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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:53:00 -
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Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB. I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
I was under the assumption that real mercenaries work for the highest bidder, i thought real mercenaries feared no one and stayed well out of the political arena.
Obviously I was wrong.
So MC, can you give a list of all the corps and alliances you wont take contracts out on please to save everyone some time?
I think i'll give my billions to KIA, I know they are not afraid of BOB.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:55:00 -
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Hehe,
Perhaps you should check out how successful KIA were last time against us before wasting your money.
Let's just say that they never quite finished their contract.
Cheers, dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Amon ''Chakai on 13/11/2006 10:57:42
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB. I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
I was under the assumption that real mercenaries work for the highest bidder, i thought real mercenaries feared no one and stayed well out of the political arena.
Obviously I was wrong.
So MC, can you give a list of all the corps and alliances you wont take contracts out on please to save everyone some time?
I think i'll give my billions to KIA, I know they are not afraid of BOB.
heh, how much did you offer.. and do you actually have that much cash to start with.. and who did you contact about it so we'll know actually who's the one who should answer you if a reply comes.
Anyways those things intrest me, dunno if this is intresting anyone else but i'm at school and bored atm.
Edited additio:
Tjooh but Merc's should try if they where actually offered cash.. because otherwise they aren't mercs as mercs fight when their paid.. not if they can win or loose just the price changes according to "risks" but anyways you can't die in eve. ??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??==?? If eve even makes close up to 60-70k+ dollars per day as budget.. they could throw about 140k-300k easily to hardware upgrade once per year.
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Hehe,
Perhaps you should check out how successful KIA were last time against us before wasting your money.
Let's just say that they never quite finished their contract.
Cheers, dbp
How would I be wasting my money on KIA? They are as good as it gets. If someone takes out a contract for only a week then of course the results wont be jaw dropping.
I don't think you should knock them for it, at least they are not afraid to take such a contract, gotta respect that right?
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Ilmonstre
Minmatar TYRANTS
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:02:00 -
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this isnt really annything new. we already knew this but it never hurts to point it out again.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Hehe,
Perhaps you should check out how successful KIA were last time against us before wasting your money.
Let's just say that they never quite finished their contract.
Cheers, dbp
u dont want to compare kia to mc, do u?
MC wrote in e-o that they are willing to have a contract against bob, but with 4 outpost in bob region i wouldnt bet a isk on that tbh.
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
heh, how much did you offer.. and do you actually have that much cash to start with..
That's private, but lets just say I have more than enough to hire any merc to fight whoever I want for at least 6 months.
So I want bob dead, and MC was the first choice because of thier strategic position in bob space.
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Karmic
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:08:00 -
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Oh really. Here is the checklist for talking to the MC about any contract- - goto www.mercenarycoalition.com and fill in the contract contact form - use your main we don't deal with alts - have a plan or an idea of a plan don't come to us expecting miracles, miracles cost more than a normal contract - please remember we have many contracts being offered to us so if we say we are busy its the truth - we will take a contract on BoB but please remember all the above and have a very large wallet, and expect to pay alot upfront - anything else Seleene feels is pertinant - - - - - - - - - -
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Chrony
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Chrony on 13/11/2006 11:10:14 Im very sure that MC would accept a contract against us for the right price, and I would probably love to fight them.
The problem is that you have to present them a plan. YES you actually have to think about what you want them to do and not just tell them to shoot someone. Considering that such a contract would put their outposts in Period Basis in danger it would have to be a good plan too.
PS: BUT I wouldnt accept a contract from an alt character either.
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MivMining
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: MivMining on 13/11/2006 11:11:52 double post grrr
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: DB Preacher Hehe,
Perhaps you should check out how successful KIA were last time against us before wasting your money.
Let's just say that they never quite finished their contract.
Cheers, dbp
How would I be wasting my money on KIA? They are as good as it gets. If someone takes out a contract for only a week then of course the results wont be jaw dropping.
I don't think you should knock them for it, at least they are not afraid to take such a contract, gotta respect that right?
Read my post.
Read it again.
Read it once more.
The answer to your question of "How would I be wasting my money on KIA?" is right there.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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MivMining
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Amon 'Chakai
heh, how much did you offer.. and do you actually have that much cash to start with..
That's private, but lets just say I have more than enough to hire any merc to fight whoever I want for at least 6 months.
So I want bob dead, and MC was the first choice because of thier strategic position in bob space.
Apparently you dont! lol
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:16:00 -
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I see Anue created a new alt.
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Orc A
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:17:00 -
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I think that as long as you dont make an offer to them that includes the price of 4 outposts, you are wasting your time.
Yea, true mercs work for the highest bidder, but it doesnt mean they dont have their financial agenda t worry about.
Originally by: End Yourself
hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A I think that as long as you dont make an offer to them that includes the price of 4 outposts, you are wasting your time.
I have offered again via thier website a very reasonble contract which should not be a problem for them.
Originally by: Blacklight I see Anue created a new alt.
I see BOB trolling on the forums and getting away with it as usual. If you have nothing positive to add then please go away. How BOB get forum moderation immunity is beyond me.
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Klaryssa
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Karmic Oh really. Here is the checklist for talking to the MC about any contract- - goto www.mercenarycoalition.com and fill in the contract contact form - use your main we don't deal with alts - have a plan or an idea of a plan don't come to us expecting miracles, miracles cost more than a normal contract - please remember we have many contracts being offered to us so if we say we are busy its the truth - we will take a contract on BoB but please remember all the above and have a very large wallet, and expect to pay alot upfront - anything else Seleene feels is pertinant
I'm going to go out a limb here, and guess that you had trouble with the parts in bold?
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EvilNate
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:28:00 -
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Hire outbreak.
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB. I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
I was under the assumption that real mercenaries work for the highest bidder, i thought real mercenaries feared no one and stayed well out of the political arena.
Obviously I was wrong.
So MC, can you give a list of all the corps and alliances you wont take contracts out on please to save everyone some time?
I think i'll give my billions to KIA, I know they are not afraid of BOB.
They are too closely affiliated to BoB no matter what they say, even if they did take the contract I doubt you could trust them, they have too much to lose.
Id try KIA, dont know any other mercs but Im sure they'll post here to tout for business.
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:30:00 -
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Hi there!
Thank for your interest in hiring the MC. A few points to consider:
1) We don't deal with alts. Use your main. 2) We have many contract offers every week. 3) The MC has never been hired for 6 months. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but the price tag for our services for that length of time would be quite extreme. 4) We require a plan. "Kill BoB" is not a plan.
On a personal note, KIA is a very good merc corp, whom i have fought alongside. I'm sure you'll get your money's worth should they accept a contract offer from yourself.
Max
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: King Fury
They are too closely affiliated to BoB no matter what they say, even if they did take the contract I doubt you could trust them, they have too much to lose.
Id try KIA, dont know any other mercs but Im sure they'll post here to tout for business.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: EvilNate Hire outbreak.
Waste of ISK - both sides would enjoy it too much (much like hiring the MC simply to "shoot BOB").
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Zak Kingsman
A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A I think that as long as you dont make an offer to them that includes the price of 4 outposts, you are wasting your time.
Yea, true mercs work for the highest bidder, but it doesnt mean they dont have their financial agenda t worry about.
4 outposts would probably be the low end of the bid. If I were MC to take out a contract on bob would require 4 outposts, and prospects for relocation. If not you can take the BPO seller's price and ask for the cost of the total expected financial output one year of living in their current location would provide.
And thats just to start, thats not even going to cover actual war losses. so 4 outposts is what 100-150 billion, a year's worth of 0.0 income - 500 billion to a trillion isk, and then the cost of the contract on top of that.
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: King Fury
They are too closely affiliated to BoB no matter what they say, even if they did take the contract I doubt you could trust them, they have too much to lose.
Id try KIA, dont know any other mercs but Im sure they'll post here to tout for business.
Mhm ... sure. You are too young to understand. But please go ahead.
Typical BoB posting for the sake of posting and making no real sense
Please comeback whe you have something constructive to add.
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Tadis
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: EvilNate Hire outbreak.
oo we're merc's now?!
I knew Marko was getting his isk from somewhere o0 ___________________________________
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:37:00 -
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I do belive this has been discussed before. Linky to MC vs BOB thread
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Xeliya
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:38:00 -
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TBH if I were MC and you had a good plan I would be looking for a minimum of 500bill for week 1 and probably 100bill per week after and I highly doubt anyone who could put that kind of isk up would do it. 1 week just isn't enough to hurt bob. ----------
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Ugluuk
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:38:00 -
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Nothing new there..
Lets look at facts:
BOB VS MC
2 organised alliances that got it all covered at most parts of Eve.. They got enough pilots to inflict heavy damage on each other. Both can keep the fight going for months with battles everyday..
So why not attack each other?
Bob wont mind it.THey will show people what power they got..
But MC will not take a contract on Bob cause of a few simple reasons..
Lets look at the war from BOB`s view:
They got the size They can fight without pressure and just choose the fights they want.. They can go back to their space and defend and wait for MC to come..
Lets take a look at it from MC`s view
MC will have to complete a contract with 80% of Eve`s population watching every statistic available..
It will hurt their reputation if they loose. (i think it will be stronger since they show they aren`t afraid to loose either but only my opinion)
They have to be the ones to take initiative and run into Bob who can sit and plan every move the want to do when MC GOT to jump in to fight for the isk they get. They dont have the numbers to face Bob on a full offensive..
When looking at this i dont see it as cowardly from MC to reject a contract on Bob now matter how much isk they get.. It`s a good strategy to keep things running smoothly..
But there is no doubt in my mind that it would been a blast to see them face each other and that they both would bite hard..
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 13/11/2006 11:41:45
Originally by: Max Teranous
4) We require a plan. "Kill BoB" is not a plan.
Surely MC have been hired before "just" to kill as many as possible. What makes BoB any different? I see this excuse being used every single time someone ask why MC haven't fought BoB, yet it still rings immensely bad in my ears as a bad excuse
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 13/11/2006 11:46:04
Originally by: King Fury
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: King Fury
They are too closely affiliated to BoB no matter what they say, even if they did take the contract I doubt you could trust them, they have too much to lose.
