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Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2015.05.18 07:55:40 -
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In my sig you can see two really nice suggestions how to make mining more interactive and interesting. I got one more idea.
Many planets has rings. Pieces of rocks and ice flying around, colliding, breaking each other etc... Can be really hard place to survive in mining ship if you do not pay attention.
Rings are so huge, that you have to use special new kind of scanning probe, to find useable pieces of ice or ore. Those pieces are moving, so once you warp to a place you have to turn your survey scanner quickly or rock will get so far away you will have to scan it again, with probes.
After some rock collisions, even null sec ore can appear in rings in high sec. Since CCP tryes to make null independant from high sec that would give high sec manufactors at least some access to high end minerals.
In some areas ice sources are so poor, that ice from rings can also solve some of those problems.
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
41
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Posted - 2015.05.18 08:46:47 -
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In some of the other space sim games (like Elite dangerous or Evochron mercenary), mining is done in rings around planets, and the need to scan them and then keep track of the place would make it a real mining activity in EVE online, so +1 for that.
But even if we have now small anomalies with sometimes hemorphite gneiss etc (which are low-sec I think but with little high-end minerals), the quantity of these should stay low if added, ABC ores are called nullsec ores for a reason. Totally agree with ice, maybe gas or moon goo floating around ? which could make the "deep core mining" useful and not just a placeholder for mercoxit.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Navy Jackal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.05.18 14:01:40 -
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+1 I like the idea ! |
Mr Thicke
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.05.18 15:02:57 -
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+87 |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1155
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Posted - 2015.05.18 15:04:29 -
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I'm not averse to probing rings... |
Deep Nine
State War Academy Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2015.05.18 15:51:41 -
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Null Infinity wrote:In my sig you can see two really nice suggestions how to make mining more interactive and interesting. I got one more idea.
Many planets has rings. Pieces of rocks and ice flying around, colliding, breaking each other etc... Can be really hard place to survive in mining ship if you do not pay attention.
Rings are so huge, that you have to use special new kind of scanning probe, to find useable pieces of ice or ore. Those pieces are moving, so once you warp to a place you have to turn your survey scanner quickly or rock will get so far away you will have to scan it again, with probes.
After some rock collisions, even null sec ore can appear in rings in high sec. Since CCP tryes to make null independant from high sec that would give high sec manufactors at least some access to high end minerals.
In some areas ice sources are so poor, that ice from rings can also solve some of those problems.
Mining planet rings? I support this idea, +1. The element of risk versus reward should be balanced beyond ice, ore, and gas, because if moving asteroids can actually do damage and destroy your ship, it would need to be significantly more money to justify the risk. This would also justify the use of a microwarp drive on your barge, hilarious.
However, if you've ever been in the rings of a planet, you know that they move far too fast to harvest in anyway, so the graphic would need to be changed as well to accommodate the placement of these fields. If not, it would be essential to use a microwarp drive or a smaller ship like a venture to be able to keep up with the movement of the field.
Also, flying and harvesting at high speed would require focused attention and would prevent any type of afk mining, this is interesting, as it would make the mining of these belts sort of like PvP for industry, look or walk away from the key board and you may fly straight into a shattering asteroid and blow your ship up.
I like it. |
Olivias Lahoe
Black Market Imperium
5
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:12:32 -
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Yes it's a good idea and at this point underrated.
Your thread needs more attention, work more on the mechanics of the idea and post them. |
joecuster
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
48
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:15:30 -
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0/10 |
Cassandra Opium
The Opium Sisters
10
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:16:13 -
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Do want.
i can has gas in planet rings too? |
Deep Nine
State War Academy Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:40:18 -
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I was thinking a bit more about your idea, as it has a great deal of potential.
Perhaps a wide variety of trace elements from, ice, gas, moons, ore, and planets can be found in the ring sites?
Consider the following: The Accretion Disk.
