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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.16 18:05:55 -
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Hey there,
Is it too soon to get into PI? I've got 3 worlds running, mostly just to see how the mechanics of it work. Friend I've made suggested producing Coolant which looks easy enough.
Is it worth investing the time into the skills? Train them to at least IV, or is V worth it?
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1699
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Posted - 2015.05.16 19:27:36 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Hey there,
Is it too soon to get into PI? I've got 3 worlds running, mostly just to see how the mechanics of it work. Friend I've made suggested producing Coolant which looks easy enough.
Is it worth investing the time into the skills? Train them to at least IV, or is V worth it? Depends on what your goals are as with anything in eve. Do you enjoy PI? What would you be training instead of those skills? Is it a good way to finance other endeavors that you enjoy? Keep in mind, training level 4's takes significantly less time that level 5, so that might be a good midpoint for awhile.
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.16 20:01:22 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Hey there,
Is it too soon to get into PI? I've got 3 worlds running, mostly just to see how the mechanics of it work. Friend I've made suggested producing Coolant which looks easy enough.
Is it worth investing the time into the skills? Train them to at least IV, or is V worth it? Depends on what your goals are as with anything in eve. Do you enjoy PI? What would you be training instead of those skills? Is it a good way to finance other endeavors that you enjoy? Keep in mind, training level 4's takes significantly less time than level 5, so that might be a good midpoint for awhile.
I got a skillplan that sort of covers everything, very broad, in the 6 days or so to get Command Center Upgrades and Interplanetary Consolidation to IV each, I could have gotten 48 other skills up to III. So many skills to train and I'm pretty sure it's exploration I want to get into but I can't help but not take advantage of the passive isk.
I read a guide that it's possible that each Coolant planet can potentially make 100m isk a month per planet.. wondering if that's possible in lowsec?
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1700
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Posted - 2015.05.16 20:19:23 -
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I'm not very knowledgable about PI honestly, but if you have that many skills that you can train to level 3, I would be focusing on those. Look at training the PI stuff in another couple weeks to a month.
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Ertur Adestur
Hek Xplo Ltd
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Posted - 2015.05.16 21:37:17 -
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Yeah, get familiar with the mechanics with your current skills for now, and focus training on ship skills, etc. If you want to seriously pursue PI, consider an alt. But all in good time. No need to rush. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2015.05.17 13:59:45 -
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PI can be good passive income without much skill investment. I had my 3 toons doing PI in a ..very good WH and could make about 1B in robotics a month, with a time investment of about 30min every 2 days and an extra 1-3 hours of hauling a week.
But this was my corps WH with 2% tax on the POCOs. Highsec planets are pretty poor since they are very over used, and if its not your POCO then taxes eat into profits pretty fast. Especially if you make something like robotics.
Of course you can set them up to only need attention every week or so, and well even if its only 50M isk a month.. it may be worth it for the the time in your case.
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Kaydance
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.05.21 10:36:13 -
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It is good passive income and is pretty hands off. I don't think I would train PI skills instead of core skills or basic combat skills unless I really enjoyed PI. Which I do...so I did, but that might not be true for you. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
5112
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Posted - 2015.05.21 10:42:09 -
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I paid someone to write a guide to PI a little while back, let me find the link. (I paid them to focus on building one item, Robotics, because my alliance had and still has an interest in that item falling in price, however, the guide does generalise).
If you find it useful, post in the thread so it's easier for others to find.
Sun-Tzu's guide to PI for the beginner or near-beginner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=415269
Edit: The skill investment to be OK at PI is pretty low.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1453
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Posted - 2015.05.21 11:51:08 -
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I did PI whilst based in a wormhole. for me 4's were enough to get things done.
If your doing PI to generate goods to sell for ISK, then you'll need to do some number crunching and market research.
http://eveplanets.com/
Some useful info on that site. |
Babel Donier
Reynire Industrial Expeditions
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Posted - 2015.05.24 05:51:06 -
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PI is a good thing to have going if you are a casual player and some weeks you can only log in for a short time per day. I made a guide for some of our corpmates that goes into some detail on setting up low skill PI for a bit of ISK on the side, feel free to message me in game if you have any questions.
https://thearmchairemporer.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/planetary-interaction-passive-isk-while-you-do-other-more-important-things/
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Cherri Minoa
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2015.05.24 08:58:11 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote: I read a guide that it's possible that each Coolant planet can potentially make 100m isk a month per planet.. wondering if that's possible in lowsec?
100m /planet /month lo-sec would be very optimistic. I used to make about 750m /month on 9 planets in null sec.