Id try KIA, dont know any other mercs but Im sure they'll post here to tout for business.
Mhm ... sure. You are too young to understand. But please go ahead.
Typical BoB posting for the sake of posting and making no real sense
Please comeback whe you have something constructive to add.
Seriously, go ask KIAEddz ingame about it, KIA isn't something we are discussing in this thread.
EDIT:You can also ask me ingame if you want me to explain you some history(maybe little biased but will be close to real events). ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 13/11/2006 11:41:45
Originally by: Max Teranous
4) We require a plan. "Kill BoB" is not a plan.
Surely MC have been hired before "just" to kill as many as possible. What makes BoB any different? I see this excuse being used every single time someone ask why MC haven't fought BoB, yet it still rings immensely bad in my ears as a bad excuse
EDIT: Added for effect
How many other alliances that they took a contract on to "just kill people" would go take all four of their outposts within the first week of the contract and put a large tower on every moon in those systems just for the hell of it?
I'm not saying we would do that, but we are sure as hell in a position to.
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: King Fury
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: King Fury
They are too closely affiliated to BoB no matter what they say, even if they did take the contract I doubt you could trust them, they have too much to lose.
Id try KIA, dont know any other mercs but Im sure they'll post here to tout for business.
Mhm ... sure. You are too young to understand. But please go ahead.
Typical BoB posting for the sake of posting and making no real sense
Please comeback whe you have something constructive to add.
Seriously, go ask KIAEddz ingame about it, KIA isn't something we are discussing in this thread. Or ask me ingame if you want me to explain you some history.
Sorry I misunderstood, my point is hiring MC against BoB is a waste of time as really they are BoB just without the ticker. I was therefore suggesting that KIA would be a better option or another merc corp (Sorry I dont know any others).
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Hehe,
Perhaps you should check out how successful KIA were last time against us before wasting your money.
Let's just say that they never quite finished their contract.
Cheers, dbp
LoL
DB.
You were our 1 and only failure in over 2 years of Mercing and over 20 succesful contracts. It came at a time when i was unable to be online, some key members were bored of Eve and decided to leave, and the people left were inexperienced and disorganised.
We were honest about our failings, up front as to why, and took the hit to our reputation on the chin.
Whilst I appreciate your sentiment, and idd have a lot of respect for BoB, we'd take a contract on you in a heartbeat for the right price.
Your comment was petty, fkin snidey and tbh fkd me off. Maybe we will get to see you round after all. xx
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya TBH if I were MC and you had a good plan I would be looking for a minimum of 500bill for week 1 and probably 100bill per week after and I highly doubt anyone who could put that kind of isk up would do it. 1 week just isn't enough to hurt bob.
Think Seleenes figures were lower some time ago, when she said something that below 12 or 13 (?) bil isk per week or something like that and having a play they wouldn't do it. (Too lazy to try to find it with eve-search. ) Well, those number are many months old and she just said it to give people an idea about the sums, but 500bil per week would be a bit extreme compared to that. Ok, MC didn't have 4 outposts at that time.
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Karmic
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 13/11/2006 11:41:45
Originally by: Max Teranous
4) We require a plan. "Kill BoB" is not a plan.
Surely MC have been hired before "just" to kill as many as possible. What makes BoB any different? I see this excuse being used every single time someone ask why MC haven't fought BoB, yet it still rings immensely bad in my ears as a bad excuse
EDIT: Added for effect
fair enough "go kill some ships" is a plan but I'm sorry its not one that will work against BoB, well not effectively enough. Also there is not enough purpose in that plan either, come on you have to make it interesting for us. I'm not saying its just about the money, its the main reason, but we also have to keep it fun as well and running round BoB space popping seleene's alts in there hulks and indies just doesn't do it for me anymore. - - - - - - - - -
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Techtriz
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Techtriz on 13/11/2006 11:58:32
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB. I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
I was under the assumption that real mercenaries work for the highest bidder, i thought real mercenaries feared no one and stayed well out of the political arena.
Obviously I was wrong.
So MC, can you give a list of all the corps and alliances you wont take contracts out on please to save everyone some time?
I think i'll give my billions to KIA, I know they are not afraid of BOB.
Agreed, MC is just a BOB puppet. Hint: See where MC's outpost is placed.
PS. I thought the mercenaries was the ones to come up with the plan? And not the customer, which in most cases choose to hire mercs, because of their small experience in the fighting area.
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: BlackLight
I see Anue created a new alt.
Who is this Anue guy everyone keeps refering to?
Oh, and I see BlackLights post isn't in thread anymore. WTF?
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Your comment was petty, fkin snidey and tbh fkd me off. Maybe we will get to see you round after all. xx
It wasn't petty eddz, it was realistic.
I doubt I will ever see you because if you are hired, you won't be on the frontlines. You'll be in empire trying to gank our non-existing industrialists or you'll be in delve trying to gank our non-existing industrialists.
If you come down onto the frontlines, you are going to find yourself outnumbered and dead.
I'm sorry if you still can't stand up and understand the reality of your situation, I thought after all you had seen in Eve that you would have but that wasn't smak.
I just call it exactly how I see it and am not afraid to call it for what it is.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Thalera Saldana
Minmatar Oxymorons from Outer Space
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Thalera Saldana on 13/11/2006 12:03:30
Originally by: Techtriz PS. I thought the mercenaries was the ones to come up with the plan? And not the customer, which in most cases choose to hire mercs, because of their small experience in the fighting area.
They may of course mean Strategic plan as in attack Big Blue to blow up the capital ship yards. I'm fairly certain they do the Tactical planning themselves . .
Thal
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang That's private, but lets just say I have more than enough to hire any merc to fight whoever I want for at least 6 months.
Apparently you dont, if you did MC would have accepted the contract -----
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Bizarre
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:10:00 -
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Cut the crap Aneu. Noone is buying your bull****.
Go back to the Planetarion forums, where you may have some credibility left. Although I doubt people will believe you there. --------------------
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:11:00 -
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This subjects been done to death now. Blacklight and ugluuk pretty nailed it (omg i'm goingo agree with ugluuk what is the world coming to? ). We are a business, you need to make any proposition worth our while and it needs to be sustainable. The majority of our contracts are perfectly sustainable if the task was to 'just kill stuff', as there isn't a risk of 500 of them turning up in our home system fielding 50 dreads. However this is exactly what will happen the moment we declare a war on BoB without a plan, we are not as numerous as them.
Its not our job to satisfy your idea at the cost of our business, we are here to make money, otherwise we would be fairly poor mercs.
Generally we get fairly specific objectives to complete, although the exact 'how' is our discretion i think the client is expected to put in legwork - To summarise turning up as an alt and saying i want BoB killed here is a cookie will not get you a contract. You are welcome to go elsewhere to a merc corp who will work for an alt and a cookie.
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bizarre Cut the crap Aneu. Noone is buying your bull****.
Go back to the Planetarion forums, where you may have some credibility left. Although I doubt people will believe you there.
Not really any on there since he started working with Killmark and buddying his attacks (well until they fell out).
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Trooper B99
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:14:00 -
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huh? wha? TUBORG!
bleugh! huh? VITOC!
meh? what?! VIKING!
The Monday after a Fanfest is a bad day for work, more sensible level headed post after lunch but expect it to be in the same vein as Karmic and Max's unless Seleene talks at mr limitless pockets first. .
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Your comment was petty, fkin snidey and tbh fkd me off. Maybe we will get to see you round after all. xx
It wasn't petty eddz, it was realistic.
I doubt I will ever see you because if you are hired, you won't be on the frontlines. You'll be in empire trying to gank our non-existing industrialists or you'll be in delve trying to gank our non-existing industrialists.
If you come down onto the frontlines, you are going to find yourself outnumbered and dead.
I'm sorry if you still can't stand up and understand the reality of your situation, I thought after all you had seen in Eve that you would have but that wasn't smak.
I just call it exactly how I see it and am not afraid to call it for what it is.
dbp
A contractor would hardly ask KIA to go take your blob on now would he ;)
No way KIA could do anything to you other than p.iss you off, but if an employer is looking for that, then a unit like KIA or several others would fit just fine. If that is what an employer is looking for then so be it.
Harping on about our previous failure (which consisted of 1 engagement and a mass exodus of KIA pilots that had nothing to do with the ocntract, and everything to do with Wow :( ) is just a poor show Db.
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Larsson7
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:18:00 -
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It is great to come to the forums on a Monday and see the daily "MC wont fight BoB" thread.
It is an old and tired subject and yet alts just want to bring it to the fore every day.
I can tell you that MC generally have multiple contract offers in front of the 4 CEO's and Directors to consider. These range from hiring us to protect a complex for 2 weeks up to major attacks on the larger Alliances. We are always aware that we want our members to have as much fun as possible while ensuring that the price for our services are reflective of the quality of service that we provide.
I know that the above will not satiate the inherent desire of the conspiracy theorists to continue and pour out their ill-informed diatribe, however, I no longer care.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/11/2006 12:21:27
Originally by: KIAEddZ No way KIA could do anything to you other than p.iss you off, but if an employer is looking for that, then a unit like KIA or several others would fit just fine. If that is what an employer is looking for then so be it.
Harping on about our previous failure (which consisted of 1 engagement and a mass exodus of KIA pilots that had nothing to do with the ocntract, and everything to do with Wow :( ) is just a poor show Db.
If pointing out the reality of a situation is poor show then I must be a very poor man.
You failed in your last contract against us. I couldn't careless for your whinings about why.
Do what you want now Eddz, you won't annoy us in the slightest. You will just be *another* merc corp roaming around, killing very few BoB and making no difference to this war except to drain ASCN resources further.
And if you still can't accept that simple truth then I feel truly dissapointed in you.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Toppar Wear
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Your comment was petty, fkin snidey and tbh fkd me off. Maybe we will get to see you round after all. xx
It wasn't petty eddz, it was realistic.
