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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:31:00 -
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Quick question did you ask for a quote with this charc?
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Captain Hudson
The Power of Ebay
Says the bob puppet, please go troll elsewhere
Does your main know that you're out making trouble?
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Kaell Meynn
Divergence
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:39:00 -
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I don't think anyone is saying MC should take a contract against BoB, they're just pointing out that MC is not a neutral independant mercanary group. They are a political entity that is NAPed with BoB. Who happen to be willing to fight non-NAPed entities for ISK.
But this isn't very different from any other alliance in the game that will fight non-NAPed entities for personal gain. Just most gain people fight for is not in the form of raw ISK. Thus the 'M' in 'MC' doens't carry much weight. Or 75% of alliances in Eve could be called 'mercanries'.
I believe this was OPs point, judging from his thread title "MC are not true mercenaries".
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MC took a contract on BOB, that would mean they loose their 4 stations (intangible value associated with that). Probably in excess of 150-200 billion.
Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
QFT.
Wish MC would admit to this instead of using the same old "we need a plan"-excuse ____________
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:40:00 -
[65]
Sel can we shoot BoB?
Pleeeeeeeeze?
DBP's too pretty to live.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:44:00 -
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I'm sorry but from what I've seen and experienced BoB would steamrole MC. MC just don't have the numbers to play, they have everything else except the numbers.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MC took a contract on BOB, that would mean they loose their 4 stations (intangible value associated with that). Probably in excess of 150-200 billion.
Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
QFT.
Wish MC would admit to this instead of using the same old "we need a plan"-excuse
They need to cover their ends publicly and they countinue to do so even when we point facts at them, it's not stupid on their accord. To be honest, it's a white lie.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:46:00 -
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Why would we shoot our mains guys? That's just stupid
Seriously though, we aren't obliged to take ANY contract at all, the leadership of the MC are very good at determining what is going to be worth doing. If you just contact us and say (from an alt or main really) 'Hi, I want you to attack BOB (which is pretty much always just a LOL J00 ARENT NYOOTRAL LOL deal anyway) ISK is no object', it doesn't really sound too convincing.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn I don't think anyone is saying MC should take a contract against BoB, they're just pointing out that MC is not a neutral independant mercanary group. They are a political entity that is NAPed with BoB. Who happen to be willing to fight non-NAPed entities for ISK.
We're also +5 with the alliance they are trying to wipe from EVE, atm. We make positive standing arrangements with other entities, particularly those who NBSI (read: BoB and ASCN) whom we have no interest in pewpewing (read: aren't getting paid to pewpew).
Oh, I have an idea! *gets out megaphone* "Attention EVE! Anyone with positive standings to anyone else, particularly your neighbors, can never be a neutral entity. Yes, ISS, this means you. How dare you try to live peacefully with those you do not wish to fight and who like to use the standings mechanic to decide who is a target and who is not?! For shame!"
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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SaintVash
Gallente 0wnage
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:07:00 -
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hm.. when i was in MC i coulda swarn Seleene said, "we'd go after bob if the price was right"... direct quote.. guess BL is right.. they're scared to lose there Outposts.. yarr and all that
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Heinky
Amarr BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:17:00 -
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why would mc wanna atteck bob when their about to help them with the ascn fight.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:24:00 -
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First MC put themselves in dependent position. Now they are looking for excuses for not doing something that will hurt them. I think that everyone is ok with current situation. Just don`t claim that you are true mercenary outfit because you are not. You are just another alliance, who holds some territory and afraid to lose it.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Heinky why would mc wanna atteck bob when their about to help them with the ascn fight.
And we would need help becasue ........
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten I'm sorry but from what I've seen and experienced BoB would steamrole MC. MC just don't have the numbers to play, they have everything else except the numbers.
Wouldnt any merc corp be an asset to ASCN as its not the numbers they need it seems to be additional FC's. As BoB have proven on numerous occaisions its not the numbers you field its the tactics that win the battle. So whoever the merc FC's are say Selenne or KiaEddz (dont know who there FCs are) wouldnt that change the tide of the war? Didnt I see a thread awhile ago where there was an MC dude (think it was eyeshadow) was offering independent FC services?
I am assuming that this thread was started by an ASCN alt (sorry no flame intended).
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Spiderweb
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug First MC put themselves in dependent position. Now they are looking for excuses for not doing something that will hurt them. I think that everyone is ok with current situation. Just don`t claim that you are true mercenary outfit because you are not. You are just another alliance, who holds some territory and afraid to lose it.
You just dont get it do you?
What you call "territory" is an expensive piece of asset. When a mercenary corp takes a contract they have to weigh risk for reward. Now think about it.
If they gonna fight BoB the reward must be pretty freakin big since they would expect to lose multiple expensive ships (risk). However in this specific case, the risk is losing not just the ships but 1-4 outposts as well. Thats part of the risk.
