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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.19 00:26:42 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Em Lock wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Em Lock wrote:API's can't access my account right? Just my character info and stuff? What I mean is nobody can log in using it to my account management page or my in game character?
if this is the case I can provide an api on request or post it here even it's no drama. And also do I need to pay my lawyer? I don't think I have the kinda money that representation deserves :D Please send the OP a bill for your legal costs. This is obviously a situation where you were framed, where the real criminal was the op. i will but my bill will be in the form of kill mails. I'm usually a nice person but I feel this situation warants some space violence You are correct. You may wish to speak to your local New Order Agent to see if you can arrange any special payment sessions. Or wingspan. They are practically the new order wormhole style no?
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.19 00:39:43 -
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I'm no expert but if Em Lock stole several T3's shouldn't they be somewhere? Just a thought. I think the guilty party is obvious
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
181
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Posted - 2015.05.19 02:49:17 -
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After further and very detailed review of the api provided, I see none of the mentioned assets have been sold or traded or are in the possession of the accused. Unless i'm a seeing things wrong these accusations need to be wiped from all records and further recourse needs taken against the slanderer.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.05.19 02:50:26 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I'm no expert but if Em Lock stole several T3's shouldn't they be somewhere? Just a thought. I think the guilty party is obvious
Yes.. but we don't have Nitshe's API to tell for sure.
DAMN THAT MAN OR WOMAN... OR PLATYPUS.. OR WHATEVER FARM ANIMAL OF WAR LANA... WAIT... THAT LAST ONE WAS FROM ARCHER AND DIDNT REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT MY GOD WHY IS MY CAPS LOCK STILL ON PEOPLE MUST THINK IM SCREAMING THIS BUT IM NOT BUT THEYRE PROBABLY WONDERING WHY I HAVENT UNCLICKED THE CAPS LOCK KEY AT THIS Point there I did it now where was I... something something something damn that... F me my brain is done.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.19 03:01:18 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:After further and very detailed review of the api provided, I see none of the mentioned assets have been sold or traded or are in the possession of the accused. Unless i'm a seeing things wrong these accusations need to be wiped from all records and further recourse needs taken against the slanderer. Well I now know a tasty wardec target that has several T3's
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2609
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Posted - 2015.05.19 03:02:32 -
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I have sent the OP a mail demanding payment for wasting our time. If he does not pay, he will PAY.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.19 03:06:25 -
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Leto Thule wrote:I have sent the OP a mail demanding payment for wasting our time. If he does not pay, he will PAY. Looks like they live in wormhole space. You decide to do something about that you include me you hear
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2609
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Posted - 2015.05.19 03:07:36 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Leto Thule wrote:I have sent the OP a mail demanding payment for wasting our time. If he does not pay, he will PAY. Looks like they live in wormhole space. You decide to do something about that you include me you hear
Sigh. I guess im going to have to get them evicted.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.19 03:27:06 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Leto Thule wrote:I have sent the OP a mail demanding payment for wasting our time. If he does not pay, he will PAY. Looks like they live in wormhole space. You decide to do something about that you include me you hear Sigh. I guess im going to have to get them evicted. They could always pay us and save us the effort
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.19 05:48:12 -
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A C&P WH eviction. Has there ever been such a thing before?
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Cade Kenobi
Death Row inc
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Posted - 2015.05.19 09:47:17 -
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Your Honour may i put forward my version of events on the fateful day in question. Shorty after DT on Sunday the 17th i was informed via text message by corp mate 7395 that the accused was removing ships that did not belong to him from the SMA so i logged in to game as quick as i could. Upon logging in i was informed by another corp mate Den Graae that he had witnessed the accused remove two T3 crusiers from the SMA and fly them to the wormhole entrance where he ejected from them and an accomplice then boarded them. At this point the accused was ignoring all attempts by Den Graae to find out why he was removing his ships from the WH. As i was just about to lock down access to the SMA the accused left corp and logged off.