I doubt I will ever see you because if you are hired, you won't be on the frontlines. You'll be in empire trying to gank our non-existing industrialists or you'll be in delve trying to gank our non-existing industrialists.
If you come down onto the frontlines, you are going to find yourself outnumbered and dead.
I'm sorry if you still can't stand up and understand the reality of your situation, I thought after all you had seen in Eve that you would have but that wasn't smak.
I just call it exactly how I see it and am not afraid to call it for what it is.
dbp
Being realistic is not the same as being disrespecfull. There a lot of ways to tell something, some are more offending then others.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 13/11/2006 12:28:47
Originally by: DB Preacher "stuff"
If you had just pointed out your reality, which i do agree with (the reality that KIA coud not damage BoB long term) then i wouldnt of felt the need to post m8y, but your snidey and pretty disresepctful comment "look what happened last time they tried" (i think about 18 months ago ;) ) was just a little too much to not respond to.
But sigh, i was determined to not get into any arguments on these forums this week! So i agree with the essence of what your saying. Play on Db.
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Sun Ra
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:36:00 -
[49]
KIA alt trying to drum up business ?
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:37:00 -
[50]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MC took a contract on BOB, that would mean they loose their 4 stations (intangible value associated with that). Probably in excess of 150-200 billion.
Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MC took a contract on BOB, that would mean they loose their 4 stations (intangible value associated with that). Probably in excess of 150-200 billion.
Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
At least junior here still has his common sense circuit plugged in
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MC took a contract on BOB, that would mean they loose their 4 stations (intangible value associated with that). Probably in excess of 150-200 billion.
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Doc Nefarious
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:45:00 -
[53]
goto www.mercenarycoalition.com and fill in the contract contact form - use your main we don't deal with alts - have a plan or an idea of a plan don't come to us expecting miracles, miracles cost more than a normal contract - please remember we have many contracts being offered to us so if we say we are busy its the truth - we will take a contract on BoB but please remember all the above and have a very large wallet, and expect to pay alot upfront - anything else Seleene feels is pertinant
How would that work the MC war deccing BoB ?? Doesn't the MC live in BoB space ? That is really silly asking the MC to attack an alliance that is housing them. Or is that just forum propoganda?
Seriusly what would happen after the war dec i men the MC would need a new home not that they would have any trouble finding or making one but that just doesn't make sense. besides that i have great respect for the MC but i doubt that they could withstand a BoB assault no matter how air tight the plan is. I think that is just ridicolous and the only person anyone should listen to on the official stance of the MC and a war dec on BoB would be seleene or one of sel's alt's. Unless he says there could may possibly have that seriously looked at then you would need to outline some decent goals. besides I think the MC would love to fight BoB as much as BoB would like to fight them purely on the basis that it would be one hell of a good fight. So you would be affectively paying them to just have some fun which BoB would probably still house them after. on 2nd thought i would pay to see if the MC can be the alliance to break the BoB I'll add 5bil isk to anyone seriously entertaining the idea of hiring MC against BoB. They better make a video of it that would be sweet, best video in eve. Anyho gtg but this was an interesting post ty for it
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sunshang on 13/11/2006 12:56:10
Originally by: Ithildin
Unless they brokered a deal with BoB not to do capital ships, which is a very high possibility.
My contract included a specific low number of capitals to safe.guard against any form of 'collaboration', but even though im not too concerned about them collaborating as i know if you take a hit on bob they don't kiss & make up later, they destroy you.
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Shin Ra Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
At least junior here still has his common sense circuit plugged in
So you don't believe MC are good enough to hurt you even with unlimited funding?
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Bravehearts Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang Edited by: Sunshang on 13/11/2006 12:55:18
Originally by: Ithildin
Unless they brokered a deal with BoB not to do capital ships, which is a very high possibility.
My contract included a specific low number of capitals to sa***uard against any form of 'collaboration', but even though im not too concerned about them collaborating as i know if you take a hit on bob they don't kiss & make up later, they destroy you.
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Shin Ra Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
At least junior here still has his common sense circuit plugged in
So you don't believe MC are good enough to hurt you even with unlimited funding?
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang So you don't believe MC are good enough to hurt you even with unlimited funding?
What I believe is irrelevant in this case, you're not trying to hire me are you?
Go back and read what Sivona wrote if you want the pertinant facts.
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:58:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Captain Hudson
The Power of Ebay
Says the bob puppet, please go troll elsewhere
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Nebuli
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:03:00 -
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How are KIA any different on this?
MC wont attack BOB because they have mutual benefits to each other and fighting each other wouldnt be beneficial to either.
As an example try and hire KIA to attack OSS or GOONs, you will get the exact same answer as you got for MC attacking BOB, NO.
CEO - Art of War
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Trooper B99
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 13/11/2006 13:06:40
Okay, now that I've had a sandwich and some Irn-bru (*said in slurred glaswegian to Nordica staff* WTF do you mean you don't stock Irn-Bru, its a 4 Star hotel FFS!) I think that if you are a legitimate contractor this should be taken to a more private communication.
Considering a healthy proportion of the MC leadership have been in Iceland recently or getting ready for such, I would ask you specfifically WHO you contacted regarding this contract, WHEN you first contacted them and when you FOLLOWED up on contact and if you used your MAIN character for said contact.
As has been posted before there are specifics YOU as the contractor have to come up or have thought about either before contact with the MC leadership or in conjunction with said party. Also, the actions of the client during negotiations can affect how they are treated in regards to a contract.
Either way, if you are indeed serious please answer my three questions and get in touch with us at our website. .
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Doc Nefarious
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:17:00 -
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Allright fine if u need help on a plan to present to th e=mC use this..
The object wil be to capture the flag. If they can do that and hold it long enough they win.
You will just be paying them to have fun and i believe there is a rivalry betweent the allainces in terms of skills anyway. also you are forgetting they live together in 0.0 space so they have flown and fought together also made friends with each other. BoB respect the MC, The MC respect BoB even if you really do have an unlimited wallet then what point will that prove anyway. You did this over the forums so u nearly sell out who your main is with. So basically u r asking the MC to pursue a contract against BoB and who else would be desperate enough to throw unlimited funding at them no tin foil hat there. Maybe you could contact KIA and maybe they would accept the contract i cant speak for them. I have flown with them so i know they are capable.
I think if you have an unlimited wallet then purchase a titan for bob load the cargo bays up with flowers and an aoplogy letter and maybe you will get them out of your space On that note i cant speak for BoB but i assume its a start.
ROFl some of the crap that gets slung on these public viewing forums is just funny..
I was in the ASCN so on the note ofthe ASCN led attacks i will suggest they are just having fun causing mayhem i dont think they actually care if MC entered the war or not. I believe they would hold it as more fun, I really think that for the ASCN boys they are just loving all this fighting and random BoB and MC ganking. So sel on that note just pop them on sight give them the fight they are looking for and enjoy the killmails i really dont believe they will stop having there fun and also dont believe anything can actually be accomplished by threatening them.
There are some funny guys in that alliance and it is after all a game i believe they have already resigned to the fatc they are beaten and are just having some fun b4 ASCN pop's. TBH Sel dont worry I think ASCN are clear they should not intrude into your space but as long as it is fun you cant stop them and awar dec is just what seems to be what they are after, so you will be affectively feeding the desiree's of ASCN pilot's and other alts that want that.
WoW guy's this is just game sometime's i think the reality of how things are run in eve just gets taken way out of proportion... geez..
I remeber fighting with my mates like this when i was like 10 years old whilst playing streetfighter and mortal kombat. After u beat your friends there would be all out fights at the bike shed after school and all i am ever seeing is the sane stuff only adults trying to use somewhat ellaborate and sophisticated verbal spammage to win points. TBH the 10 year old way of dealing with is more affective and ends it quicker this is all bs
Fight or dont Fight, Die or dont die. who cares as long as u got a clone and some good iskie's what difference does a podding make anyway they just respawn like belt rats they drop better stuff though.
ANyway enough counter spam gtg
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:31:00 -
[61]
Quick question did you ask for a quote with this charc?
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:38:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Captain Hudson
The Power of Ebay
Says the bob puppet, please go troll elsewhere
Does your main know that you're out making trouble?
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Kaell Meynn
Divergence
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:39:00 -
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I don't think anyone is saying MC should take a contract against BoB, they're just pointing out that MC is not a neutral independant mercanary group. They are a political entity that is NAPed with BoB. Who happen to be willing to fight non-NAPed entities for ISK.
But this isn't very different from any other alliance in the game that will fight non-NAPed entities for personal gain. Just most gain people fight for is not in the form of raw ISK. Thus the 'M' in 'MC' doens't carry much weight. Or 75% of alliances in Eve could be called 'mercanries'.
I believe this was OPs point, judging from his thread title "MC are not true mercenaries".
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MC took a contract on BOB, that would mean they loose their 4 stations (intangible value associated with that). Probably in excess of 150-200 billion.
Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
QFT.
Wish MC would admit to this instead of using the same old "we need a plan"-excuse ____________
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:40:00 -
[65]
Sel can we shoot BoB?
Pleeeeeeeeze?
DBP's too pretty to live.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:44:00 -
[66]
I'm sorry but from what I've seen and experienced BoB would steamrole MC. MC just don't have the numbers to play, they have everything else except the numbers.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but if MC took a contract on BOB, that would mean they loose their 4 stations (intangible value associated with that). Probably in excess of 150-200 billion.
Now, considering MC are in no position to destroy BOB, it would simply result in a lot of lost ships for afew weeks then handing BOB 4 free stations. What would be the point in that?
QFT.
Wish MC would admit to this instead of using the same old "we need a plan"-excuse
They need to cover their ends publicly and they countinue to do so even when we point facts at them, it's not stupid on their accord. To be honest, it's a white lie.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:46:00 -
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Why would we shoot our mains guys? That's just stupid
Seriously though, we aren't obliged to take ANY contract at all, the leadership of the MC are very good at determining what is going to be worth doing. If you just contact us and say (from an alt or main really) 'Hi, I want you to attack BOB (which is pretty much always just a LOL J00 ARENT NYOOTRAL LOL deal anyway) ISK is no object', it doesn't really sound too convincing.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn I don't think anyone is saying MC should take a contract against BoB, they're just pointing out that MC is not a neutral independant mercanary group. They are a political entity that is NAPed with BoB. Who happen to be willing to fight non-NAPed entities for ISK.
