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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:57:00 -
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At the moment, any ship with a drone bay smaller than 125m3 can't have it's sized increased to carry more spares due to it also allowing it to launch more/bigger drones and increase the DPS it can dish out. What we need is a solution that allows ships to have large drone bays to keep spares, but also allows it to keep the DPS potential from drones under control.
I present to you: Drone Control Points
What?
Basically, each drone is awarded one control point for every 5m3 it takes up. That means light drones use 1 point, medium drones use 2 points and large drones use 5 points. We then work out the maximum amount of drone control points a ship has by giving it one point for every 5m3 in its drone bay. For example, the Rupture has a 30m3 drone bay, so it has 6 drone control points. Any ship with a drone bay larger than 125m3 (5 heavy drones) has it's drone control points capped at 25. We can then triple or quadruple every ship's drone bay without increasing the DPS.
How?
Whenever you tell the ship to launch a drone, it checks to see if it has the drone control points free to do so. Using the Rupture, it will have 6 drone control points but with a tripled drone bay it can hold 9 medium drones (and launch 5). Obviously we don't want it launching 5 medium drones as the ship was balanced with only 3. So, every time a drone is launched we subtract it's points value away from the ship's value. If the ship's value ends up being a negative number then the drone is unable to launch. Example:
1. Free Points: 6
2. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
3. Free Points: 4
4. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
5. Free Points: 2
6. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
7. Free Points: 0
8. Attempt to launch Hammerhead II and fail, as Free Points is 0.
Obviously the checks are still made to make sure it's not launching more than 5 drones (or however many the pilot's SP will allow).
Why?
It allows ships to carry spare drones around without giving them extra DPS. On most ships when you warp out without collecting your drones (say fleeing from a PVP situation that went a bit wrong) you will be unable to use any drones until you find a station that is selling them and buy some more. Also, you can't transfer drones from your cargohold to the drone bay unless at a POS or Carrier (and most ships have their cargohold packed with ammo and capchargers).
This method solves the problem of carrying spare drones in a simple and elegant mannar.
When?
That, is down to our dear Devs (last sighted "singing" at the Fanfest  ). I realise that posting this when they are all currently ****ed out of their heads probably isn't the best idea in the world, but hopefully some will be sober by Monday to read it.
Who?
Who can you give your ISK to for suggesting this wonderful idea? Just sent it to this character and I'll make sure it's passed on to the right person 
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.11 23:57:00 -
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At the moment, any ship with a drone bay smaller than 125m3 can't have it's sized increased to carry more spares due to it also allowing it to launch more/bigger drones and increase the DPS it can dish out. What we need is a solution that allows ships to have large drone bays to keep spares, but also allows it to keep the DPS potential from drones under control.
I present to you: Drone Control Points
What?
Basically, each drone is awarded one control point for every 5m3 it takes up. That means light drones use 1 point, medium drones use 2 points and large drones use 5 points. We then work out the maximum amount of drone control points a ship has by giving it one point for every 5m3 in its drone bay. For example, the Rupture has a 30m3 drone bay, so it has 6 drone control points. Any ship with a drone bay larger than 125m3 (5 heavy drones) has it's drone control points capped at 25. We can then triple or quadruple every ship's drone bay without increasing the DPS.
How?
Whenever you tell the ship to launch a drone, it checks to see if it has the drone control points free to do so. Using the Rupture, it will have 6 drone control points but with a tripled drone bay it can hold 9 medium drones (and launch 5). Obviously we don't want it launching 5 medium drones as the ship was balanced with only 3. So, every time a drone is launched we subtract it's points value away from the ship's value. If the ship's value ends up being a negative number then the drone is unable to launch. Example:
1. Free Points: 6
2. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
3. Free Points: 4
4. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
5. Free Points: 2
6. Launch Hammerhead II (2 points)
7. Free Points: 0
8. Attempt to launch Hammerhead II and fail, as Free Points is 0.
Obviously the checks are still made to make sure it's not launching more than 5 drones (or however many the pilot's SP will allow).
