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Wuubaa
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Wuubaa on 13/11/2006 18:00:44 "Unlimited funds" ehhh guess that comes from your cap recharger 2 BPO's....
MC donÆt take contracts from alts. IÆm sure theyÆll also flatly refuse to take contracts from some1 who has done nothing but lie and spout rubbish for his entire eve career.
I mean in all honesty whatÆs the likelihood of them actually seeing any of these unlimited funds.
And with your past track record you have no room what so ever to make any claim about what any1 says as being lies or distorted truths.
Ill tell you what aneu just go away. Come back when youÆve stopped lying, hiding behind random troll alts, and learnt the difference between reality and fitments of your imagination, then and only then may anything you say be taken even vaguely seriously.
I await a mail from the mods about how I made your buuhuu and they need to tell me off.
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:01:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are? ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:03:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Kaiu
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken if someone contacts sel with a main, shows a serious plan of action and goal, (even if thats just "gank them and make them hurt", and most importantly; show us the isk.
You can have everyone of your members keep repeating this on the forums...
Or, you can actually own up to NOT being even remotely courteous in replying to ppl who attempt to contact you...
Out of interest when was this how many people did he contact? Remember Eve is a game people do have real lives as strange as that sounds.
Alot of people who want prices on contracts come into Frick's public channel. I never saw anyone? If someone does and i'm online I will be more than willing to speak to them and get an answer as soon as possible.
I can't speak for him 100% but i know for a fact he followed your Websites guide for a quote on hiring your services and also emailed Seleene and others ingame on many occasions with no response what so ever ____________________ MOGarmy
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:13:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
Leo McGarry.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:18:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Raste
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
Leo McGarry.
No no thats for recruitment
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:20:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
People, who have no stong bounds with any alliance. Ready to strike without "give us plan" or "we are afraid of losing station" at their client will.
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:21:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
People, who have no stong bounds with any alliance. Ready to strike without "give us plan" or "we are afraid of losing station" at their client will.
Name names. ----------------------------------------
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Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:22:00 -
[158]
Just fantastic:
I can see Seleene's inbox now.
Alt hi i pay you to fight bob name youre price i have unlimited isk but i have other merc who will fight for 100m per week convo me now i am going to log ps. do you have paypal account? i can pay in cash
The only fitting response is: Convo Leo McGarry to join Contraband.
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:23:00 -
[159]
seleene has betrayed our trust!
death to the MC!
join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis. |
Ynno
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:30:00 -
[160]
"True mercenary"? Being a mercenary just means you accept money to fight, it doesn't mean you'll fight anyone for money to the exclusion of all other considerations. Do you think most mercenaries in real life will kill their own families or friends for money? Are they true mercenaries? Do MC accept money in exchange for fighting alliances and corps? Yes. Therefore MC are true mercenaries. I'm not saying MC won't accept contracts against BoB (I have no idea whether they would or not), but choosing not to fight certain entities doesn't make you a "fake" mercenary.
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Mi Lai
Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:32:00 -
[161]
Why is it of so much concern to others how MC is doing business?
IRL, the way I conducted my business was purely my own decision. It was totally up to myself to decide wether or not I found a job/contract in my business interest or not.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:35:00 -
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If it's true then it IS a bit sad.
Even though I understand MC.
Real mercenaries fight long distance from home.
Killing BOB would get a war in their backyard.
Let's just say MC are different than the others Mercenaries.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:43:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
People, who have no stong bounds with any alliance. Ready to strike without "give us plan" or "we are afraid of losing station" at their client will.
Name names.
MC was one.
They aren't anymore.
They are *just* a quite mobile force that you can engage to make your dirty stuff if your enemies are the MC's enemies.
We (aAa) could do this - did this?
*/me hands the DBP paycheck with the small note - Please bbq AXE*
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:44:00 -
[164]
i think the proper line of thought here would be :
how much money/crap would it take to get MC To attack BoB. Because A.) Would be a very expensive and long campaign. B.) Risk has to be compensated heavily by reward. C.) What would MC stand to lose/gain from a contract vs BOB?