We're also +5 with the alliance they are trying to wipe from EVE, atm. We make positive standing arrangements with other entities, particularly those who NBSI (read: BoB and ASCN) whom we have no interest in pewpewing (read: aren't getting paid to pewpew).
Oh, I have an idea! *gets out megaphone* "Attention EVE! Anyone with positive standings to anyone else, particularly your neighbors, can never be a neutral entity. Yes, ISS, this means you. How dare you try to live peacefully with those you do not wish to fight and who like to use the standings mechanic to decide who is a target and who is not?! For shame!"
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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SaintVash
Gallente 0wnage
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:07:00 -
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hm.. when i was in MC i coulda swarn Seleene said, "we'd go after bob if the price was right"... direct quote.. guess BL is right.. they're scared to lose there Outposts.. yarr and all that
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Heinky
Amarr BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:17:00 -
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why would mc wanna atteck bob when their about to help them with the ascn fight.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:24:00 -
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First MC put themselves in dependent position. Now they are looking for excuses for not doing something that will hurt them. I think that everyone is ok with current situation. Just don`t claim that you are true mercenary outfit because you are not. You are just another alliance, who holds some territory and afraid to lose it.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Heinky why would mc wanna atteck bob when their about to help them with the ascn fight.
And we would need help becasue ........
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten I'm sorry but from what I've seen and experienced BoB would steamrole MC. MC just don't have the numbers to play, they have everything else except the numbers.
Wouldnt any merc corp be an asset to ASCN as its not the numbers they need it seems to be additional FC's. As BoB have proven on numerous occaisions its not the numbers you field its the tactics that win the battle. So whoever the merc FC's are say Selenne or KiaEddz (dont know who there FCs are) wouldnt that change the tide of the war? Didnt I see a thread awhile ago where there was an MC dude (think it was eyeshadow) was offering independent FC services?
I am assuming that this thread was started by an ASCN alt (sorry no flame intended).
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Spiderweb
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug First MC put themselves in dependent position. Now they are looking for excuses for not doing something that will hurt them. I think that everyone is ok with current situation. Just don`t claim that you are true mercenary outfit because you are not. You are just another alliance, who holds some territory and afraid to lose it.
You just dont get it do you?
What you call "territory" is an expensive piece of asset. When a mercenary corp takes a contract they have to weigh risk for reward. Now think about it.
If they gonna fight BoB the reward must be pretty freakin big since they would expect to lose multiple expensive ships (risk). However in this specific case, the risk is losing not just the ships but 1-4 outposts as well. Thats part of the risk.
Do you understand how huge the "reward" must be to equate with that risk ? it should be HUGE, biggest payout in history of EVE pretty much (ships + pos + outposts). Does ANYONE honestly believes that the OP offered a reward sufficient enough to counter that risk ? Or even better, that he actually can offer it ? exactly .. I have no doubt in my mind that If the reward was sufficient enough, MC would engage BoB. At the very least for publicity and fun.
As for why MC chose that particular area of space for their home knowing that "problem", thats another story. -----------------------------------------------
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Raivotar
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:52:00 -
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ALT...next in line , thx.
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Leosian
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:53:00 -
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For one thing, according to our contract FAQ's:
WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO AN OFFER.
Just because we are mercs don't mean we have to accept every contract offered to us.
Besides, BoB isn't entering our space, ASCN and their hired guns are. I'd rather blast them into oblivion.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:54:00 -
[78]
Tell me whats the difference between mc and any alliance that control conquerable stations ?
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Lorn Yeager
Gallente Blessed Souls
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Tell me whats the difference between mc and any alliance that control conquerable stations ?
Uhm.... well... None?
Once you got stations, its all about politics.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Leosian For one thing, according to our contract FAQ's:
WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO AN OFFER.
Just because we are mercs don't mean we have to accept every contract offered to us.
Besides, BoB isn't entering our space, ASCN and their hired guns are. I'd rather blast them into oblivion.
Yep plus we do not deal with alts and quite clearly the OP is either an alt of someone we have annoyed or is just trying to cause trouble.
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Svetlanna
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:07:00 -
[81]
Answer to the original post:
How can you expect the puppet to turn agaisnt it's puppet master?
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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:11:00 -
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I love threads like these. They just ooze of intelligence.
Cheers, Lowa
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:12:00 -
[83]
Hire us to shoot BoB, please please please
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Halafian
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Halafian on 13/11/2006 15:21:16 What's the point of the 'no contracts from alts' rule? Why does a merc care where the money comes from?
edit: I don't see anything about "no alts" in the faq on the MC website advertising their services.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Leosian For one thing, according to our contract FAQ's:
WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO AN OFFER.
Just because we are mercs don't mean we have to accept every contract offered to us.
Besides, BoB isn't entering our space, ASCN and their hired guns are. I'd rather blast them into oblivion.
Yep plus we do not deal with alts and quite clearly the OP is either an alt of someone we have annoyed or is just trying to cause trouble.
Post whatever excuses you want - bottom line is you don't want to risk you assets. Fair enough, I don't think anyone blaim you. However stop digging the hole, you're already in, deeper. I don't expect you to admit to anything, just try to look objectively on things and you might realise how stupid you guys look when you keep shouting the same bad excuses. ____________
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:18:00 -
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Offer MC a plan. Thats what they are asking for.
Gank squads dont hurt bob, Bob will admit this. So why would MC take a contract out on their masters for contract that has little to gain.
What is the most boring part of EVE. POS warfare.
Give them a plan. Slowly eliminate each and everone of Bob's POS in Delve. Give them 1 amount per small pos destroyed, 1 for large and so on. Give them more if they take out all the Sov. Pos in a system. Attacking station POS would probably be more expensive, see what it costs. This contract would not be about gaining stations, it would be for the systematic elimination of a Bob resource, its POS farms in Delve.
The main problem is, that for MC to function to the high level they are used to in this game, they need access to good 0.0 systems. They made a deal with bob and now have to live with the fact that if they attack BOB, they risk the loss of those stations.
Offer them a situation where at the end of the contract they may have the entire region of Period Basis as theirs at the end. Not likely but its a starting point.
But yeah, contact MC with your main, give them a plan, ask for a price. If they then decide not to take it, come back and let us know what your plan was and how much you offered with your main pls. If you want to go after MC reputation at least have the decency to do it with your main.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
Quote: I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
Define... "unlimited". Because, TBH, I'd be quite interested in what that means. Seriously. Are we talking... 50 billion? 500? I have a seriously good imagination and the term 'unlimited' brings a hell of a lot of zeros to mind... -
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 13/11/2006 15:25:43 Just for note. An earlier post said we wouldnt take a contract vs Goons.
KIA would NOT take a contract on Goons unless the money was so big that we'd never need isk again (so we are talking 100s of billions). We have a real relationship with them, one which is mutually beneficial. And as the future of Eve develops, this relationship is key to KIA staying ahead of the game. We understand that and we know it makes sense.
That said we would work directly for any of the Goons enenmies, and apart from them there is no one we wouldnt kill for isk, or other payment methods.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:25:00 -
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i contacted MC about a bob contract a few months back and they TOTALLY priced themselves out of the job..
2mill was shocking.... robbers. u think im Mr isk?.
d solo.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
Quote: I was told NO, despite my unlimited wallet to pay for it.
Thats sorted that out then.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:28:00 -
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"The Mercenary Coalition are shock troops, we are not an army."
So... What this means is that we are great at getting a bunch of tangible objectives done in a short period of time with a high success rate. Or we can be deployed to distract a party for a while, maybe allowing other things to happen.
Or maybe someone wants a certain party annoyed in empire for a while, disrupting their industrial stuff.
We don't have the numbers to slug it out with a big alliance. We like to take on contracts that will satisfy the client. If you don't come up with a good plan, involving probably more alliances / players to attack BoB, successrate will be very low and we will probably protect you against yourself and say "Nope, not gonna happen". :) -
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:29:00 -
[92]
Originally by: maGz
Post whatever excuses you want - bottom line is you don't want to risk you assets. Fair enough, I don't think anyone blaim you. However stop digging the hole, you're already in, deeper. I don't expect you to admit to anything, just try to look objectively on things and you might realise how stupid you guys look when you keep shouting the same bad excuses.
What excuses? We're essentially saying the same thing as you. If someone comes to us with a credible plan to attack BoB that leaves us with our assets intact, we're all ears. If they come to us asking us to sacrifice our assets for the sake of a few bil or even a few tens of bil, we'll tell them to bugger off. We're not idiots.
Neither are our comments about alts an excuse. Do you realise how many contract offers we get? Far too many for us to ever take on, or even explore fully. Our contract negiators have limited patience and limited time. We have to adopt some rules to sort the wheat from the chaff. Our experience has been that most alts end up being timewasters, and therefore we dont deal with them. ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:35:00 -
[93]
Originally by: KIAEddZ consisted of 1 engagement and a mass exodus of KIA pilots that had nothing to do with the contract, and everything to do with Wow
Eddz matey
It was 2 engagements and tbh, not everyone went to WoW... --
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:37:00 -
[94]
Well on top of the alt not talking to Seleene, I'd also like to point out that we've declined offers to attack ASCN.
Now if the tin-foil-hat, I-don't-have-a-clue crowd could go back to thier nests for a little untill you can find something else to get worked up over.
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Griefer Troll
Troll Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:40:00 -
[95]
I'll take the contract this unlimited wallet deal sounds great.
For this kind of money I can commit unlimited numbers of Battle-fitted impairors to the complete destruction of BoB. I can also offer a frighteneing array of doomsday smacktalking, which will soon crush the morale of these pretenders.
For a mere 1BN a week, I will not rest until they are destroyed.
