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simukz
Red Moon Shield
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Posted - 2011.12.10 18:38:00 -
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as far as the hull goes i am voting for the miner frigs (Tormentor, Bantam, Navitas, and Burst)
I read 70% of the thread and i am not sure if it was mentioned...
But the biggest problem with frig class logi is # of locked targets and with 3 max locked targets it would be a pain to keep a 10 frig gang alive. in addition there is not enough time between the friendly getting primaried and you locking on it (small buffer tank).
I am sure we all (logies) been there where just did not lock it in time to save a fleet member... but: having a frig logi with # of locked targets increased to lets 9 (+1 per logistics level) and and lock time close to instant lock. And if it can fit medium RR (like cruiser logi can fit large); one or two frig logi maybe even used in larger than just frig class ship fleets. It could give that 1 sec hero rep cycle save fellow team8...
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Schnoo
The Schnoo
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Posted - 2011.12.10 19:41:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:I'm not in favor of Logistic Frigates, but rather... Anti-Logistic Frigates. An Anti-Logistic Frigater would be a Tech 3 Frigate that can target a ship and turn on a module (whatever you want to call the module) that will prevent that ship from being repped.
A much needed counter to Logistics and adds complexity to the fleet flight.
It also makes frigate roles in fleet fights more viable again because you will need a counter to the Anti-Logistic frigates to take them out.... Destroyers and such.
In a large scale,the battle would be complex (hopefully) Todays (buffed) Destroyers have a hard time dealing with T2 frigates, 1v1, what use would they have against a T3. |
Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
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Posted - 2011.12.10 20:12:00 -
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I like the idea of both logi and anti logi frigates. and if there addition would cause destroyers to become less usefull, lets create more of them as well. This Idea is one that could be a year or so off, since we dont see new ships all that often, but because of that we shouldnt limit the potential that they offer. I would hands down fly a logifrig, and have a blast with it. |
Kittamaru
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:12:00 -
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Bumping this back up for discussion:
Part of why I went with small reps was to keep with extremely low power consumption.
Their tank would primarily be their tiny sig radius and decent speed, which is amplified by the ability to perma run AB's while repping (due to small reps low power use and their bonuses).
Yes, this shorter range setup would require coordination and communication between pilots, which is part of the idea. I'm not looking to replace main logi's in large fleet battles :) |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:41:00 -
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Why would they need small modules for power reasons? Give them a bonus that reduces cap use for remote armor reps/shield transporters.
Giving them medium reppers wouldn't replace regular logis in fleet battles since you need a larger repper to reasonably keep a BS sized target alive. |
Kittamaru
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:41:00 -
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Eh, true... hell, why not :) |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:05:00 -
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Would be nice if they were only able to fit 2-3 medium reps with a range of about 30-40 range or something |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:08:00 -
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I got ganked |
Mr Painless
Temnava Legion TEMNAVA
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:09:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Finally, a use for the small DED shield/armor RR modules that are laying around ... oh, wait, they're still worse than the T2 ones.
I still like the idea of logi frigates. I don't know exactly how used they would be, but it does sound quite fun to fly.
Logi frigates are possibly the only chance for small/medium remote reppers ever being used for anything.
Small RR modules are completely useless as they are. Even mediums are hardly ever used. Add in the fact that really, their plex versions are only marginally (if at all) better than T2 variants. For comparison, small local reppers are roughly 2 times better in plex variants than T2. If plex remote reps were buffed to similar amount, maybe someone actually tries and makes some use of them. Otherwise, the only purpose they serve is for reprocessing. |
Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.14 11:29:00 -
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due to the limited HP of a frigate. I think the standard repairing damage may not work well, but giving extra temporary Shield or extra Amor Points that buff the frigate temporarly I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
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Bayushi Tamago
Caldari High Prime P R I M E
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Posted - 2011.12.19 01:57:00 -
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Instead of logi frigs: profession frigs? Would be a good use for the sparrow etc (the unused t2 mining frigate models) |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
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Posted - 2011.12.19 02:56:00 -
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Aethlyn wrote:Nice, my reply was ganked... another take on:
Also, on a further note: There are T1 cruisers having a Logistics bonus. People just ignore them most of the time (from what I've seen). If you'd really like to go for Logistics, you could test the waters with one of these, although being not as effective as with the T2, you could still lend a hand as well as see how it plays.
