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Mugen Seikatsu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.19 15:22:00 -
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Hi everyone,
I'm completely new to EVE Online, i've been seduced by the universe, the complexity and the hard core side of what seems to me in some ways as one of the best MMOs out there. The only problem that makes me some kind of anxious and indecisive is the Subscription part of the game. Actually when i was walking on the street, i asked myself, how long would it take me to be able to pay this subscription for free considering the 30 days of free trial and the free days that i could get through some Youtubers links.
Best Regards.
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Kameloso
Starstuff Industrial Providence Initiative
5
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Posted - 2015.05.19 15:39:38 -
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2 - 3 months and you can easily pay for a plex monthly, if you know how/what to do. Its possible faster, but you would turn the game into Second, boring job to do. |
Gorthanator
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2015.05.19 15:53:31 -
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far easier to just pay your sub and enjoy the game rather then grind for that much isk all the time.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1666
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Posted - 2015.05.19 16:48:37 -
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I've been playing almost 3 years and I prefer to pay the sub than have to worry every month about making enough for a PLEX. I have a good RL job, the ~$13 that the sub costs (in 3-month chunks) is less than an hour's work there. Earning 800 million ISK would definitely take longer than an hour's gaming. |
Memphis Baas
411
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Posted - 2015.05.19 16:57:39 -
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They don't make it too easy, and as a newbie you'll have some limitations in what ships you can use to make money.
So, as it's been already said, once you have a few months and some ship skills unlocked, it can be done (a lot more effort than making 20 dollars or euros at ANY job, but it can be done).
Get the longest trial that you can (including buddy invite or whatever), and use the time to figure out if you like the game (by trying every activity and reading tutorials etc.). Then, if you like, I'd recommend paying a month or two, after which you should have enough stuff unlocked to be able to grind 800 million per month. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Viziam Amarr Empire
9615
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Posted - 2015.05.19 16:59:37 -
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the cost of a month in eve is comparable to
1 bottle of ok wine or 8 bottles of Draught Guinness or about an hour in a pub or the amount of money i have to give the doorman at a nightclub just to let me through the door.
my cable tv cost me well over twice my sub per month and there was only about 4 hours of content a week on the damn service i actually watched.
just pay the sub.
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Paranoid Loyd
5220
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Posted - 2015.05.19 17:00:57 -
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With a year subscription it cost $0.36/day to play, if you can't or don't want to front that cash and pay by month you are still only paying .49/day.
For the amount of enjoyment I can get out of this game, I can not get a better value for my $ 0.36.
Better to pay for it and enjoy the game then to turn it into something that requires grinding so that you can play for "free". If you truly can't afford .50/day you probably shouldn't be playing video games.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
628
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Posted - 2015.05.19 17:45:24 -
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Firstly, I agree with the other posters that your time is more valuable than that, and just paying subscription is a massively better deal.
That said: PLEX are sold through the player market, so while there is an answer _now_, it's not guaranteed to stay the same for all time.
Currently, PLEX go for 850 Misk or so. Thus, you can take your income stream and work out roughly how much time that translates to fairly easily. For instance, the lazy way that I run L4 missions tends to net me something like 15 or 20 M/hour, so buying a PLEX would be something like 40-50 hours of mission running
At that point I have to make a couple decisions, and would generally probably say 50 hours a month probably isn't worth it if I'm not doing the actual part of Eve that I enjoy. Even if it _is_ the part I enjoy, in six months maybe the price hits 1 bil, and I have to reassess.