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:41:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
I'm sorry but if you are going to blatently lie just to save face then thats a disgrace. You told me specifically NO and your exact following words were 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.'.
If you want to be two-faced go ahead, but at least have the decency to tell the truth to people and not spin things. You know EXACTLY how much i was willing to spend over six months.
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:41:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Karmic Oh really. Here is the checklist for talking to the MC about any contract- - goto www.mercenarycoalition.com and fill in the contract contact form - use your main we don't deal with alts - have a plan or an idea of a plan don't come to us expecting miracles, miracles cost more than a normal contract - please remember we have many contracts being offered to us so if we say we are busy its the truth - we will take a contract on BoB but please remember all the above and have a very large wallet, and expect to pay alot upfront - anything else Seleene feels is pertinant -
oh really?
So explain why my ex-corp mate has attempted to contact MC through ALL of the above means about a contract and has not even had a polite evemail to say NO ?
Bunch of muppets ____________________ MOGarmy
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:42:00 -
[98]
Aneu has no credibility in Planetarion anyway Sivona espeiclaly with teh MDK and Killmark bot army :p
Originally by: Admiral Goberius Basically we need to understand why they manage to cream our dreads like they were shuttles and theirs manage to tank a total of 150 ascn ships + 112 fighters
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:45:00 -
[99]
So, would the 'true mercenaries' please stand up?
It can't be us, because we have a business relationship with BoB.
It can't be KIA, because they have a relationship with the Goons.
OO? I know that as CoC they used to have a relationship with Bladerunners and PA. I'm sure they still have people they wouldn't attack. Would Mitch or anyone like to comment?
The point I'm trying to make is that the idea of 'true mercenaries' is a silly one. The current state of the game requires any mercenary who wants to compete toe to toe with alliances to own a large fleet of capitals. Owning and maintaining a large fleet of capitals requires either claiming your own bit of 0.0, or building a relationship with someone who does - both of which seem to disqualify an entity from being 'true mercenaries' in the eyes of the public. ----------------------------------------
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:46:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
I'm sorry but if you are going to blatently lie just to save face then thats a disgrace. You told me specifically NO and your exact following words were 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.'.
If you want to be two-faced go ahead, but at least have the decency to tell the truth to people and not spin things. You know EXACTLY how much i was willing to spend over six months.
Chat log? -
Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters? |
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:49:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
I'm sorry but if you are going to blatently lie just to save face then thats a disgrace. You told me specifically NO and your exact following words were 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.'.
If you want to be two-faced go ahead, but at least have the decency to tell the truth to people and not spin things. You know EXACTLY how much i was willing to spend over six months.
Chat log?
As soon as I get home from work im posting it dont worry, I thought you had more integrity than this seleene, I really really did.
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Necronomicon
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:49:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Necronomicon on 13/11/2006 15:51:25 Ok, an order just arrived for a Mr I.M Alt?
2 buckets of trolls, 1 of flames. Who is gonna sign for them?
Edit
SUNSHANG - Member of "Alty McAlt Corp for less than a day" Alty McAlt Corp - Members 2
I guess these are your Sunshang?
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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ZelRox
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:52:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Righteous Fury Hire us to shoot BoB, please please please
I thought you were on a break :P ----------------------
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:52:00 -
[104]
Don't bother. Aneu's not above forging chat logs. His objective is just to troll.
Seems the definition of "mercenary" here is someone that will take contracts like "kill BoB, and donate your spleen".
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Bizarre
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:54:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Rebellion Don't bother. Aneu's not above forging chat logs. His objective is just to troll.
Seems the definition of "mercenary" here is someone that will take contracts like "kill BoB, and donate your spleen".
No he's not forging chatlogs! Once he gets home he will tell us that his harddrive is destroyed and that he can no longer get the chatlogs of the conversation!
Kinda like he did with the m0o screenshots. --------------------
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 15:56:00 -
[106]
Originally by: ZelRox
Originally by: Righteous Fury Hire us to shoot BoB, please please please
I thought you were on a break :P
I would come back for the contract
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:02:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
I'm sorry but if you are going to blatently lie just to save face then thats a disgrace. You told me specifically NO and your exact following words were 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.'.
If you want to be two-faced go ahead, but at least have the decency to tell the truth to people and not spin things. You know EXACTLY how much i was willing to spend over six months.
Chat log?
As soon as I get home from work im posting it dont worry, I thought you had more integrity than this seleene, I really really did.
So gonna break the rules twice then posting with an alt and posting chat logs I do hope the mods are gonna be warning your main charc?
Will be interesting to see the logs though
Your Boss just ASKED for the chat logs...
Keep up... rofl ____________________ MOGarmy
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:02:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
I'm sorry but if you are going to blatently lie just to save face then thats a disgrace. You told me specifically NO and your exact following words were 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.'.
If you want to be two-faced go ahead, but at least have the decency to tell the truth to people and not spin things. You know EXACTLY how much i was willing to spend over six months.
Chat log?
As soon as I get home from work im posting it dont worry, I thought you had more integrity than this seleene, I really really did.
So gonna break the rules twice then posting with an alt and posting chat logs I do hope the mods are gonna be warning your main charc?
Will be interesting to see the logs though
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:05:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Sunshang As soon as I get home from work im posting it dont worry, I thought you had more integrity than this seleene, I really really did.
Bring it. Show me where I had a detailed conversation with a main character who had "unlimited" funds and a plan to attack and destroy BoB forever that doesn't sound like something a four year old girl came up with... and then turned it down.
I have no idea what you are talking about, but 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.' sounds like a polite way of saying, "I don't talk to lunatics with no concept of what is possible or even intelligent."
So, post your chat log. I'll also be curious to see your main character's name, the dates this conversation took place and the dozens of issues discussed that such a contract would entail. -
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:08:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Orree on 13/11/2006 16:15:56
Originally by: EvilNate Hire outbreak.
What he said (if they are even taking contracts).
These guys (Outbreak) are pretty darned good, tbh.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:12:00 -
[111]
Kaiu, Sel's exact words were "chat logs?" where does that say break the rules of the forum and post them here please?
Just because someone asks you to do something against the rules doesn't mean you have to do it.
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Karash Amerius
Amarr O.E.C
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:19:00 -
[112]
I believe that MC are true mercs...but it is true that a contract vs BoB would mean they would eventually have to pack up and move north (I assume anyhow). The thing people have to realize that when you operate at the level MC does, you require capital yards, POS services in 0.0 space and so forth. You cannot do that in Empire space effectively. They choose where to live and probably have agreements to make sure that continues in an un-interrupted fashion. This doesn't make them less mercenary...but they just have to have some home space.
And since all the 0.0 space is taken these days, what are they to do?
A side note: Personally, I would like to see Stain become a Mercenary haven for all corporations and alliances with true mercenary corporation charters. Sure, brigands and bandits would be in that crowd probably, but its something of a goal of mine...even if its probably un-attainable.
Merc Blog |
JINX HSC
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:19:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang As soon as I get home from work im posting it dont worry, I thought you had more integrity than this seleene, I really really did.
Bring it. Show me where I had a detailed conversation with a main character who had "unlimited" funds and a plan to attack and destroy BoB forever that doesn't sound like something a four year old girl came up with... and then turned it down.
I have no idea what you are talking about, but 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.' sounds like a polite way of saying, "I don't talk to lunatics with no concept of what is possible or even intelligent."
So, post your chat log. I'll also be curious to see your main character's name, the dates this conversation took place and the dozens of issues discussed that such a contract would entail.
LOL
isnt this a good start of a new RIZ movie ??....dont you think Sel???
"THE CHAT" by Riz Featuring Sel and the unknown e-bayer Based on a "true" chat log....
/the mask - KLADDKAKA -
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:23:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Sunshang Last week I attempted to hire MC to attack BOB.
You didn't talk to me. BoB contract + No talking to Seleene = Bull****.
I'm sorry but if you are going to blatently lie just to save face then thats a disgrace. You told me specifically NO and your exact following words were 'that contract is not in our best interests, goodbye.'.
If you want to be two-faced go ahead, but at least have the decency to tell the truth to people and not spin things. You know EXACTLY how much i was willing to spend over six months.
You poor, poor thing. You must be so scared! Here, come with Uncle Crovan.
*Leads Sunshang to checkout lanes*
We seem to have a lost alt, here. I don't know who his main his, but if this keeps up, I might have to be his daddy. I would describe him but all you !'s look the same to me. So if you are missing an alt who fabricates stories so he can have his 15 minutes on EVE-O, he'll be up here tied to register 14.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:27:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 13/11/2006 16:30:41
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: KIAEddZ No way KIA could do anything to you other than p.iss you off, but if an employer is looking for that, then a unit like KIA or several others would fit just fine. If that is what an employer is looking for then so be it.
Harping on about our previous failure (which consisted of 1 engagement and a mass exodus of KIA pilots that had nothing to do with the ocntract, and everything to do with Wow :( ) is just a poor show Db.
If pointing out the reality of a situation is poor show then I must be a very poor man.
You failed in your last contract against us. I couldn't careless for your whinings about why.
Do what you want now Eddz, you won't annoy us in the slightest. You will just be *another* merc corp roaming around, killing very few BoB and making no difference to this war except to drain ASCN resources further.
And if you still can't accept that simple truth then I feel truly dissapointed in you.
dbp
How successful KIA is against BOB all depends on their ability to lead ASCN fleets in combat against BOB. If KIA can do what they did during the GoonSwarm contract, THAT would prolly be the best option.
1: Use KIA only pilots to fight guerilla wars in combination with: 2: Use KIA pilots as ASCN fleet commanders in larger confrontations.
The combination of the 2 is the only realistic way of inflicting BOB losses. What does that mean? THAT means ASCN HC must be willing to give KIA exactly what they ask for, so they can do their job effectively. IF HC is willing to do that, then they will also have done something right.
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:38:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Raste on 13/11/2006 16:38:19
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
1: Use KIA only pilots to fight forum wars in combination with: 2: Use KIA pilots as Goonfleet ministers of information in larger threads.
Fixed.