Why?
It allows ships to carry spare drones around without giving them extra DPS. On most ships when you warp out without collecting your drones (say fleeing from a PVP situation that went a bit wrong) you will be unable to use any drones until you find a station that is selling them and buy some more. Also, you can't transfer drones from your cargohold to the drone bay unless at a POS or Carrier (and most ships have their cargohold packed with ammo and capchargers).
This method solves the problem of carrying spare drones in a simple and elegant mannar.
When?
That, is down to our dear Devs (last sighted "singing" at the Fanfest ). I realise that posting this when they are all currently ****ed out of their heads probably isn't the best idea in the world, but hopefully some will be sober by Monday to read it.
Who?
Who can you give your ISK to for suggesting this wonderful idea? Just sent it to this character and I'll make sure it's passed on to the right person
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Bazman
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:01:00 -
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I love it. Thats all you need to know.
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Bazman
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:01:00 -
[4]
I love it. Thats all you need to know.
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Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Boryokudan Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:02:00 -
[5]
/signed
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Boryokudan Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:02:00 -
[6]
/signed
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! |
XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
[7]
i dont really understand but /signed
 Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
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some way to replenish drones in space would be really nice.
as it is its difficult if one is in a ship that uses drones for fighting and is far from home base or any station.
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
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i dont really understand but /signed
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:04:00 -
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some way to replenish drones in space would be really nice.
as it is its difficult if one is in a ship that uses drones for fighting and is far from home base or any station.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: XGS Crimson
i dont really understand but /signed
It lets you carry around spare drones by giving all ships much bigger drone bays, but prevents them from getting more DPS from drones than they do now.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:05:00 -
[12]
Originally by: XGS Crimson
i dont really understand but /signed
It lets you carry around spare drones by giving all ships much bigger drone bays, but prevents them from getting more DPS from drones than they do now.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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This is, ofcourse, a brilliant idea.
It'll never make it ingame.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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oooo love it then /signed /signed
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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This is, ofcourse, a brilliant idea.
It'll never make it ingame.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:07:00 -
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oooo love it then /signed /signed
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:10:00 -
[17]
Dear god /signed 
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:10:00 -
[18]
Dear god /signed
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Marine Raider
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:13:00 -
[19]
/Signed
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Raiders Company - WE SET THE PACE
USMC
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Marine Raider
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:13:00 -
[20]
/Signed
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Raiders Company - WE SET THE PACE
USMC
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
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I agree completely.
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
Currently, smaller drone ships put out a simply obscene damage. Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
This idea gets my approval.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
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The idea generally is good. But I see one problem there:
Utility drones.
The oversized dronebay of some drone specced ships (basically ishkur, eos dominix) does not only allow them to carry spares - it also allows them to carry more job specific drones. More flexibility basically.
Take a mega or geddon. They can carry with them 5 ogres. But if they do this they won't be able to carry 5 lights in case they run into frigs. Or ECM drones. Or web drones. Or tracking disuptor drones. Or damper drones. Or energy neut drones. Depending on the situation the type of drones you carry can easily decide between win & loss.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
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I agree completely.
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
Currently, smaller drone ships put out a simply obscene damage. Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
This idea gets my approval.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:14:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Aramendel on 12/11/2006 00:22:22
The idea generally is good. But I see one problem there:
Utility drones.
The oversized dronebay of some drone specced ships (basically ishtar, eos dominix) does not only allow them to carry spares - it also allows them to carry more job specific drones. More flexibility basically.
Take a mega or geddon. They can carry with them 5 ogres. But if they do this they won't be able to carry 5 lights in case they run into frigs. Or ECM drones. Or web drones. Or tracking disuptor drones. Or damper drones. Or energy neut drones. Depending on the situation the type of drones you carry can easily decide between win & loss.