Upon closer inspection of the SMA we found four T3 crusiers and two faction crusiers to be missing. Fellow corp member Darkeshi D'Lor who had been in a previous corp with the accused then mailed him to say how disapointed he was with the accused's actions and how it reflected badly on himself and several other corp members who had transferred from another corp a couple of months earlier and giving him the option to return the stolen ships, There has so far been no response to this mail from the accused. |
EpicDouble Facepalm
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:35:06 -
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Making myself available for the reclamation of fees owed to the defence for this quite heinous smear of character on Em Lock as an enforcement agent and if funds cannot be procured a bailiff/ executioner of this fine court's will |
Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2612
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:44:05 -
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Cade Kenobi wrote:Your Honour may i put forward my version of events on the fateful day in question. Shorty after DT on Sunday the 17th i was informed via text message by corp mate 7395 that the accused was removing ships that did not belong to him from the SMA so i logged in to game as quick as i could. Upon logging in i was informed by another corp mate Den Graae that he had witnessed the accused remove two T3 crusiers from the SMA and fly them to the wormhole entrance where he ejected from them and an accomplice then boarded them. At this point the accused was ignoring all attempts by Den Graae to find out why he was removing his ships from the WH. As i was just about to lock down access to the SMA the accused left corp and logged off.
Upon closer inspection of the SMA we found four T3 crusiers and two faction crusiers to be missing. Fellow corp member Darkeshi D'Lor who had been in a previous corp with the accused then mailed him to say how disapointed he was with the accused's actions and how it reflected badly on himself and several other corp members who had transferred from another corp a couple of months earlier and giving him the option to return the stolen ships, There has so far been no response to this mail from the accused.
Thank you for your testimonial, SIR.
Now, allow me to cross examine --
First, how can it be said that the accused "stole" the ships if he simply removed them from the SMA and flew them away? As no stranger to WH life, I can attest that the proper way to store ships is to use the SAA, and then transfer to the SMA when you intend to use them. This prevents any possibility of someone taking something that isnt theirs, provided you have set the roles up correctly.
So, in closing my first question, is it not true that the accused was ALLOWED access to these ships? Can it not be said that you cannot STEAL something you have ownership of already?? Is it not YOUR fault that the hanger roles were not correctly set up?????!?!?!!111!!ONE!!!
Now for the second question, you state that the accused "left corp and then logged off" right before you were able to lock down the SMA access. How can that be? You cannot quit corp or be kicked while in space.
Lastly, if the witness indeed saw this fine capsuleer take the assets, why was nothing DONE to prevent it?? Why not warp a baby dictor to the exit hole? WHY NOT ROLL THE HOLE so he cant get out???
Ladies, gents, I move that this is an elaborate plot to shift blame, and that OP and his "witness" are the actual thieves. The evidence is clear.
Thank you for your time.
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Nerapa
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:52:48 -
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Your honour, Esteemed grand jury. Respected plantiffs and so on, so on.
IF THE SHIP DONT FIT! YOU MUST ACQUIT.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:54:00 -
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Cade Kenobi wrote:Your Honour may i put forward my version of events on the fateful day in question. Shorty after DT on Sunday the 17th i was informed via text message by corp mate 7395 that the accused was removing ships that did not belong to him from the SMA so i logged in to game as quick as i could. Upon logging in i was informed by another corp mate Den Graae that he had witnessed the accused remove two T3 crusiers from the SMA and fly them to the wormhole entrance where he ejected from them and an accomplice then boarded them. At this point the accused was ignoring all attempts by Den Graae to find out why he was removing his ships from the WH. As i was just about to lock down access to the SMA the accused left corp and logged off.
Upon closer inspection of the SMA we found four T3 crusiers and two faction crusiers to be missing. Fellow corp member Darkeshi D'Lor who had been in a previous corp with the accused then mailed him to say how disapointed he was with the accused's actions and how it reflected badly on himself and several other corp members who had transferred from another corp a couple of months earlier and giving him the option to return the stolen ships, There has so far been no response to this mail from the accused. It's a good story. It's really not as good a story as UAE's tho and tbh it is still 100% proofless. Where is the FRAPS footage? Why are there no contracts? Who is the second member of this would be conspiracy to rip you off of a small handful of ships?