Certainly, I'm lazy about it because I don't enjoy grinding and such, and it's possible to have higher incomes. I've never seen someone spend less than 10 or 15 hours getting plex that wasn't just really lucky (e.g. suicide ganking and getting a few ships with really nice drops). |
Paranoid Loyd
5221
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Posted - 2015.05.19 18:19:30 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote: That wasn't just really lucky (e.g. suicide ganking and getting a few ships with really nice drops). As one of those people, I can say that if you account for all the time I spend waiting for those large drops, I don't make much more than you per hour in reality.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
394
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Posted - 2015.05.19 18:20:26 -
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Also you not only have to grind the ISK for PLEX, you also need ISK to live and have fun in EvE, i.e. exploding ships ... if you like the game and can afford it, pay the sub and never worry about grinding just for being able to play. EvE is also a game, but more like a, IMO quite cheap, hobby
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
9616
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Posted - 2015.05.19 18:33:14 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Also you not only have to grind the ISK for PLEX, you also need ISK to live and have fun in EvE, i.e. exploding ships ... if you like the game and can afford it, pay the sub and never worry about grinding just for being able to play. EvE is also a game, but more like a, IMO quite cheap, hobby as i mentioned , its considerably cheaper than drinking
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Armoth Saralonde
Advanced Dynamics
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Posted - 2015.05.19 21:22:58 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Also you not only have to grind the ISK for PLEX, you also need ISK to live and have fun in EvE, i.e. exploding ships ... if you like the game and can afford it, pay the sub and never worry about grinding just for being able to play. EvE is also a game, but more like a, IMO quite cheap, hobby as i mentioned , its considerably cheaper than drinking Though to be fair, playing EVE while drinking can be a lot of fun.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
558
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Posted - 2015.05.19 21:41:03 -
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I've been playing this game since 2009 and could have afforded to pay with PLEX during much of that time however I have not. I know many PvP pilots buy PLEX to sell for the isk to PvP in so that they don't have to do like other's have pointed out and work and in game job. So there is no set time frame that it will happen.
This is a game IMHO you should be playing it for maximum fun factor. If at any point in the process of doing what you like doing you find that you have more isk than you know what to do with and would like to spend some on a PLEX by all means do it. However if you find your self exerting effort trying to "earn" the isk for a PLEX then you are by definition playing the game wrong as you are no longer play and at that point working. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
9620
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Posted - 2015.05.19 21:46:36 -
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Armoth Saralonde wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Also you not only have to grind the ISK for PLEX, you also need ISK to live and have fun in EvE, i.e. exploding ships ... if you like the game and can afford it, pay the sub and never worry about grinding just for being able to play. EvE is also a game, but more like a, IMO quite cheap, hobby as i mentioned , its considerably cheaper than drinking Though to be fair, playing EVE while drinking can be a lot of fun. wait wait wait...people play sober!?
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
631
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Posted - 2015.05.19 22:06:10 -
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Armoth Saralonde wrote:Though to be fair, playing EVE while drinking can be a lot of fun.
I have an interesting series of losses from a couple years back where I decided to challenge CONCORD to a running duel and actually got part of local to join in.
That cleared out both my entire liquor cabinet and my wallet and ship reserves, but given I still remember it years later it was also obviously pretty awesome.
I highly recommend drinking and driving internet spaceships, basically. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
9620
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Posted - 2015.05.19 22:43:14 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Armoth Saralonde wrote:Though to be fair, playing EVE while drinking can be a lot of fun. I have an interesting series of losses from a couple years back where I decided to challenge CONCORD to a running duel and actually got part of local to join in. That cleared out both my entire liquor cabinet and my wallet and ship reserves, but given I still remember it years later it was also obviously pretty awesome. I highly recommend drinking and driving internet spaceships, basically. my favourite drunken eve moment was flying an ishkur and taking on a proteus and a typhoon at the same time solo....believe it or not I came out on top but I would have never tried it sober, I still get tinglily thinking about it.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4884
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Posted - 2015.05.19 23:14:12 -
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Over 6 years here, and I have 5 paid accounts. I plan to reduce that to 4 come September.
EVE is a game I play, not a job I work at. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
5112
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Posted - 2015.05.19 23:28:41 -
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My two accounts cost me USD25 per month to keep going (12/month for the one that's on a 6 month sub, 13 for the 3 monthly). AUD33 or so (as I'm Australian).