The drone damage bonus is only part of the bonus of the droneships, the increased flexibility of being able to carry different types of drone is another.
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
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I agree to be honest earlier I was flying around in my Curse thinking it would be nice to get more spare drones without increasing DPS to overpower the ship.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
They don't.
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
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I agree to be honest earlier I was flying around in my Curse thinking it would be nice to get more spare drones without increasing DPS to overpower the ship.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:18:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
They don't.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:19:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
While the Ishtars dps is quite high (cerberus does equal dps with the new heavy assaults, though) if it could only use meds there would be no real reason to use it over an Vexor.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:19:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
While the Ishtars dps is quite high (cerberus does equal dps with the new heavy assaults, though) if it could only use meds there would be no real reason to use it over an Vexor.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tsar Maul on 12/11/2006 00:28:51
Discuss Ishtar vs Dominix in another thread
As for utility drones, personally I think it would be good to have the choice of carrying both combat and utility drones to let you switch depending on the circumstances. It would allow ships to be more flexable and unpredictable without completely breaking game balance.
Originally by: Tasty Burger
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
My suggestion doesn't change drone DPS at all.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
This is, ofcourse, a brilliant idea.
It'll never make it ingame.
Sad, but true.
Signed anyway, for what its worth.
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hattifnatt
Gallente
The Movement
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:29:00 -
[33]
Edited by: hattifnatt on 12/11/2006 00:32:19
Missread OP
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: hattifnatt
Its a decent idea but it has flaws. For example if a domi has 25points and in your example a medium drone takes 2p so it can launch 12medium drones.
12 hammerhead IIs + drone dmg bonus and good skills = 559,86DPS
However changing the it to 3points per medium drones. You can now launch 8 medium drones and get 373DPS* and that is still way to high compared to heavy drones.
Another problem with this is that ships with large dronebays would be able to launch hordes of light drones, and that would create lag. (which was why the drones in space was limited to 5.)
*with good skills
READ THE POST. 
The drone launch number would stay the same.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
United Univers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
I agree completely.
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
Currently, smaller drone ships put out a simply obscene damage. Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
This idea gets my approval.
That of course is your own opinion, but I don't agree with your reasoning. Next you'll be suggesting that the Deimos shouldn't have 2 damage bonuses which effectively mean it's a BS killer (which is what it is meant for) or that any of the other HAS ships shouldn't have their second bonus that they have.
Just remeber that an Ishtar or an Ishkur are still only cruisers and frigs albeit with higher resistances, but they will pop just like any other ship if you know what to do, and if you don't know what to do, you'll complain and say they're too powerful....
Learn how my friend, but if you cannot, then just buy one.
Justice  (currently flying in my Ishtar with 27 drones in the bay)
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JustBlaze
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:33:00 -
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**** straight /signed
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:34:00 -
[37]
Edited by: keepiru on 12/11/2006 00:34:05
i like cake.
this idea = cake.
therefore, i like it.
make it happen.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:35:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tsar Maul
Originally by: Tasty Burger
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
My suggestion doesn't change drone DPS at all.
Well, I personally think that this change SHOULD help stop the unfairness of 4 mediums on an ishkur, for example. I don't think cruisers should have enough to fit 5 heavy drones. Perhaps the ishtar could get enough for 3 heavies and 2 mediums, though.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:35:00 -
[39]
Originally by: keepiru
Edited by: keepiru on 12/11/2006 00:34:05
i like cake.
this idea = cake.
therefore, i like it.
make it happen.
That's not what you originally had
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:38:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Originally by: Tsar Maul
Originally by: Tasty Burger
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
My suggestion doesn't change drone DPS at all.
Well, I personally think that this change SHOULD help stop the unfairness of 4 mediums on an ishkur, for example. I don't think cruisers should have enough to fit 5 heavy drones. Perhaps the ishtar could get enough for 3 heavies and 2 mediums, though.