Now for my story. I co ran a wormhole corp for roughly 9 months. To limit Corp thefts we had a communal POS that had strict limits on quantities of ships it could have and after that 6 man members POS's. Before this setup we had one POS with 2 SMA's. 1 that was limited and 1 that wasn't. After losing our doctrine DOMI fleet to theft (we didn't get fraps but we did get eyes on as you claim to have done so) we decided we didn't have enough proof to convince another corp that we had been wronged so we took space justice into our own hands and several months later he lost a 5bil isk incursion vindi and a 3bil isk pod for the 1.8bil isk stolen.
We altered our setups to the members/communal pos. Another corp theft took place 3-4 months later this time from somebody I had recruited. I was devastated and took it personally upon myself to organize a corp 100% tax site running fleet where we all chipped in to replace the meager 3bil that was stolen. This time I had all the proof I needed and instead of tipping my hand simply waited until he joined another wormhole corp and contacted the CEO. I provided my proof and we got him stripped of about 1bil worth of a prot and he now has a lovely medal for Corp Theft that will stick with him for all time. Oh did I mention that my vengeance didn't stop there. Turns out his main was a recruiter for a prominent wormhole corp. To date we have siphoned off roughly 7bil worth of his personal ships that he still has no idea where they have wound up.
That is how you deal with these things. Posting proofless threads makes you a victim and a target. Hell this is the forum where half the locals are the guys are alleviating unused space assets from unwary Corps and they all now know you won't even catch them in the act assuming this isn't some elaborate recruitment scam.
On a side note I did notice a incursion fit rokh in the defendants assets list hint hint. Post here if you ever get your vengeance but otherwise don't be surprised if you see our fleet first demanding justice for the time we wasted in the form of blood.
I rule the OP is guilty of all charges and is fined all Legal Fees and is further more fined to the tune of 2bil ISK to be sent to either Leto or Myself. Case Closed.
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EpicDouble Facepalm
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Posted - 2015.05.19 12:59:08 -
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As I am unfamiliar with court procedure how long does the OP have to pay said legal costs as well as compensation towards his victim before reclamation and enforcement agents are sent to relieve him of his assets ? |
Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.19 13:03:14 -
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EpicDouble Facepalm wrote:As I am unfamiliar with court procedure how long does the OP have to pay said legal costs as well as compensation towards his victim before reclamation and enforcement agents are sent to relieve him of his assets ? Imediately would be soon enough I feel. If we are unsatisfied as of when I am next able to enter the actual game (probably tomorrow) I will see to it that you are able to carry out your enforcement in High-Sec as well as and deep dark hole they crawl out of.
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
821
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Posted - 2015.05.19 13:06:21 -
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He has till the ship finished locking him.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
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Nerapa
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
12
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Posted - 2015.05.19 13:21:52 -
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EpicDouble Facepalm wrote:As I am unfamiliar with court procedure how long does the OP have to pay said legal costs as well as compensation towards his victim before reclamation and enforcement agents are sent to relieve him of his assets ?
Not to mention that has character and principles have been tarnished, destroyed, slanderised and dragged through space dust.
A thing a man works so hard to built up which cannot be easily repaired.
Might a suggest a counter suit for libel. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21408
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Posted - 2015.05.19 19:13:31 -
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Ladies and Gentlemen, esteemed members of the CoCaP, I am in agreement with Mr Thule.
If these supposed ships, which I might add have not been proven to exist in the first place, were in a clearly unlocked hangar in which the roles were clearly set up in which everyone could freely take from and have access to, then how could one theoretically "steal" the supposed assets from it?
If someone were to theoretically see a hangar with such permissions, it might lead one to believe that the assets contained therein were free to take, and as we all know, it is not stealing if something is free to take!