Aside from the general rumors of MC and BOB are sleeping together, or MC have alts in BOB and vice versa. The above is pretty much why it wont happen unless you offer MC and ungodly amount of resources. That's my general consensus about the OP's voiced opinion.
Just because they turn you down doesn't mean they arent mercs. It just means you didnt wet their appetite enough -_-. ----------------------------------------------- <3 conspiracy theories. Originally by: Omeega We (aAa) could do this - did this? */me hands the DBP paycheck with the small note - Please bbq AXE*
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:55:00 -
[165]
OMG
Ok seriously some idiots here. I have already seen most of the answers to all the questions that have been asked but still people seem to be just blind to things so I will address them again as clearly as is possible.
First off:
MERCENARIES BY DEFINITION = NOT BLOODY NICE PEOPLE
WE KILL FOR ISK, ISK, ISK.
We are not some charity where if you come to us with a contract and we jump right on it. WHY WOULD WE?
So lets look at the bob contract, the holy grail.
Yes if we were based on the other side of the galaxy, or weren't based at all in 0.0 a contract on bob would be a lot easier and cheaper, we would be more open to different goals and ideas.But we are not. No one denies this, its not some tin hat stupidity, some uber secret that only you know about and feel the need to repeat it everytime.
We have a deal with bob for our space, just as we make a deal with every other group that approach us for a contract, we do this, you pay us for it, no need to be secret best buddys and sleep with each other afterwards.
Back on track, a contract on bob:
Money: A lot... god **** a big freaking pile of it. MC are not cheap and to take a contract on bob would be no walk in the park. Why? Yes because of the outposts, you sir are a genius!
If you want to us to take on bob the fee has to cover our costs, cover the outposts, cover the time and logistics of relocating, and make us filthy rich. WE WILL DO THAT, if you bring the money.
But with bob yes its true theres a second catch.
The Plan.
With normal contracts we are fairly open, if you just want us to disrupt an area thats fine, take an outpost sure, go mine out jita awesome. With bob as I have said above the consequences are so huge there is no **** way we will go through it all just to take a 2 week contract roaming delve. Its that simple, we are not going to put everything we have built on the line, even if it is all covered in isk terms for something that will accomplish nothing. Its not worth it.
When we say we want a plan we mean a full out, everything covered plan for the destruction of bob. Thats basically it. Unless you come to the table and say heres what you need to do meanwhile us, these guys, those guys, and their mothers, will also come and take over this, then we are not interested.
If you want us to take on bob, you need isk, you need to show us that what we will be doing will be worth it for us and we need to be convinced that it will go ahead.
Otherwise = why should we.
Perfectly blunt, we fight for pay, we have a **** good time doing it and are willing to fight anyone but we are not going to throw away everything unless its worth it and theres a chance of success.
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Minnow maught
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Minnow maught on 13/11/2006 18:59:55 What I don't understand is why BOB don't attack MC? forget the other way around.
MC have some nice shinny outposts that BOB could add to their collection, MC have openly admitted that for the right price and with the right plan they would do it ... If MC thinks it's the right plan then it would probably be very effective against BOB. Any other alliance that knew they had a potential time bomb sat on their back door would take action, WHY doesn't BOB think that?
Most alliances want to gain something out of a relationship. MC gain their mining systems, what do BOB get from the relationship?
EDit .... ok Loxy just answered 50% of that
LOL ... I need to take off this darn tinfoil hat.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:03:00 -
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So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
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zincol
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:11:00 -
[168]
o/
me waves to everybody - hi,i just wanted to be in a kiaeddz,smackfest,BoB thread with MC topping.
DPB is the EvE Win Button.
Have fun.
PS - i hired bob agaiest ascn and mc agaiest iac,my unlimited funds ran out.