Ah I see what you mean now :). I agree - it could be used to balance certain ships (although I don't see anything wrong with the Ishtar as it has F/A turret DPS, but the Ishkur could do with nerf batting).
Anyway, like I said, that is something to be brought up if the changes get in. Ideally, this thread should be about comments/critiques of the system itself.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tasty Burger
I don't think cruisers should have enough to fit 5 heavy drones. Perhaps the ishtar could get enough for 3 heavies and 2 mediums, though.
Why not? Its the only way a HAC/BC can do as much damage as its peers while remaining a true droneship.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Justice Bringer
Originally by: Tasty Burger
I agree completely.
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
Currently, smaller drone ships put out a simply obscene damage. Ishtars should not be doing the same damage as a dominix.
This idea gets my approval.
That of course is your own opinion, but I don't agree with your reasoning. Next you'll be suggesting that the Deimos shouldn't have 2 damage bonuses which effectively mean it's a BS killer (which is what it is meant for) or that any of the other HAS ships shouldn't have their second bonus that they have.
Not really, because the ishtar does deimos-like damage without using any cap or fitting and with higher range. Thats what I have an issue with. Its simply better than a deimos.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
United Univers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:40:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Tasty Burger
Originally by: Tsar Maul
Originally by: Tasty Burger
It lets drone boats have spares, while also stopping the ridiculous damage that ishkurs/ishtars put out. Frigates should only be able to use smalls, cruisers mediums, in my opinion.
My suggestion doesn't change drone DPS at all.
Well, I personally think that this change SHOULD help stop the unfairness of 4 mediums on an ishkur, for example. I don't think cruisers should have enough to fit 5 heavy drones. Perhaps the ishtar could get enough for 3 heavies and 2 mediums, though.
I'm sure you'll find that an Ishkur doesn't put out as much damage as an Enyo, even if it does field 4 med drones.
And in any respect, most decent drone pilots will not fill their drone bay with drones that will not leave room for any spare, precisely what the op is trying to suggest ships should have.
If you find yourself up against an Ishkur with 4 med drones kill them nad his dps is greatly diminished.
Justice
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:41:00 -
[44]
Anyway, once this is implemented, its easy enough to give the Ish/Myrm enough CP for 4 heavyes with a 300m3 drone bay, problem solved tbh.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:42:00 -
[45]
Originally by: keepiru
Anyway, once this is implemented, its easy enough to give the Ish/Myrm enough CP for 4 heavyes with a 300m3 drone bay, problem solved tbh.
To be honest, it is that ship that got me thinking about this idea - how can you limit the DPS but still give it room for spares. It seemed logical to extend the idea to all ships.
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Ergo Morte
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:49:00 -
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Wow, just wow. What a startlingly poor grasp of why you have drone ships. The entire point of a drone ship is sustainable DPS with drones or a large degree of versatility with different drone types. You just want to hand out to everyone the unique trait of Gallente.
Why not just have open high slots and univeral damage bonuses so everyone can fit any weapon type they want and why are Mimater ships so much faster than everyone they should have speed points to let me have a Vaga without bothering to train any skills. If you want sustainable drone ships train Gallente just like if you want the options of any other race.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:59:00 -
[47]
Perhaps you should amend that this gives the possibility of giving ships replacement drones without increasing their dps, but does not necessarily mean all ships will have replacements.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 00:59:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Tsar Maul on 12/11/2006 00:59:54
Originally by: Ergo Morte
Wow, just wow. What a startlingly poor grasp of why you have drone ships. The entire point of a drone ship is sustainable DPS with drones or a large degree of versatility with different drone types. You just want to hand out to everyone the unique trait of Gallente.
Why not just have open high slots and univeral damage bonuses so everyone can fit any weapon type they want and why are Mimater ships so much faster than everyone they should have speed points to let me have a Vaga without bothering to train any skills. If you want sustainable drone ships train Gallente just like if you want the options of any other race.