A night at my favorite karaoke bar costs about AUD80 with the amount I tend to drink. So EVE is *cheap* entertainment. Hell, between membership fees and personal training sessions I spend more than ten times as much at the gym as I do on EVE.
I have the resources that I could PLEX both accounts (I probably have about 85-105 billion in total in-game assets), but I generally maintain the subscription, and will only purchase PLEX from the market for anything over and above my normal subscriptions (e.g. if I want to make a third account to create a spy, or I want to dual-character-train, those are funded by PLEX purchased by ISK).
It's entirely possible to join a nullsec alliance as a relative newbie and 'rat' (kill NPCs for profit) enough to fund PLEX from your second month, but it isn't fun. Ratting gets repetitive - it can be a decent diversion from time to time, but it isn't fun if you feel you need to do it. Mining is never fun.
It's also possible to trade or scam to make enough ISK during your trial to fund a PLEX.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8041
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Posted - 2015.05.20 00:57:54 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the cost of a month in eve is comparable to
1 bottle of ok wine or 8 bottles of Draught Guinness or about an hour in a pub or the amount of money i have to give the doorman at a nightclub just to let me through the door.
my cable tv cost me well over twice my sub per month and there was only about 4 hours of content a week on the damn service i actually watched.
just pay the sub. Damn Ralph, you stole my shtick. You suck.
On topic;
OP, let me put this another way...
you have PROBABLY spent more money on dumber things, for dumber reasons, with less potential payout, and involving far more frustration and/or consequences... compared to what you gain by paying for and playing EVE.
Also, while your goal to "play for free" is a good one, I would not recommend it. It quickly becomes a required chore that you have to do IN ADDITION to funding your "fun gameplay."
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
634
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Posted - 2015.05.20 01:21:44 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Also, while your goal to "play for free" is a good one, I would not recommend it. It quickly becomes a required chore that you have to do IN ADDITION to funding your "fun gameplay."
In fairness, being ABLE to play for free is a good goal. I think what most of us are saying is just that even when we hit that point we tend to look at the cost/benefit and make a conscious decision not to. Because cost/benefit analysis is like 99% of what Eve is, as far as game mechanics, and if you're at that point income-wise you're probably decent at it. |
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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
346
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Posted - 2015.05.20 01:54:20 -
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If you want to play World of Warcraft, you have to pay a subscription
Against all imperialism
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Ralph King-Griffin
Viziam Amarr Empire
9620
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Posted - 2015.05.20 02:12:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the cost of a month in eve is comparable to
1 bottle of ok wine or 8 bottles of Draught Guinness or about an hour in a pub or the amount of money i have to give the doorman at a nightclub just to let me through the door.
my cable tv cost me well over twice my sub per month and there was only about 4 hours of content a week on the damn service i actually watched.
just pay the sub. Damn Ralph, you stole my shtick. You suck. i happen to know you stole it from jpoll who.....wait for it....... stole it from me in the first place so :p
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8042
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Posted - 2015.05.20 02:20:32 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the cost of a month in eve is comparable to
1 bottle of ok wine or 8 bottles of Draught Guinness or about an hour in a pub or the amount of money i have to give the doorman at a nightclub just to let me through the door.
my cable tv cost me well over twice my sub per month and there was only about 4 hours of content a week on the damn service i actually watched.
just pay the sub. Damn Ralph, you stole my shtick. You suck. i happen to know you stole it from jpoll who.....wait for it....... stole it from me in the first place so :p Lies and rumors.
(in all seriousness, I didn't. I guess I just reinvented the wheel?)
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Ralph King-Griffin
Viziam Amarr Empire
9621
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Posted - 2015.05.20 09:05:07 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the cost of a month in eve is comparable to
1 bottle of ok wine or 8 bottles of Draught Guinness or about an hour in a pub or the amount of money i have to give the doorman at a nightclub just to let me through the door.
my cable tv cost me well over twice my sub per month and there was only about 4 hours of content a week on the damn service i actually watched.
just pay the sub. Damn Ralph, you stole my shtick. You suck. i happen to know you stole it from jpoll who.....wait for it....... stole it from me in the first place so :p Lies and rumors. (in all seriousness, I didn't. I guess I just reinvented the wheel?)
