiter needs to know is what EVEboard shows, which isn't a full API.
The only reason I know of for a full API after joining, is so your accounts, contacts, and EVE-mail can be monitored.
Example: Once had a friend in NC. gift a few billion ISK to a friend in Goonswarm. Receiver was interrogated, and ended-up returning the ISK so that he wouldn't get kicked. |
Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
2
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Posted - 2015.05.16 20:20:42 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Because I don't trust you to read my mail.
I have no issues against anything else in API.
If your so worried about personal privacy, then why have personal conversations via eve mail where it is all visible under a api instead through pidgin or private conversation? |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
550
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Posted - 2015.05.16 20:55:57 -
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The simple fact of the matter is that just asking for an API key keep the majority of problem causers from even applying to your corp. Actually doing a decent API check will keep out the overwhelming majority of people that intend to cause drama. Sure nothing is 100% but API checks are extremely effective.
Yes you will miss out on some potential good recruits but back when we used to do open recruitments we would get war deced every single time that we did some recruiting, even if we only gain 2 or 3 new members. Ever since we started doing API checks that just does not happen anymore.
Worth noting is that some corps are in alliances and some alliances are in coalitions that require API checks of new recruits to minimize awoxer caused political headaches.
I agree that is a pretty poor game mechanic that pretty much requires this level of security and background checks in a game but CCP did advertise the living hell out of awoxer / corp theft / general asshattery as play style for a lot of years. It is a gameplay style that has been carefully cultivated.
It is true that corps don't have to do API checks and that players don't need to give them out. However I don't think anyone can deny that they are extremely effective and pretty much needed in this game. I am willing to bet that the only people that understand the game and would say otherwise are the loner pirate types that the API checks are looking to avoid. |
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:07:40 -
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A corp not willing to trust it's members or not being able to take cautions in-game is not worth joining.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
2
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:26:12 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:The simple fact of the matter is that just asking for an API key keep the majority of problem causers from even applying to your corp. Actually doing a decent API check will keep out the overwhelming majority of people that intend to cause drama. Sure nothing is 100% but API checks are extremely effective.
Yes you will miss out on some potential good recruits but back when we used to do open recruitments we would get war deced every single time that we did some recruiting, even if we only gain 2 or 3 new members. Ever since we started doing API checks that just does not happen anymore.
Worth noting is that some corps are in alliances and some alliances are in coalitions that require API checks of new recruits to minimize awoxer caused political headaches.
I agree that is a pretty poor game mechanic that pretty much requires this level of security and background checks in a game but CCP did advertise the living hell out of awoxer / corp theft / general asshattery as play style for a lot of years. It is a gameplay style that has been carefully cultivated.
It is true that corps don't have to do API checks and that players don't need to give them out. However I don't think anyone can deny that they are extremely effective and pretty much needed in this game. I am willing to bet that the only people that understand the game and would say otherwise are the loner pirate types that the API checks are looking to avoid. This kind of reflects my personal view. Just because some terrorist get a bomb on a plane doesnt mean you get rid of airport security. |
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
61
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:30:59 -
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I guess the noobs are waking up?
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1095
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:51:19 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:How many people when looking for a job would give over their PW's to social media, banks, etc so someone else can take a look?. But its not the password you are giving, because that implies they would be able to send messages as you and empty your accounts, which the api does not allow. It is merely the ability to look, and I hate to state the obvious, but most HR departments will look at your social media (people have been fired over ill-adviced Tweets and unfortunate pictures on Facebook), and I wonder how you intend to get paid if you don't give your employer your bank details (and that aside, ever had a credit check? Yep, thats an API look at your wallet and assets tab if ever there was one) Don't compare real life to a game. Why did you make that reply to me? I was merely responding to Snipers flawed analogy, surely it is her you should have taken issue with for making the comparison. Unless you chose to take the shot at me since my view ran contrary to your own while Snipers supported it?
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1649
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:56:29 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:How many people when looking for a job would give over their PW's to social media, banks, etc so someone else can take a look?. But its not the password you are giving, because that implies they would be able to send messages as you and empty your accounts, which the api does not allow. It is merely the ability to look, and I hate to state the obvious, but most HR departments will look at your social media (people have been fired over ill-adviced Tweets and unfortunate pictures on Facebook), and I wonder how you intend to get paid if you don't give your employer your bank details (and that aside, ever had a credit check? Yep, thats an API look at your wallet and assets tab if ever there was one) My employer has info about exactly 1(!!!) of my bank account. Just to pay me. And all other info is not their business.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
2
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Posted - 2015.05.16 22:07:04 -
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March rabbit wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:How many people when looking for a job would give over their PW's to social media, banks, etc so someone else can take a look?. But its not the password you are giving, because that implies they would be able to send messages as you and empty your accounts, which the api does not allow. It is merely the ability to look, and I hate to state the obvious, but most HR departments will look at your social media (people have been fired over ill-adviced Tweets and unfortunate pictures on Facebook), and I wonder how you intend to get paid if you don't give your employer your bank details (and that aside, ever had a credit check? Yep, thats an API look at your wallet and assets tab if ever there was one) My employer has info about exactly 1(!!!) of my bank account. Just to pay me. And all other info is not their business. Never done a criminal background check or a credit check for a job? |
Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
2
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Posted - 2015.05.16 22:08:38 -
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Jack Morrison wrote:When i recruited i never asked guys (or the ladies) fo the mails in the full api, as even the laziest spy can delete all mail history in seconds. Use a link to ask for apis - it doesn't get more convenient: https://support.eveonline.com/api/Key/CreatePredefined/268431871If they can't be bothered to do that, well - then you can't be bothered with the invite to corp button :) Thanks for the link jack. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
550
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Posted - 2015.05.16 22:12:47 -
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March rabbit wrote: My employer has info about exactly 1(!!!) of my bank account. Just to pay me. And all other info is not their business.
I think what you meant to say is that you only gave your employer info on one of your bank accounts. Many employers do credit checks on perspective employees and some do background checks. I know with in my job some of my customers have run department of homeland security and FBI background checks on me just to let me onto their jobsites. I also once had to do all the above plus an 800 question personality assessment profile "test". Not to mention the bodily fluids that I've had to give up for testing. And I"m just a trade'sman. I don't even have any type of high security job or anything.
Morgan Spurlock has a new show I think it's called "Inside Man" or something like that. He did an episode where he hired a detective to see how much information the detective could get on him from the companies that log that stuff. It blew my mind at how much stuff the guy came back with.
I would say that the average person does not have a clue how much that their employer knows about them. And if you work for the CIA or NSA or are some other type of military based government employee then you have had to basically give them permission to go fish around inside your head for stuff to get the job. I'm not saying that makes it ok or that we should all accept it. I'm very much against this type of invasion of privacy. However I just wanted to point out that I doubt most of use know what our employers know about us. |
Avaelica Kuershin
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Posted - 2015.05.16 22:16:34 -
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Who do you trust more, someone who asks for a full api or someone who asks for a limited (though extensive) api. Sometimes it's a matter of trusting the recruiter knows what they are doing with the information. |
Kirk Ernaga
Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate
2
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Posted - 2015.05.16 22:19:55 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Who do you trust more, someone who asks for a full api or someone who asks for a limited (though extensive) api. Sometimes it's a matter of trusting the recruiter knows what they are doing with the information. Someone that asks for the full api. That way I can be assured that the corp is doing thorough checks and I wont have ti deal with as many griefers or just plain drama. As a recruiter though I also check the forums and evewho as well. |
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