Funny, I thought the entire point of drone ships was to dish out loads of consistant damage while freeing up their highs for nos and their mids for ewar, while also having their damage output unaffected by the likes of tracking disruptors, sensor damps and ECM applied tot he ship. The fact that you can carry 3 waves of heavy drones is an added bonus for when someone brings a blob along and you have to run away very quickly.
I ask you this. Would you rather have a Dominix with 15 heavies, or a Dominix with 45-60 heavies and/or assorted ECM, sentry, small, medium and light drones?
Exactly.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:09:00 -
[49]
Originally by: keepiru
Anyway, once this is implemented, its easy enough to give the Ish/Myrm enough CP for 4 heavyes with a 300m3 drone bay, problem solved tbh.
For that specific ships ir would IMO be better just to limit them to 4 drones. There already exists an rare vexor faction model which has as bonus +1 drone per lvl (was made before the drone changes, now the only ship which can use more then 5 drones at the ame time; only 75m¦ though and no 50% dps/hp boost).
Anyway, if it is possible to give ships +1 drone it should be no real problmes to give ships -1 drone.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:11:00 -
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That's daft, then it can only use 4 meds or 4 lights against smaller ships.
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Guurzak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:15:00 -
[51]
Conveniently, this proposal would also address the "5-sentry Vexor" exploit of scooping and redeploying more drone volume than you can fit in your bay at once.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:23:00 -
[52]
Originally by: keepiru
That's daft, then it can only use 4 meds or 4 lights against smaller ships.
Considering heavies hit cruisers just as well as meds there's usually not much of a reason to use anytzhing other than heavies vs them (excluding maybe specific setups like a nanocurse).
Only 4 lights vs frigs is another matter, but the advantage of having multiple flights of heavies (hell, being able to carry these 4 lights with you in the first place) IMO outweights this disadvantage.
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Tsar Maul
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:24:00 -
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I've added a "But..." because I can't get to sleep. I don't like it, but some people do.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:26:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Tsar Maul
I can't get to sleep.
Et tu, Brutor?
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Awox
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.12 01:28:00 -
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/signed
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Ergo Morte
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.12 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tsar Maul
Edited by: Tsar Maul on 12/11/2006 00:59:54
Originally by: Ergo Morte
Wow, just wow. What a startlingly poor grasp of why you have drone ships. The entire point of a drone ship is sustainable DPS with drones or a large degree of versatility with different drone types. You just want to hand out to everyone the unique trait of Gallente.
Why not just have open high slots and univeral damage bonuses so everyone can fit any weapon type they want and why are Mimater ships so much faster than everyone they should have speed points to let me have a Vaga without bothering to train any skills. If you want sustainable drone ships train Gallente just like if you want the options of any other race.
Funny, I thought the entire point of drone ships was to dish out loads of consistant damage while freeing up their highs for nos and their mids for ewar, while also having their damage output unaffected by the likes of tracking disruptors, sensor damps and ECM applied tot he ship. The fact that you can carry 3 waves of heavy drones is an added bonus for when someone brings a blob along and you have to run away very quickly.
I ask you this. Would you rather have a Dominix with 15 heavies, or a Dominix with 45-60 heavies and/or assorted ECM, sentry, small, medium and light drones?
Exactly.
Glad to help correct your misconceptions.
In all seriousness though, the Nos ECM steup only works really well on the Domi and even then 2xNos, 1xneut and the rest as guns work better. Most droneship setups mount guns as well, drones are part of the formula not a panacea. Removing uniqueness is rarely a good thing.
Specifically addressing the Myrmidon it should have a bigger drone bay now that they took away a slot. Many Gallente have asked for a bigger drone bay and less turret hardpoints, for those that don't know that's actually asking for less DPS. Some have even advocated a ship with a huge drone bay but no turrets. As envisioned the Myr fails, its' tank is too weak and its' DPS with only 4 heavys is too low to break the uber tanks that can be mounted on some other BCs.
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