No you can not, because they lack any bonus to actually make them worth using. They are fragile as hell, have fitting issues and are generally not worth using. AF actually sounds fine for a logistic bonus, right now they are decent robust and would actually make a good "logistic" or better spider-tank, just give them that logistic range bonus based on af skill. 30/40km range would be more than enough range for fast and agile ships. And actually small reps would have more range than mediums of those pity t1 logistic which simply sucks. |
Kasperow
Avitus Lugus
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Posted - 2011.12.22 11:20:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: I'm not opposed to the idea of logistics frigates, but I'd much prefer they fix t1 logistics ships:
Both the Exeq & Osprey have the potential to become great low-cost logistics ships with only minor tweeks.
As for logistics frigates, they need to fit medium RR modules to be effective!
The purpose of logistics is a force multiplier. In a standard fleet battle, one logi ship easily negates the dps of 2+ enemy ships.This has a cascading effect, so that a fleet with a few logis can take on reasonable larger fleets and win. Now, assuming one logi-frigate provides 4 small RR, its range and rep quanitty really limit the the "force multiplier" effect. Essentially 4 Small RR doesn't negate much more than the dps of a single frigate, let alone a destroyer+ class hull.
The idea wasn't as much to "negate damage" as it was to "give the target a bit more EHP". And hell, if they just add a, say, 20% bonus to remote shield/armor repair amount per skill level, they'll have the potential to give 8 Small Remote Repairers with just 4 high-slots. I know that they'll need a huge range-boost as well, but that's all something that needs to be sorted out.
I'm personally for the idea of Logi-frigates, as I prefer flying small Frigates, so more options would be sweet. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.12.22 13:13:00 -
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Kasperow wrote:The idea wasn't as much to "negate damage" as it was to "give the target a bit more EHP". And hell, if they just add a, say, 20% bonus to remote shield/armor repair amount per skill level, they'll have the potential to give 8 Small Remote Repairers with just 4 high-slots. I know that they'll need a huge range-boost as well, but that's all something that needs to be sorted out.... With a 100% efficiency bonus a small RR has exactly the same output/input as a medium RR only with 20% less range.
If we were to give them 20% efficiency and 150% range (like logi cruisers) per level you get medium RR performance with 40'ish km range which is as far as I am concerned just about perfect. By 'restricting' them to smalls we can avoid having to add cap/fitting bonuses which are required were we to use mediums (see logistics cruisers) and thus leave room for a secondary bonus .. frigs may be cheap, but if they become copies of the logistics cruisers (ie. no function beyond RR) then they become liabilities (comparatively low EHP) so they need something more as it were.
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Kittamaru
Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:41:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Kasperow wrote:The idea wasn't as much to "negate damage" as it was to "give the target a bit more EHP". And hell, if they just add a, say, 20% bonus to remote shield/armor repair amount per skill level, they'll have the potential to give 8 Small Remote Repairers with just 4 high-slots. I know that they'll need a huge range-boost as well, but that's all something that needs to be sorted out.... With a 100% efficiency bonus a small RR has exactly the same output/input as a medium RR only with 20% less range. If we were to give them 20% efficiency and 150% range (like logi cruisers) per level you get medium RR performance with 40'ish km range which is as far as I am concerned just about perfect. By 'restricting' them to smalls we can avoid having to add cap/fitting bonuses which are required were we to use mediums (see logistics cruisers) and thus leave room for a secondary bonus .. frigs may be cheap, but if they become copies of the logistics cruisers (ie. no function beyond RR) then they become liabilities (comparatively low EHP) so they need something more as it were.
*shrugs* Again, main point is to add SOME kind of logistics capacity for small, fast gangs of Frig/Dessie sized vessels :) |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:51:00 -
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Aye, it is sorely needed for me as well .. we have shield logi fast/nimble enough in the Scimi but that's about it.
Maybe when null (read: CSM) gets their wish and convince CCP to launch the light cruisers, aka. over-buffed AFs, they'll realise that they have just the one logi option and convince CCP to give them something lighter that isn't 5+ times the cost of its 'clients'. |
Lucjan
R-E-D
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:15:00 -
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Seems like you want interceptors with logistical bonuses instead of offensive ones.
Novelty is always fun. |
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