Seleene wouldnt accept any more manly love
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
MC have a deal with bob for the space we use. Thats obvious, the deal is between us and is non of your concern. There is nothing wrong with us having such a deal, that is what we do, make deals to take contracts to kill people to make money. Theres no regulating body for the profession that says the only thing we are allowed to do is take contracts.
Why do bob not take our outposts? Maybe because they don't want to? Maybe because they just like us? Yes seriously I said that.
If they decide one day to take our outposts thats their decision, but they know and have said in the past that the MC would give them a hell of a fight for them and we would do our best to, again putting this bluntly, **** them the hell up for it .
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:15:00 -
[170]
Give all your billions to me, I'll attack BoB for you
Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:16:00 -
[171]
Originally by: DHB WildCat So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
For the effort of taking those 4 stations, what would we gain? A part of our own space that we dealt away?
Hardly seems worth it, no?
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hantwo
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: zincol o/
me waves to everybody - hi,i just wanted to be in a kiaeddz,smackfest,BoB thread with MC topping.
DPB is the EvE Win Button.
Have fun.
PS - i hired bob agaiest ascn and mc agaiest iac,my unlimited funds ran out.
Seleene wouldnt accept any more manly love
thats a lie! we all know the IAC contract was bull
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:19:00 -
[173]
Originally by: zincol o/
me waves to everybody - hi,i just wanted to be in a kiaeddz,smackfest,BoB thread with MC topping.
DPB is the EvE Win Button.
Have fun.
PS - i hired bob agaiest ascn and mc agaiest iac,my unlimited funds ran out.
Seleene wouldnt accept any more manly love
So your the bastard that didn't pay up
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:24:00 -
[174]
Originally by: LoxyRider
Originally by: DHB WildCat So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
MC have a deal with bob for the space we use. Thats obvious, the deal is between us and is non of your concern. There is nothing wrong with us having such a deal, that is what we do, make deals to take contracts to kill people to make money. Theres no regulating body for the profession that says the only thing we are allowed to do is take contracts.
Why do bob not take our outposts? Maybe because they don't want to? Maybe because they just like us? Yes seriously I said that.
If they decide one day to take our outposts thats their decision, but they know and have said in the past that the MC would give them a hell of a fight for them and we would do our best to, again putting this bluntly, **** them the hell up for it .
Forget it. He's just spouting off wellknown facts facts to make him self look good.
Had we made a deal with D2, or some other allience the same junk would spew forth from the tinfoil hat squad again and again. Pointing out the obvious, and then using that to imply that we are so and so's lap dog's.
Don't bother argueing with them, there so intertwined with there consperisy theroys that no amount of common sence will take a hold of them.
Once you figure that out, its best to point your virtual finger in thier faces and laugh at them. I've been doing it the whole thread and have been having a ball.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:31:00 -
[175]
Ok, enough of my grocery-store inspired shenanigans, though I remind the community that this particular round of attacks on the MC was spurred by an alt post meant to do exactly that. I would think that, were the offer legit, Sel would have at least told us about it. As has been stated "LAWL I HAV ISKS PLZ SHO0T bOB ktHX," or something of a similar level of intellectual and linguistic rigor would have been tossed out and probably not even read.
Now, what are we really doing here, aside from shooting off at the mouth? What is the debate, and what is at stake? In order to have a constructive dialogue (yea, I know, ****ing in the wind and all) you need to have a clear idea of what is even being argued by both sides.
First, this post was made in the out-of-character forums, yet most of the discussion is rather in-character. Let me explain. We, the Mercenary Coalition, are ROLEPLAYERS. That's right, kids, we're right up there with CVA, UK, and Morsus Mihi ( Yes, I know.). We pretend to be spaceship-flying mercenaries in an online computer game. We don't kill people for money in real life (afaik ). So let's decide where to discuss this. Is this an in-character or out-of-character discussion, because there is a giant difference there. Since the OP was made in this forum, let's assume it's OOC.