Since EVE is based on a great deal of actual physics and scientific data, it would make sense for the ring sites to contain a multitude of resources from all over the solar system. Planets, especially enormous gas giants, have a gravitational pull that can capture every type of floating debris traveling through space but they are also formed from the meteor impacts that strike the planet and the moons in orbit.
The Accretion Disk can contain trace elements of non-organic planetary resources, small quantifies of moon goo, minerals blown from the atmosphere, ice which naturally forms, and gasses that are trapped in the gravitational pull of the planets atmosphere. Combined, they form a unique new eden harvesting site referred to as, An Accretion Disk., per your idea, found only around certain planets and can only be only scanned down by probes, they wont show up automatically on the Probe Scanner by themselves like ore and ice sites do.
With this is mind, you would either need a new type of specialized ORE harvesting ship or modules to collect the matter accumulated in the rings. |
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Deep Nine
State War Academy Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2015.05.18 20:34:34 -
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+1. |
Mila Strelok
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
39
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Posted - 2015.05.18 21:51:08 -
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Sometimes I miss my mining days 4 years ago
+1 |
Dagger Micstilson
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.19 01:12:48 -
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+1.
Quote:The Accretion Disk can contain trace elements of non-organic planetary resources, small quantifies of moon goo, minerals blown from the atmosphere, ice which naturally forms, and gasses that are trapped in the gravitational pull of the planets atmosphere. Combined, they form a unique new eden harvesting site referred to as, An Accretion Disk., per your idea, found only around certain planets and can only be only scanned down by probes, they wont show up automatically on the Probe Scanner by themselves like ore and ice sites do.
This. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2192
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Posted - 2015.05.19 01:31:14 -
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For this sort of idea to work, mining barges need at least true cruiser level fittings, depending on if they are cruiser or bc sized vessels, so they can actually fit real fits rather than the current laughable fits. For regular forum posters I've posted enough on this topic, for less regular posters TLDR Only one type of barge, 14 slots, hard cap on strip miners, some turret/launcher options, some drones, cruiser level PG/CPU. Other current barges get re-purposed to true ore combat cruiser and true ore hauler, but both get ability to fit unbonused strip miner or 2 so as to not be totally useless when nothing is happening while escorting mining fleets. |
erg cz
Tribal Core
257
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Posted - 2015.05.19 08:11:07 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:For this sort of idea to work, mining barges need at least true cruiser level fittings,.
Deep Nine wrote:
With this is mind, you would either need a new type of specialized ORE harvesting ship or modules to collect the matter accumulated in the rings.
So it seems to me we have found the true reason for T3 mining vessel. Frigate or barge size - do not matter IMHO. It should be able to mine ore and ice (gas is a static cloud, no way to stay in ring), have bonus for probing and very high basic speed or bonus to prop module fitting. Ability to mine moon minerals would be interesting too, but is not that crucial in my opinion.
What can be realy hard to implement is the big amount of celestial objects, moving and colliding. Hello TiDi? On the other hand the view can be hillarios... |
Deep Nine
State War Academy Caldari State
386
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Posted - 2015.05.19 11:46:02 -
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erg cz wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:For this sort of idea to work, mining barges need at least true cruiser level fittings,. Deep Nine wrote:
With this is mind, you would either need a new type of specialized ORE harvesting ship or modules to collect the matter accumulated in the rings.
So it seems to me we have found the true reason for T3 mining vessel. Frigate or barge size - do not matter IMHO. It should be able to mine ore and ice (gas is a static cloud, no way to stay in ring), have bonus for probing and very high basic speed or bonus to prop module fitting. Ability to mine moon minerals would be interesting too, but is not that crucial in my opinion. What can be realy hard to implement is the big amount of celestial objects, moving and colliding. Hello TiDi? On the other hand the view can be hillarios...
Primarily any actual suggestions made are to progress the idea, cherry picking ideas is part of the process to making head way in progressive the game.
With that being said, it doesent mean a barge cannot be oriented towards speed although this is unlikely as they are usually considered too bulky to be agile.