But this is clearly not the case. Op's corp roles and hangars are surely set up correctly in order to keep such things from happening! We have absolutely no ones word on this!
Now, Mr Kenobi, if that is in fact your real name, if another corp member has in fact witnessed the alleged event, would not this member have taken many screenshots of the incident while it was happening? ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IT WAS TOO HARD FOR THIS "DEN GRAAE" TO PRESS 'PRINT SCREEN' IN ORDER TO PROVE WHAT HE SAYS WAS TRUE!?!?!?!??!?!
Ladies and gentlemen of the CoCaP, I immediately move to indict Mr. Den Graae as an obvious accomplice to the theft of corporate assets by Mr Cade Kenobi, as well as this other unknown "corp mate 7395", if he even exists. I move for a motion of discovery of the identity of 'corp mate 7395' in order to bring him to justice.
I would like to point out at this time, that there has been no tangible proof whatsoever offered by the OP and his accomplices, but the accused Ms Lock has freely given complete API access in order to prove her innocence, and upon inspection there was no evidence of the aforementioned assets currently in or ever having been in her possession.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
825
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Posted - 2015.05.19 19:30:42 -
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HERE HERE!
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21410
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Posted - 2015.05.19 21:06:16 -
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In addendum to my previous statement, I would like to add the charge of 'Using the word "confirmed" in the title of a proofless thread' to the list of charges being levied against Mr Cade Kenobi.
It was a minor omission on my part, as the law has only recently been enacted. I beg the forgiveness of the court for this oversight.
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
182
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Posted - 2015.05.20 02:34:46 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Lastly, if the witness indeed saw this fine capsuleer take the assets, why was nothing DONE to prevent it?? Why not warp a baby dictor to the exit hole? WHY NOT ROLL THE HOLE so he cant get out??? Ladies, gents, I move that this is an elaborate plot to shift blame, and that OP and his [u][b][i] "witness" [/i][/b][/u] are the actual thieves. The evidence is clear. Thank you for your time.
Reading this statement brings something to my attention. Recent traces of Scrotumite are being detected near Cade Kenobi's temporary quarters. Evidence of this can be seen in the 2 likes he has received without providing still yet a single iota of evidence against Em Lock. Where the others are from will take further investigation.
Requesting a full shakedown with proper decontamination measures are advised Your Honor. With further permission i will call Scrotumate, Crew 840/2 with the new Scrotumite sniffing Fedo's as a precautionary measure. I will advise further contact with the accuser be very limited.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.20 02:52:21 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Lastly, if the witness indeed saw this fine capsuleer take the assets, why was nothing DONE to prevent it?? Why not warp a baby dictor to the exit hole? WHY NOT ROLL THE HOLE so he cant get out??? Ladies, gents, I move that this is an elaborate plot to shift blame, and that OP and his [u][b][i] "witness" [/i][/b][/u] are the actual thieves. The evidence is clear. Thank you for your time. Reading this statement brings something to my attention. Recent traces of Scrotumite are being detected near Cade Kenobi's temporary quarters. Evidence of this can be seen in the 2 likes he has received without providing still yet a single iota of evidence against Em Lock. Where the others are from will take further investigation. Requesting a full shakedown with proper decontamination measures are advised Your Honor. With further permission i will call Scrotumate, Crew 840/2 with the new Scrotumite sniffing Fedo's as a precautionary measure. I will advise further contact with the accuser be very limited. 840/2 you say? Such a person/people may know 7395?
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Nerapa
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.05.20 06:33:02 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, esteemed members of the CoCaP, I am in agreement with Mr Thule.
If these supposed ships, which I might add have not been proven to exist in the first place, were in a clearly unlocked hangar in which the roles were clearly set up in which everyone could freely take from and have access to, then how could one theoretically "steal" the supposed assets from it?
If someone were to theoretically see a hangar with such permissions, it might lead one to believe that the assets contained therein were free to take, and as we all know, it is not stealing if something is free to take!