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:43:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 13/11/2006 16:44:13
Originally by: Raste Edited by: Raste on 13/11/2006 16:38:19
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
1: Use KIA only pilots to fight forum wars in combination with: 2: Use KIA pilots as Goonfleet ministers of information in larger threads.
Fixed.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:43:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Raste Edited by: Raste on 13/11/2006 16:38:19
Originally by: Zrevak Ashek
1: Use KIA only pilots to fight forum wars in combination with: 2: Use KIA pilots as Goonfleet ministers of information in larger threads.
Fixed.
Your embarrasing yourself shhhh.
(contract stats will show a 10-1 kill ratio, just so you know)
Anyways, we are on contract, so not available to ASCN. We led Goon fleets, alongside their up n coming FCs and it was a very succesful contract. This contract we are employed for our cap ships, and as a bonus we get to fly round ganking stuff.
Its a hard life ;)
KIA EVE Home
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:47:00 -
[119]
This reeks of brain haemorrhage
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:56:00 -
[120]
Only read the first page, and dont want to read anymore of it... all I want is to say this is really humerous 8).
WildCat
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:58:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Raste on 13/11/2006 17:01:34
Originally by: KIAEddZ
(contract stats will show a 10-1 kill ratio, just so you know)
If you mean that for everytime one of your pilots loses a vagabond to a solo brutix you'll sneak a KIA guy onto a frigate killmail with 20 goons, then I believe you. Not to pick on Tjakka though, when its your fourth individual HAC loss of the week I guess it should be special.
Best of luck chasing the ratio, I'll leave some abandoned shuttles around for you guys.
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:02:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Righteous Fury Hire us to shoot BoB, please please please
/me slips RF some money underneath the table
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:05:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Amthrianius Aneu has no credibility in Planetarion anyway Sivona espeiclaly with teh MDK and Killmark bot army :p
I thought thats what i already said
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Hectic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:05:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: ZelRox
Originally by: Righteous Fury Hire us to shoot BoB, please please please
I thought you were on a break :P
I would come back for the contract
*Hectic secretly hires Righteous Fury....
*cough* Canadian wanna-bee *cough*
Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL |
Trina Tron
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:10:00 -
[125]
-----------------------------------
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
*Locked*
Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums.
Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
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sidthesexist
Caldari Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:11:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Bizarre Cut the crap Aneu. Noone is buying your bull****.
Go back to the Planetarion forums, where you may have some credibility left. Although I doubt people will believe you there.
This guy is not Aneu i can assure you.
If it was him then he would use his main to contact seleene, and wouldnt have tried to hold back who he was.
He has contacted Seleene about contracts before, with his main.
So please before you jump to conclusions dont blame Aneu. ________ You What?
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sidthesexist
Caldari Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:12:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Bizarre Cut the crap Aneu. Noone is buying your bull****.
Go back to the Planetarion forums, where you may have some credibility left. Although I doubt people will believe you there.
Not really any on there since he started working with Killmark and buddying his attacks (well until they fell out).
Aneu and KM are still friends, funny thing is KM plays this game now :) ________ You What?
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papaPadla
Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:18:00 -
[128]
LOL is all i can say.
You are not talking about Mercenaries... youre talking about *****s... only those fall for the only interesting thing u had (if u had) ...unlimited funds.
So you got ****ed beacouse someone told you: **** off we saw bigger wallets No need to cry aboutit on the forums -------------------------------------
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:18:00 -
[129]
Originally by: sidthesexist
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Bizarre Cut the crap Aneu. Noone is buying your bull****.
Go back to the Planetarion forums, where you may have some credibility left. Although I doubt people will believe you there.
Not really any on there since he started working with Killmark and buddying his attacks (well until they fell out).
Aneu and KM are still friends, funny thing is KM plays this game now :)
Yes i know KM came back a month maybe 2 ago after about 2.5 years out. They left on bad terms after aneu cleared out the corp hangers but i guess time is a good healer.
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King Leonidas
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:18:00 -
[130]
Edited by: King Leonidas on 13/11/2006 17:17:39 Go away aneu :/
Using another of your accounts to post isn't going to make your new alt poster any more credible.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:19:00 -
[131]
woo free publicity!
seriously tho. one more "z0mg mc wont kill bob, they are wimps for now throwing away 500b in assets" and i will shoot myself in the head.
if someone contacts sel with a main, shows a serious plan of action and goal, (even if thats just "gank them and make them hurt", and most importantly; show us the isk.
you claim to have unlimited isk. while im not sel, i imagine a contract against BOB for 6 months covering our overhead would be an enormous sum..
even a contract against a random alliance for 6 months, without cap ship use, would cost an enormous amount of isk. if I had to guess, around 100b?
add cap use, that number goes way up.
add the loss of 4 outposts, and you get the picture.
make it worth our while:-p Bloody alts make me angry!!
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:24:00 -
[132]
eh... rabble rabble rabble!
High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment |
Agent Kenshin
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:24:00 -
[133]
I bet the OP is the guy who scammed 800 billion from everyone in that giant scam that went on back a few months ago. -----
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sidthesexist
Caldari Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:24:00 -
[134]
Edited by: sidthesexist on 13/11/2006 17:26:05
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: sidthesexist
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Bizarre Cut the crap Aneu. Noone is buying your bull****.
Go back to the Planetarion forums, where you may have some credibility left. Although I doubt people will believe you there.
Not really any on there since he started working with Killmark and buddying his attacks (well until they fell out).
Aneu and KM are still friends, funny thing is KM plays this game now :)
Yes i know KM came back a month maybe 2 ago after about 2.5 years out. They left on bad terms after aneu cleared out the corp hangers but i guess time is a good healer.
Aneu was CEO of that corporation, why would he clear out the corp hangers?
There were BPOs stolen (ones which Aneu bought) and a Scorpion. This was all done by an ex Planetarion member also, Fenring ________ You What?
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:25:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Agent Kenshin I bet the OP is the guy who scammed 800 billion from everyone in that giant scam that went on back a few months ago.
800 billion loool noway.
High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment |
Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:26:00 -
[136]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
seriously tho. one more "z0mg mc wont kill bob, they are wimps for now throwing away 500b in assets" and i will shoot myself in the head.
So, in three days, can I have your stuff?
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Lexor SLice
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:32:00 -
[137]
was actually a little over 660 billion, but whatever. ____________________________________________
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:33:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Lexor SLice was actually a little over 660 billion, but whatever.
Which was never actually verified as being correct... ----------------------
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:33:00 -
[139]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken if someone contacts sel with a main, shows a serious plan of action and goal, (even if thats just "gank them and make them hurt", and most importantly; show us the isk.
You can have everyone of your members keep repeating this on the forums...
Or, you can actually own up to NOT being even remotely courteous in replying to ppl who attempt to contact you... ____________________ MOGarmy
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Joe Bloggers
Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:33:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Agent Kenshin I bet the OP is the guy who scammed 800 billion from everyone in that giant scam that went on back a few months ago.
He was caught selling it on ebay and his char is banned. Check market forums for more information Just an Average Joe! |
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Agent Kenshin
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:35:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Joe Bloggers
Originally by: Agent Kenshin I bet the OP is the guy who scammed 800 billion from everyone in that giant scam that went on back a few months ago.
He was caught selling it on ebay and his char is banned. Check market forums for more information
I need to pay more attention to those forums sometimes. Might as well got lots of free time while in the computer lab here. -----
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weixing
Deep Space Productions
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:37:00 -
[142]
they couldnt even beat iac, why would they accept a contract against an even harder foe. their rep would be shattered,..even more. plus they are bob lapdogs, they bite thier master they get thrown outside.
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weixing
Deep Space Productions
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:38:00 -
[143]
corp ticker on now ^^ <<
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:39:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Kaiu
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken if someone contacts sel with a main, shows a serious plan of action and goal, (even if thats just "gank them and make them hurt", and most importantly; show us the isk.
You can have everyone of your members keep repeating this on the forums...
Or, you can actually own up to NOT being even remotely courteous in replying to ppl who attempt to contact you...
Out of interest when was this how many people did he contact? Remember Eve is a game people do have real lives as strange as that sounds.
Alot of people who want prices on contracts come into Frick's public channel. I never saw anyone? If someone does and i'm online I will be more than willing to speak to them and get an answer as soon as possible.
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:39:00 -
[145]
Originally by: sidthesexist
Aneu was CEO of that corporation, why would he clear out the corp hangers?
There were BPOs stolen (ones which Aneu bought) and a Scorpion. This was all done by an ex Planetarion member also, Fenring
KM was the CEO, aneu was just acting CEO. Its very easy to blaim this on morden who has left the game
Also isn't sidthesexist another of aneu's alts?
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:39:00 -
[146]
Originally by: weixing they couldnt even beat iac, why would they accept a contract against an even harder foe. their rep would be shattered,..even more. plus they are bob lapdogs, they bite thier master they get thrown outside.
*sigh*
I guess I'll have to tie you to register 12 for your main to come find you. I'm gonna run out of rope at this rate.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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King Leonidas
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:41:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: sidthesexist
Aneu was CEO of that corporation, why would he clear out the corp hangers?
There were BPOs stolen (ones which Aneu bought) and a Scorpion. This was all done by an ex Planetarion member also, Fenring
KM was the CEO, aneu was just acting CEO. Its very easy to blaim this on morden who has left the game
Also isn't sidthesexist another of aneu's alts?
Yup.
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:53:00 -
[148]
hot **** those chat logs were a real eye opener...
oh wait
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:53:00 -
[149]
Derailing team in action ?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:58:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
Choo choo!
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Wuubaa
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:59:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Wuubaa on 13/11/2006 18:00:44 "Unlimited funds" ehhh guess that comes from your cap recharger 2 BPO's....
MC donÆt take contracts from alts. IÆm sure theyÆll also flatly refuse to take contracts from some1 who has done nothing but lie and spout rubbish for his entire eve career.
I mean in all honesty whatÆs the likelihood of them actually seeing any of these unlimited funds.
And with your past track record you have no room what so ever to make any claim about what any1 says as being lies or distorted truths.