Quote:It should be able to mine ore and ice (gas is a static cloud, no way to stay in ring), have bonus for probing and very high basic speed or bonus to prop module fitting
Thank you for reiterating the ideas already proposed, but we basically already have this.
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
45
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Posted - 2015.05.19 13:49:25 -
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We could use webifier to slow down the piece we want to mine too, instead of having to tweak existing ships, because they can already be put on any mining barges.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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The Boogieman
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2015.05.19 19:24:02 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:For this sort of idea to work, mining barges need at least true cruiser level fittings, depending on if they are cruiser or bc sized vessels, so they can actually fit real fits rather than the current laughable fits. For regular forum posters I've posted enough on this topic, for less regular posters TLDR Only one type of barge, 14 slots, hard cap on strip miners, some turret/launcher options, some drones, cruiser level PG/CPU. Other current barges get re-purposed to true ore combat cruiser and true ore hauler, but both get ability to fit unbonused strip miner or 2 so as to not be totally useless when nothing is happening while escorting mining fleets.
>>Make battlecruiser mining barges. >>With 14 slots >>TLDR two sentences >>Hard cap on strip miners, lol >>Turrets and Launchers >>Drones >>More CPU and Powergrid then ever needed >>true ore combat cruiser >>unbonused strip miner for escort fleets.
Just go play WoW. |
erg cz
Tribal Core
263
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Posted - 2015.05.20 07:48:43 -
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Deep Nine wrote:
Thank you for reiterating the ideas already proposed, but we basically already have this.
Pleasure. I agreed with you and even quoted your post, where is the problem? |
Deep Nine
State War Academy Caldari State
393
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Posted - 2015.05.20 15:36:19 -
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erg cz wrote:Deep Nine wrote:
Thank you for reiterating the ideas already proposed, but we basically already have this.
Pleasure. I agreed with you and even quoted your post, where is the problem?
There was no offense intended, I was thanking you for backing me up. It wasent meant as sarcasm.
Thank you for supporting the idea, this forum needs more constructive input instead of trolls. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
5501
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Posted - 2015.05.20 16:39:43 -
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Removed a troll post.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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erg cz
Tribal Core
265
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Posted - 2015.05.21 08:27:15 -
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Deep Nine wrote:
There was no offense intended, I was thanking you for backing me up. .
Oh! Sorry for misunderstanding than. And bump the idea.
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Deep Nine
State War Academy Caldari State
419
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:46:42 -
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Bump. |
Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:02:31 -
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Thank you all for input!
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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Navy Jackal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.05.25 12:04:11 -
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Bump ! |
Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
428
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Posted - 2015.05.25 22:13:00 -
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+2.
This needs examination. |
erg cz
Tribal Core
282
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:11:48 -
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Bump interesting idea. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
997
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:29:04 -
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Quote:15. Bumping outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channels is prohibited.
The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment forum channels. Within the EVE Marketplace section of the forums, each forum category has its own rules regarding acceptable bumping for sales threads clearly listed in the stickies.
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Navy Jackal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.05.26 21:13:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:For this sort of idea to work, mining barges need at least true cruiser level fittings, depending on if they are cruiser or bc sized vessels, so they can actually fit real fits rather than the current laughable fits. For regular forum posters I've posted enough on this topic, for less regular posters TLDR Only one type of barge, 14 slots, hard cap on strip miners, some turret/launcher options, some drones, cruiser level PG/CPU. Other current barges get re-purposed to true ore combat cruiser and true ore hauler, but both get ability to fit unbonused strip miner or 2 so as to not be totally useless when nothing is happening while escorting mining fleets.
I think we should keep this idea simple, or CCP never will start even concidering it. |
erg cz
Tribal Core
282
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Posted - 2015.05.27 07:51:43 -
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Navy Jackal wrote:
I think we should keep this idea simple, or CCP never will start even concidering it.
Well, this "Strategic industrial" suggestion hints me, that there are more reasons to think about new mining ship. |
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