But this is clearly not the case. Op's corp roles and hangars are surely set up correctly in order to keep such things from happening! We have absolutely no ones word on this!
Now, Mr Kenobi, if that is in fact your real name, if another corp member has in fact witnessed the alleged event, would not this member have taken many screenshots of the incident while it was happening? ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IT WAS TOO HARD FOR THIS "DEN GRAAE" TO PRESS 'PRINT SCREEN' IN ORDER TO PROVE WHAT HE SAYS WAS TRUE!?!?!?!??!?!
Ladies and gentlemen of the CoCaP, I immediately move to indict Mr. Den Graae as an obvious accomplice to the theft of corporate assets by Mr Cade Kenobi, as well as this other unknown "corp mate 7395", if he even exists. I move for a motion of discovery of the identity of 'corp mate 7395' in order to bring him to justice.
I would like to point out at this time, that there has been no tangible proof whatsoever offered by the OP and his accomplices, but the accused Ms Lock has freely given complete API access in order to prove her innocence, and upon inspection there was no evidence of the aforementioned assets currently in or ever having been in her possession.
Permission to approach the bench you're honour! |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
700
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Posted - 2015.05.20 06:43:02 -
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Nerapa wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, esteemed members of the CoCaP, I am in agreement with Mr Thule.
If these supposed ships, which I might add have not been proven to exist in the first place, were in a clearly unlocked hangar in which the roles were clearly set up in which everyone could freely take from and have access to, then how could one theoretically "steal" the supposed assets from it?
If someone were to theoretically see a hangar with such permissions, it might lead one to believe that the assets contained therein were free to take, and as we all know, it is not stealing if something is free to take!
But this is clearly not the case. Op's corp roles and hangars are surely set up correctly in order to keep such things from happening! We have absolutely no ones word on this!
Now, Mr Kenobi, if that is in fact your real name, if another corp member has in fact witnessed the alleged event, would not this member have taken many screenshots of the incident while it was happening? ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IT WAS TOO HARD FOR THIS "DEN GRAAE" TO PRESS 'PRINT SCREEN' IN ORDER TO PROVE WHAT HE SAYS WAS TRUE!?!?!?!??!?!
Ladies and gentlemen of the CoCaP, I immediately move to indict Mr. Den Graae as an obvious accomplice to the theft of corporate assets by Mr Cade Kenobi, as well as this other unknown "corp mate 7395", if he even exists. I move for a motion of discovery of the identity of 'corp mate 7395' in order to bring him to justice.
I would like to point out at this time, that there has been no tangible proof whatsoever offered by the OP and his accomplices, but the accused Ms Lock has freely given complete API access in order to prove her innocence, and upon inspection there was no evidence of the aforementioned assets currently in or ever having been in her possession. Permission to approach the bench you're honour! You may approach
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Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.05.20 07:18:33 -
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I'm glad I wasn't called in as Mr. Kenobi's lawyer for this trial. The amount of proof does not leave much to work with. Of course Judge Noragen Neirfallas, I am available as counsel as usual.
Mr Kenobi, I do recommend attempting to settle this outside of court, the current proceedings do not look to be in your favor.
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Nerapa
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.05.20 12:03:45 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:I'm glad I wasn't called in as Mr. Kenobi's lawyer for this trial. The amount of proof does not leave much to work with. Of course Judge Noragen Neirfallas, I am available as counsel as usual.
Mr Kenobi, I do recommend attempting to settle this outside of court, the current proceedings do not look to be in your favor.
I'm afraid there will be no out of court settlement. I am attempting to contact the defendent to ensure a counter suit is lodged.
THE MANS NAME, CHARACTER, REPUTATION has been besmirched god dammit.
deposition's will be underway, subpoena's if necessary. The opposing council will have affidavit coming out their space ass's!
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2634
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Posted - 2015.05.20 12:18:17 -
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#EmLockmatters
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.05.20 14:08:34 -
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#GiveEmAChance
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