Ill tell you what aneu just go away. Come back when youÆve stopped lying, hiding behind random troll alts, and learnt the difference between reality and fitments of your imagination, then and only then may anything you say be taken even vaguely seriously.
I await a mail from the mods about how I made your buuhuu and they need to tell me off.
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:01:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are? ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:03:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: Kaiu
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken if someone contacts sel with a main, shows a serious plan of action and goal, (even if thats just "gank them and make them hurt", and most importantly; show us the isk.
You can have everyone of your members keep repeating this on the forums...
Or, you can actually own up to NOT being even remotely courteous in replying to ppl who attempt to contact you...
Out of interest when was this how many people did he contact? Remember Eve is a game people do have real lives as strange as that sounds.
Alot of people who want prices on contracts come into Frick's public channel. I never saw anyone? If someone does and i'm online I will be more than willing to speak to them and get an answer as soon as possible.
I can't speak for him 100% but i know for a fact he followed your Websites guide for a quote on hiring your services and also emailed Seleene and others ingame on many occasions with no response what so ever ____________________ MOGarmy
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Raste
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:13:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
Leo McGarry.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:18:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Raste
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
Leo McGarry.
No no thats for recruitment
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:20:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
People, who have no stong bounds with any alliance. Ready to strike without "give us plan" or "we are afraid of losing station" at their client will.
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:21:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
People, who have no stong bounds with any alliance. Ready to strike without "give us plan" or "we are afraid of losing station" at their client will.
Name names. ----------------------------------------
Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK |
Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:22:00 -
[158]
Just fantastic:
I can see Seleene's inbox now.
Alt hi i pay you to fight bob name youre price i have unlimited isk but i have other merc who will fight for 100m per week convo me now i am going to log ps. do you have paypal account? i can pay in cash
The only fitting response is: Convo Leo McGarry to join Contraband.
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:23:00 -
[159]
seleene has betrayed our trust!
death to the MC!
join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis. |
Ynno
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:30:00 -
[160]
"True mercenary"? Being a mercenary just means you accept money to fight, it doesn't mean you'll fight anyone for money to the exclusion of all other considerations. Do you think most mercenaries in real life will kill their own families or friends for money? Are they true mercenaries? Do MC accept money in exchange for fighting alliances and corps? Yes. Therefore MC are true mercenaries. I'm not saying MC won't accept contracts against BoB (I have no idea whether they would or not), but choosing not to fight certain entities doesn't make you a "fake" mercenary.
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Mi Lai
Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:32:00 -
[161]
Why is it of so much concern to others how MC is doing business?
IRL, the way I conducted my business was purely my own decision. It was totally up to myself to decide wether or not I found a job/contract in my business interest or not.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:35:00 -
[162]
If it's true then it IS a bit sad.
Even though I understand MC.
Real mercenaries fight long distance from home.
Killing BOB would get a war in their backyard.
Let's just say MC are different than the others Mercenaries.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:43:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Evil Thug Derailing team in action ?
We can get back on topic easily enough! How about you tell us who you think the 'true mercenaries' are?
People, who have no stong bounds with any alliance. Ready to strike without "give us plan" or "we are afraid of losing station" at their client will.
Name names.
MC was one.
They aren't anymore.
They are *just* a quite mobile force that you can engage to make your dirty stuff if your enemies are the MC's enemies.
We (aAa) could do this - did this?
*/me hands the DBP paycheck with the small note - Please bbq AXE*
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:44:00 -
[164]
i think the proper line of thought here would be :
how much money/crap would it take to get MC To attack BoB. Because A.) Would be a very expensive and long campaign. B.) Risk has to be compensated heavily by reward. C.) What would MC stand to lose/gain from a contract vs BOB?
Aside from the general rumors of MC and BOB are sleeping together, or MC have alts in BOB and vice versa. The above is pretty much why it wont happen unless you offer MC and ungodly amount of resources. That's my general consensus about the OP's voiced opinion.
Just because they turn you down doesn't mean they arent mercs. It just means you didnt wet their appetite enough -_-. ----------------------------------------------- <3 conspiracy theories. Originally by: Omeega We (aAa) could do this - did this? */me hands the DBP paycheck with the small note - Please bbq AXE*
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:55:00 -
[165]
OMG
Ok seriously some idiots here. I have already seen most of the answers to all the questions that have been asked but still people seem to be just blind to things so I will address them again as clearly as is possible.
First off:
MERCENARIES BY DEFINITION = NOT BLOODY NICE PEOPLE
WE KILL FOR ISK, ISK, ISK.
We are not some charity where if you come to us with a contract and we jump right on it. WHY WOULD WE?
So lets look at the bob contract, the holy grail.
Yes if we were based on the other side of the galaxy, or weren't based at all in 0.0 a contract on bob would be a lot easier and cheaper, we would be more open to different goals and ideas.But we are not. No one denies this, its not some tin hat stupidity, some uber secret that only you know about and feel the need to repeat it everytime.
We have a deal with bob for our space, just as we make a deal with every other group that approach us for a contract, we do this, you pay us for it, no need to be secret best buddys and sleep with each other afterwards.
Back on track, a contract on bob:
Money: A lot... god **** a big freaking pile of it. MC are not cheap and to take a contract on bob would be no walk in the park. Why? Yes because of the outposts, you sir are a genius!
If you want to us to take on bob the fee has to cover our costs, cover the outposts, cover the time and logistics of relocating, and make us filthy rich. WE WILL DO THAT, if you bring the money.
But with bob yes its true theres a second catch.
The Plan.
With normal contracts we are fairly open, if you just want us to disrupt an area thats fine, take an outpost sure, go mine out jita awesome. With bob as I have said above the consequences are so huge there is no **** way we will go through it all just to take a 2 week contract roaming delve. Its that simple, we are not going to put everything we have built on the line, even if it is all covered in isk terms for something that will accomplish nothing. Its not worth it.
When we say we want a plan we mean a full out, everything covered plan for the destruction of bob. Thats basically it. Unless you come to the table and say heres what you need to do meanwhile us, these guys, those guys, and their mothers, will also come and take over this, then we are not interested.
If you want us to take on bob, you need isk, you need to show us that what we will be doing will be worth it for us and we need to be convinced that it will go ahead.
Otherwise = why should we.
Perfectly blunt, we fight for pay, we have a **** good time doing it and are willing to fight anyone but we are not going to throw away everything unless its worth it and theres a chance of success.
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Minnow maught
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:57:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Minnow maught on 13/11/2006 18:59:55 What I don't understand is why BOB don't attack MC? forget the other way around.
MC have some nice shinny outposts that BOB could add to their collection, MC have openly admitted that for the right price and with the right plan they would do it ... If MC thinks it's the right plan then it would probably be very effective against BOB. Any other alliance that knew they had a potential time bomb sat on their back door would take action, WHY doesn't BOB think that?
Most alliances want to gain something out of a relationship. MC gain their mining systems, what do BOB get from the relationship?
EDit .... ok Loxy just answered 50% of that
LOL ... I need to take off this darn tinfoil hat.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:03:00 -
[167]
So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
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zincol
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:11:00 -
[168]
o/
me waves to everybody - hi,i just wanted to be in a kiaeddz,smackfest,BoB thread with MC topping.
DPB is the EvE Win Button.
Have fun.
PS - i hired bob agaiest ascn and mc agaiest iac,my unlimited funds ran out.
Seleene wouldnt accept any more manly love
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:12:00 -
[169]
Originally by: DHB WildCat So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
MC have a deal with bob for the space we use. Thats obvious, the deal is between us and is non of your concern. There is nothing wrong with us having such a deal, that is what we do, make deals to take contracts to kill people to make money. Theres no regulating body for the profession that says the only thing we are allowed to do is take contracts.
Why do bob not take our outposts? Maybe because they don't want to? Maybe because they just like us? Yes seriously I said that.
If they decide one day to take our outposts thats their decision, but they know and have said in the past that the MC would give them a hell of a fight for them and we would do our best to, again putting this bluntly, **** them the hell up for it .
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:15:00 -
[170]
Give all your billions to me, I'll attack BoB for you
Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:16:00 -
[171]
Originally by: DHB WildCat So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
For the effort of taking those 4 stations, what would we gain? A part of our own space that we dealt away?
Hardly seems worth it, no?
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hantwo
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:17:00 -
[172]
Originally by: zincol o/
me waves to everybody - hi,i just wanted to be in a kiaeddz,smackfest,BoB thread with MC topping.
DPB is the EvE Win Button.
Have fun.
PS - i hired bob agaiest ascn and mc agaiest iac,my unlimited funds ran out.
Seleene wouldnt accept any more manly love
thats a lie! we all know the IAC contract was bull
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:19:00 -
[173]
Originally by: zincol o/
me waves to everybody - hi,i just wanted to be in a kiaeddz,smackfest,BoB thread with MC topping.
DPB is the EvE Win Button.
Have fun.
PS - i hired bob agaiest ascn and mc agaiest iac,my unlimited funds ran out.
Seleene wouldnt accept any more manly love
So your the bastard that didn't pay up
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:24:00 -
[174]
Originally by: LoxyRider
Originally by: DHB WildCat So according to loxy MC has a deal with BoB so that BoB doesnt squish em like a little bug and take thier outposts from them. Interesting, well it looks like a lot of people were right about MC, or else they are BoB slaves too. I dont know, I dont have ALL the facts but from what has been said by people this is what I have come to believe is true.
WildCat
MC have a deal with bob for the space we use. Thats obvious, the deal is between us and is non of your concern. There is nothing wrong with us having such a deal, that is what we do, make deals to take contracts to kill people to make money. Theres no regulating body for the profession that says the only thing we are allowed to do is take contracts.
Why do bob not take our outposts? Maybe because they don't want to? Maybe because they just like us? Yes seriously I said that.
If they decide one day to take our outposts thats their decision, but they know and have said in the past that the MC would give them a hell of a fight for them and we would do our best to, again putting this bluntly, **** them the hell up for it .
Forget it. He's just spouting off wellknown facts facts to make him self look good.