The issue to bear in mind is that to get maximum productivity you need to service your installations as frequently as possible. One of the other posters here said 1/2 hour per 2 days, which is probably fair in ideal situations. However, I found with hauling, marketing and the downtime for hostiles in system, I was putting in 1/2 to 2 hours most days. I did it for 6 months before I finally got fed up with it.
TL;DR If you really enjoy PI it is a good steady income stream. If you don't enjoy it, stay clear of it.
"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
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Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.24 15:54:41 -
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nice guide
Thanks for the advice everyone! Going to only train the minimum to get me started at least. I found a pretty idea lowsec spot for PI
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.24 16:47:31 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote: I read a guide that it's possible that each Coolant planet can potentially make 100m isk a month per planet.. wondering if that's possible in lowsec?
I can make 100 million isk per hour on bounties alone doing null sec anoms and that is a pretty solid number meaning T2 fit T1 ship in crappy null sec. I'm sure null sec / wormhole exploration can do as good or better. We could go on and on about how much isk we can make where doing what but at the end of the day what it comes down to is what do you like doing.
PI is not totally passive you have to maintain it from what I understand. So like everything in Eve if you enjoy doing it then it's worth it if you don't then it's not. Asking how can I make isk in this game is kind of a bad question. It's a game you are supposed to have fun and you can make isk doing anything. So try different stuff, figure out what you like and then come back here and tell us you are really enjoying doing XY and Z and want to know what's the best way to make isk doing XY and Z.
Also just as a general rule I'd avoid specializing in anything early on. I would not train more than level 3 on anything until you have tried it out and know you like it or need it as a prereueq for something else. |
Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.24 23:00:34 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote: I read a guide that it's possible that each Coolant planet can potentially make 100m isk a month per planet.. wondering if that's possible in lowsec?
I can make 100 million isk per hour on bounties alone doing null sec anoms and that is a pretty solid number meaning T2 fit T1 ship in crappy null sec. I'm sure null sec / wormhole exploration can do as good or better. We could go on and on about how much isk we can make where doing what but at the end of the day what it comes down to is what do you like doing. PI is not totally passive you have to maintain it from what I understand. So like everything in Eve if you enjoy doing it then it's worth it if you don't then it's not. Asking how can I make isk in this game is kind of a bad question. It's a game you are supposed to have fun and you can make isk doing anything. So try different stuff, figure out what you like and then come back here and tell us you are really enjoying doing XY and Z and want to know what's the best way to make isk doing XY and Z. Also just as a general rule I'd avoid specializing in anything early on. I would not train more than level 3 on anything until you have tried it out and know you like it or need it as a prereueq for something else.
I guess I am or was sort of under the impression that everyone did PI? If it was about fun I enjoy escalations the most. Finding DED sites, that sort of thing. You get to see a lot of New Eden
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.05.25 02:10:46 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Is it too soon to get into PI? I've got 3 worlds running, mostly just to see how the mechanics of it work. Friend I've made suggested producing Coolant which looks easy enough. In hisec, Coolant is quite possibly the worst thing to make, because of the abysmally low extraction of Ionic Solutions.
Simpler stuff to consider for hisec: Oxygen and Water. Both sell reasonably well, and as they are P1, they require minimal processing. |
Lulu Lunette
Lunette Pathfinders
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Posted - 2015.05.25 03:40:15 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Is it too soon to get into PI? I've got 3 worlds running, mostly just to see how the mechanics of it work. Friend I've made suggested producing Coolant which looks easy enough. In hisec, Coolant is quite possibly the worst thing to make, because of the abysmally low extraction of Ionic Solutions. Simpler stuff to consider for hisec: Oxygen and Water. Both sell reasonably well, and as they are P1, they require minimal processing.
I'll look into that!
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erg cz
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2015.05.25 11:51:50 -
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I do PI during flight to the mission pocket. Realy no extra time except for hauling (once per 1 or 2 weeks). But you should count with only about 5+-1 mio per day from 5 planets. Even in low sec. At the beginning it is better, but later on spots will move out and you will have to move your command center. Which costs few milions just for upgrades. After few relocations you will have enough of it and just move your extractors. So final net yield will be about those 4-6 milions as I said. Of cause if you choose planets with reasonable POCO. Up to 10 %.
Most ppl stick with prodution of P2 material. Two extractors, 4 P1 refineries and 2 P2 factories will let you command center on L4 skill manage 9-10 heads, launch pad and a silo. So you can also concider to arrange pure manufactoring planets, where you will produce P3 commodities out of few P2. That will require travel more often to your planets which is boring as any distribution job... |
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