Alright, the discussion is now OOC. That means game mechanics are fair territory. In order to remain relevant as a military entity in EVE, the Mercenary Coalition cannot race Chribba for the Veldspar in the Amarr Throne Worlds forever. We need 0.0 access, outposts for various construction, mining, research and...Sharky tasks, and reasonable safety. The game mechanics demand this if we are to remain economically and industrially viable in the capital age of EVE. We are not content to sit around ganking targets in Empire all day long (thoug from time to time it is rather fun). We want to be able to take on large groups and, as someone put it, "punch well above [our] weight class."
What are the options of an entity looking for 0.0 access? First, there is always joining a territorial alliance. Or, a group such as ourselves could strike out on our own, beat someone senseless and claim space, thus becoming a territorial alliance ourselves with all the risks and politics that entails (thus removing any hint of neutrality). Finally, such an entity may strike a reasonable economic deal with a power that controls a great deal of 0.0 space, and in exchange for payment, the mercenary entity may exist in a small portion of that space and do what they wish. From an RP mercenary's point of view, the last option really seems the most appealing, especially considering that there are no other options available except getting left behind, which we flatly refuse to do. Say what you like about our relationship with BoB. I believe that we would take a contract against them for the right price, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters to me.
The only reason that responding to this thread is at all an issue, imho, is that our detractors will take any opportunity they can to snipe at us, and to us, more than most other alliances, public image is everything. I would hate for a newer player in the EVE political spectrum to listen to the pure vitriol that gets heaped at us on these forums and think for a moment that it is anywhere near the truth of the matter.
Take your flaming, your trolling, and your alts somewhere else. For people interested in who we really are, talk to our former clients (those who were not anonymous) or even many of our targets, and they will tell you that we are professional, first and foremost, and that when we attack, it is almost never personal, but simply business.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Minnow maught
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: LoxyRider
MC have a deal with bob for the space we use. Thats obvious, the deal is between us and is non of your concern.
Thats why I doubt very much that you would realistically receive a contract against BoB. Any potential customer will be asking themselves :
Does the deal mean shopping me in and turning on me after I have revealled my master plan?
Now this isn't meant as tinfoilhattery (new word?). I think MC are well respected and trustworthy but when they would potentially lay so much on the line, be fighting 'friends' and there is the backdrop of an unknown agreement between the potentially hired mercs and the target then I don't think we will ever see this epic potential battle .... To many risks / unknowns for the client.
It's a pity because if the plan and the resources brought to MC's disposal were enough to tempt them then this would be awesome to behold.
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Zatire
Raven Talons
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:11:00 -
[177]
So when can we get some proof on this unlimted wallet?
Highly amusing thread.
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Proconsul Para
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:15:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Omeega could anyone quote what i said?
Originally by: Omeega Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
There you go, mate. Dosvedania.
Originally by: thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:15:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Omeega
MC was one.
They aren't anymore.
They are *just* a quite mobile force that you can engage to make your dirty stuff if your enemies are the MC's enemies.
That doesn't make any sense. Just look at our last several contracts. Were IAC our enemies? Were NMTZ our enemies? Were FZN, Veto and the Establishment our enemies? The answer in every case is no. Our loyalties are exactly the same as they were a year ago - to ourselves and to ISK.
Quote:
We (aAa) could do this - did this?
I respect aAa's abilities and know you're good fighters. However, 'could do' is worth nothing. You have no idea whether you actually can do something until you do it.
Ok. my choice of using the word "Enemy" was not very inteligent from me. I should have said "be sure that your enemies are not MC's friends".
My 'could do' is worth something.
I might be wrong but what i see is realy a mobile hardcore pvp force who can't lose their lands because no one wants to fight bob, yet.
And please don't misunderstand me. I have lots of friends and therefore lots of respect for the MC.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:19:00 -
[180]
pwned :/
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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