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
620
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Posted - 2015.05.20 10:19:14 -
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you will have much more fun in the game if you dont focus on playing for free
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3078
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Posted - 2015.05.20 11:17:15 -
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The word "free" is being abused heavily in this topic.
Freedom is Slavery
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
192
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Posted - 2015.05.20 11:46:48 -
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Dependant on your available 'real life' cash income I recommend playing EVE with 12 month subscriptions even if you have two or three accounts. It is then a very nominal sum compared to the monetary cost of other activities such as smoking, drinking alcohol, taking hard drugs etc.
Regarding getting ISK in-game to buy PLEX unless you are doing activities which generate inflationary amounts of ISK such as null-sec complexes or high-sec incursions then playing EVE turns into a second job.
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Velarra
374
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Posted - 2015.05.21 17:24:26 -
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You really do, want to pay RL $ for Eve.
Trying to pay for Eve via in-game currency earning methods and plex, will seriously, negatively impact your *feelings* about and over all enjoyment of the game. Particularly if you are new, and simultaneously learning how to play in the first place. Eve is not, thankfully, designed, from the ground up to permit or even encourage "free-to-play" game play. It's designed intentionally to be a harsh, cruel and cold place - particularly for the uninitiated.
The option of course IS there, if you have vast resources in-game, know what you're doing in general and have nothing left to spend vast isk reserves on. Furthermore, picking up a subscription + buddy plan/invite genre of starting scenario is great, particularly if you additionally pick up a couple plex directly from CCP for extra in game currency in your early career. The better part of a billion isk will last a new player a very long time as long as you're not irresponsible with it. Primarily as new player costs (ships, skills, modules etc.) are very low, much like new player/character ability to earn isk is rather low (compared to plex prices).
To repeat myself.. - Eve was (thankfully) never designed to support new player - characters who're learning to play, while earning enough isk to play via monthly plex earnings. As a result, don't do it. It will only end in extreme misery and a possible post to the Eve-O General Discussion subforum about how you loathe the game, how CCP doesn't understand your needs and wants... among other assorted tears. Trolls will chime in with 'WoW is ---> that way" and you'll either adapt or let your subscription lapse.
In closure, despite all the good reasons to loathe CCP as a whole, its Devs, its Management, and the latter particularly in the past, Eve is still very definitely worth paying RL$ for. It's designed for it. Its community is incredible. Yet Fight the design, try to play for free, while stumbling up the cliche Eve learning curve? It'll all be truly awful.
Sub, buy plex from ccp and convert some to in-game currency to support your early career economic needs ingame, find a way to RL cover your gaming hobby. It'll be great :)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9639
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Posted - 2015.05.21 18:06:25 -
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Velarra wrote: To repeat myself.. - Eve was (thankfully) never designed to support new player - characters who're learning to play, while earning enough isk to play via monthly plex earnings. As a result, don't do it. It will only end in extreme misery and a possible post to the Eve-O General Discussion subforum about how you loathe the game, how CCP doesn't understand your needs and wants... among other assorted tears. Trolls will chime in with 'WoW is ---> that way" and you'll either adapt or let your subscription lapse.
Confirming this as someone who derives much pleasure from poking fun in those threads.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
5113
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Posted - 2015.05.22 06:30:22 -
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I will restate that scamming your way to a PLEX during a trial is definitely possible, but will not be fun.
Doing things like deliberately getting blown up in a cheap battlecruiser, then going to a mission hub and begging in local "help, some $#@!wit gankers just killed me, can anyone help?" and linking the lossmail will net you reasonable returns, probably enough to buy a PLEX after a couple days of it.
Begging scams aren't the only option either - other methods pay better but are less reliable.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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