Do you understand how huge the "reward" must be to equate with that risk ? it should be HUGE, biggest payout in history of EVE pretty much (ships + pos + outposts). Does ANYONE honestly believes that the OP offered a reward sufficient enough to counter that risk ? Or even better, that he actually can offer it ? exactly .. I have no doubt in my mind that If the reward was sufficient enough, MC would engage BoB. At the very least for publicity and fun.
As for why MC chose that particular area of space for their home knowing that "problem", thats another story. -----------------------------------------------
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Raivotar
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:52:00 -
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ALT...next in line , thx.
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Leosian
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:53:00 -
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For one thing, according to our contract FAQ's:
WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO AN OFFER.
Just because we are mercs don't mean we have to accept every contract offered to us.
Besides, BoB isn't entering our space, ASCN and their hired guns are. I'd rather blast them into oblivion.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:54:00 -
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Tell me whats the difference between mc and any alliance that control conquerable stations ?
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente Blessed Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Tell me whats the difference between mc and any alliance that control conquerable stations ?
Uhm.... well... None?
Once you got stations, its all about politics.
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Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Leosian For one thing, according to our contract FAQ's:
WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO AN OFFER.
Just because we are mercs don't mean we have to accept every contract offered to us.
Besides, BoB isn't entering our space, ASCN and their hired guns are. I'd rather blast them into oblivion.
Yep plus we do not deal with alts and quite clearly the OP is either an alt of someone we have annoyed or is just trying to cause trouble.
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Svetlanna
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:07:00 -
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Answer to the original post:
How can you expect the puppet to turn agaisnt it's puppet master?
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:11:00 -
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I love threads like these. They just ooze of intelligence.
Cheers, Lowa
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:12:00 -
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Hire us to shoot BoB, please please please
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Halafian on 13/11/2006 15:21:16 What's the point of the 'no contracts from alts' rule? Why does a merc care where the money comes from?
edit: I don't see anything about "no alts" in the faq on the MC website advertising their services.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Leosian For one thing, according to our contract FAQ's:
WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO AN OFFER.
Just because we are mercs don't mean we have to accept every contract offered to us.
Besides, BoB isn't entering our space, ASCN and their hired guns are. I'd rather blast them into oblivion.
Yep plus we do not deal with alts and quite clearly the OP is either an alt of someone we have annoyed or is just trying to cause trouble.
Post whatever excuses you want - bottom line is you don't want to risk you assets. Fair enough, I don't think anyone blaim you. However stop digging the hole, you're already in, deeper. I don't expect you to admit to anything, just try to look objectively on things and you might realise how stupid you guys look when you keep shouting the same bad excuses. ____________
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:18:00 -
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Offer MC a plan. Thats what they are asking for.
Gank squads dont hurt bob, Bob will admit this. So why would MC take a contract out on their masters for contract that has little to gain.
What is the most boring part of EVE. POS warfare.
Give them a plan. Slowly eliminate each and everone of Bob's POS in Delve. Give them 1 amount per small pos destroyed, 1 for large and so on. Give them more if they take out all the Sov. Pos in a system. Attacking station POS would probably be more expensive, see what it costs. This contract would not be about gaining stations, it would be for the systematic elimination of a Bob resource, its POS farms in Delve.
The main problem is, that for MC to function to the high level they are used to in this game, they need access to good 0.0 systems. They made a deal with bob and now have to live with the fact that if they attack BOB, they risk the loss of those stations.
Offer them a situation where at the end of the contract they may have the entire region of Period Basis as theirs at the end. Not likely but its a starting point.
But yeah, contact MC with your main, give them a plan, ask for a price. If they then decide not to take it, come back and let us know what your plan was and how much you offered with your main pls. If you want to go after MC reputation at least have the decency to do it with your main.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
Quote: I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
Define... "unlimited". Because, TBH, I'd be quite interested in what that means. Seriously. Are we talking... 50 billion? 500? I have a seriously good imagination and the term 'unlimited' brings a hell of a lot of zeros to mind... -
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 13/11/2006 15:25:43 Just for note. An earlier post said we wouldnt take a contract vs Goons.
KIA would NOT take a contract on Goons unless the money was so big that we'd never need isk again (so we are talking 100s of billions). We have a real relationship with them, one which is mutually beneficial. And as the future of Eve develops, this relationship is key to KIA staying ahead of the game. We understand that and we know it makes sense.
That said we would work directly for any of the Goons enenmies, and apart from them there is no one we wouldnt kill for isk, or other payment methods.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:25:00 -
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i contacted MC about a bob contract a few months back and they TOTALLY priced themselves out of the job..
2mill was shocking.... robbers. u think im Mr isk?.
d solo.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
Quote: I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
Thats sorted that out then.
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