Had we made a deal with D2, or some other allience the same junk would spew forth from the tinfoil hat squad again and again. Pointing out the obvious, and then using that to imply that we are so and so's lap dog's.
Don't bother argueing with them, there so intertwined with there consperisy theroys that no amount of common sence will take a hold of them.
Once you figure that out, its best to point your virtual finger in thier faces and laugh at them. I've been doing it the whole thread and have been having a ball.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:31:00 -
[175]
Ok, enough of my grocery-store inspired shenanigans, though I remind the community that this particular round of attacks on the MC was spurred by an alt post meant to do exactly that. I would think that, were the offer legit, Sel would have at least told us about it. As has been stated "LAWL I HAV ISKS PLZ SHO0T bOB ktHX," or something of a similar level of intellectual and linguistic rigor would have been tossed out and probably not even read.
Now, what are we really doing here, aside from shooting off at the mouth? What is the debate, and what is at stake? In order to have a constructive dialogue (yea, I know, ****ing in the wind and all) you need to have a clear idea of what is even being argued by both sides.
First, this post was made in the out-of-character forums, yet most of the discussion is rather in-character. Let me explain. We, the Mercenary Coalition, are ROLEPLAYERS. That's right, kids, we're right up there with CVA, UK, and Morsus Mihi ( Yes, I know.). We pretend to be spaceship-flying mercenaries in an online computer game. We don't kill people for money in real life (afaik ). So let's decide where to discuss this. Is this an in-character or out-of-character discussion, because there is a giant difference there. Since the OP was made in this forum, let's assume it's OOC.
Alright, the discussion is now OOC. That means game mechanics are fair territory. In order to remain relevant as a military entity in EVE, the Mercenary Coalition cannot race Chribba for the Veldspar in the Amarr Throne Worlds forever. We need 0.0 access, outposts for various construction, mining, research and...Sharky tasks, and reasonable safety. The game mechanics demand this if we are to remain economically and industrially viable in the capital age of EVE. We are not content to sit around ganking targets in Empire all day long (thoug from time to time it is rather fun). We want to be able to take on large groups and, as someone put it, "punch well above [our] weight class."
What are the options of an entity looking for 0.0 access? First, there is always joining a territorial alliance. Or, a group such as ourselves could strike out on our own, beat someone senseless and claim space, thus becoming a territorial alliance ourselves with all the risks and politics that entails (thus removing any hint of neutrality). Finally, such an entity may strike a reasonable economic deal with a power that controls a great deal of 0.0 space, and in exchange for payment, the mercenary entity may exist in a small portion of that space and do what they wish. From an RP mercenary's point of view, the last option really seems the most appealing, especially considering that there are no other options available except getting left behind, which we flatly refuse to do. Say what you like about our relationship with BoB. I believe that we would take a contract against them for the right price, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters to me.
The only reason that responding to this thread is at all an issue, imho, is that our detractors will take any opportunity they can to snipe at us, and to us, more than most other alliances, public image is everything. I would hate for a newer player in the EVE political spectrum to listen to the pure vitriol that gets heaped at us on these forums and think for a moment that it is anywhere near the truth of the matter.
Take your flaming, your trolling, and your alts somewhere else. For people interested in who we really are, talk to our former clients (those who were not anonymous) or even many of our targets, and they will tell you that we are professional, first and foremost, and that when we attack, it is almost never personal, but simply business.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Minnow maught
Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:38:00 -
[176]
Originally by: LoxyRider
MC have a deal with bob for the space we use. Thats obvious, the deal is between us and is non of your concern.
Thats why I doubt very much that you would realistically receive a contract against BoB. Any potential customer will be asking themselves :
Does the deal mean shopping me in and turning on me after I have revealled my master plan?
Now this isn't meant as tinfoilhattery (new word?). I think MC are well respected and trustworthy but when they would potentially lay so much on the line, be fighting 'friends' and there is the backdrop of an unknown agreement between the potentially hired mercs and the target then I don't think we will ever see this epic potential battle .... To many risks / unknowns for the client.
It's a pity because if the plan and the resources brought to MC's disposal were enough to tempt them then this would be awesome to behold.
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Zatire
Raven Talons
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:11:00 -
[177]
So when can we get some proof on this unlimted wallet?
Highly amusing thread.
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Proconsul Para
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:15:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Omeega could anyone quote what i said?
Originally by: Omeega Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
There you go, mate. Dosvedania.
Originally by: thoth foc breaking news.. BL has stolen DICE's beer supplies
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:15:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Omeega
MC was one.
They aren't anymore.
They are *just* a quite mobile force that you can engage to make your dirty stuff if your enemies are the MC's enemies.
That doesn't make any sense. Just look at our last several contracts. Were IAC our enemies? Were NMTZ our enemies? Were FZN, Veto and the Establishment our enemies? The answer in every case is no. Our loyalties are exactly the same as they were a year ago - to ourselves and to ISK.
Quote:
We (aAa) could do this - did this?
I respect aAa's abilities and know you're good fighters. However, 'could do' is worth nothing. You have no idea whether you actually can do something until you do it.
Ok. my choice of using the word "Enemy" was not very inteligent from me. I should have said "be sure that your enemies are not MC's friends".
My 'could do' is worth something.
I might be wrong but what i see is realy a mobile hardcore pvp force who can't lose their lands because no one wants to fight bob, yet.
And please don't misunderstand me. I have lots of friends and therefore lots of respect for the MC.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:19:00 -
[180]
pwned :/
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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DirtyHarry
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:28:00 -
[181]
nananananananana FORUM WARS
sorry just had to
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Kastar
Chronodynamics
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:28:00 -
[182]
I'm very fond of the ingame politics, but what I still don't get is why people still make an issue out of MC being based where they are now and not having taken a contract on Bob yet.
They are a Merc Alliance, they messed with the best and bit powerful ankles around the galaxy. What exactly is wrong with setting up shop in what's probably the safest place in the galaxy to make it as hard as possible on potential enemies ? In the end, they are still a group that needs to be managed and from the looks of it, they are indeed managed very well.
Because of the above, I don't see any problem with them being at least hesitant to take on a contract against immediate neighbours or hosts. I say specifically "OR", since the nature of the agreement is between them.
It's wonderful that some people can push the tinfoil hattery to it's limit while overlooking the simplest explanation. Occam's Razor anyone ?
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:30:00 -
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I think too many ppl mistake "mercs" for "Knights in shining armour"
picking and choosing what contracts they take sounds exactly like "true merc" IMO
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:36:00 -
[184]
MC is basically in very much the same position as RL Blackwater. True, Blackwater is def mercenaries, taking contracts from federal law enforcement agencies, the Department of Defense, Department of State, and Department of Transportation, US local and state entities, multi-national corporations, and US friendly nations from all over the globe. Since Blackwater is a US corporation, it'd be pretty silly to accept a contract from a nation hostile to the US, or someone who seeks to destroy its hometown There are limits to any mercenary outfit. The truth is; you cant really be a merc that is 100% independent.
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:50:00 -
[185]
You want BoB dead ? This is your answer: go to the mercenary list, find the best in the list. Now work out which are the best and order your list. From those substract MC. Add MC to your enemy list. Let's say you are now left with A, B, C, D, E mercenary corporations. Hire all these at once on a common contract against the duality of BoB and MC. Present to them a strong plan, and precise purposes like blowing up outposts, number of kills, disrupting a certain areas operations both military and industrial. That's it.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 20:58:00 -
[186]
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:07:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
We are in it for a profit. Thats our role, taking a contract on bob would be a huge risk therefore the huge price tag and conditions.
Im sorry but thats just all there is to it. You can trying to bend the situation all you like, try to make it look complicated with all these backroom deals and so on but its not, its very very simple.
I really like how thoth put it tbh:
Quote: I think too many ppl mistake "mercs" for "Knights in shining armour" picking and choosing what contracts they take sounds exactly like "true merc" IMO
We will take a contract on bob, mail me if you have the isk and the plan.
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Karmic
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:09:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:13:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
Don't even bother. A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored ____________
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:14:00 -
[190]
Originally by: maGz
Don't even bother. A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:16:00 -
[191]
Well what Evil Thug said...
I feel exactly the same.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:19:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ? [/QUOTE]
Well, it seems that ASCN has money, a plan (to an extent), some friends, and brass ones (well, in a manner of speaking). Bang up job they're doing, eh?
Everyone who hires us has money, most have a plan, some have the balls to fly with us into combat, and plenty have friends, it's just that they need that something extra that we provide, usually condensed pwn in a can and a cool banner.
Quote: Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
No. This is a bad analogy. We are not asking a targeted individual to pay us, nor do we face real-life consequences (Russian jail). We are also well-known to EVE, so stand a much more likely chance to get some potential client than random video gamer guy who offers to streak the Kremlin. Also, read my huge post about how our decision-making processes work much differently in EVE than irl.
Quote: Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
How about, "We have a mutually beneficial relationship which we will not jeapordize unless we have some very good assurances that we will not wind up homeless and broke once the retaliation for this is done." A good plan would also potentially involve some way to keep us from losing our home at all. It's not about meatshields, it's about not doing something idiotic.
Quote: Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
I sincerely doubt that and imagine you are low on evidence to back it up. We won't "work with BoB" unless they want to take it upon themselves to contract us, same as anybody else. ASCN HC understand that, it would seem, as they have us set blue and we have reciprocated. They get the fact that we are not interested in helping BoB without a contract.
Somehow, I predict that conceding what you are looking for a concession on (which is ill-founded and incorrect for the reasons above) would be followed by a rash of "Z0MG MC ISNT NY00TRAL! LOLLERSKATEZ AND TINFOIL! WHEEE!" posts. I think you overestimate the maturity and logical capacity of your average EVE-O forum *****.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:20:00 -
[193]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: LoxyRider Chances of finding someone with the money, plan, friends and the balls are slim. But that is just not the MC's fault.
Why this man would need MC if he is got already everything to win ?
Of course, i can take MC position and say : I will run through Red Square in Moscow naked, if Bill Gates will transfer 1b $ to my bank account, but somehow i doubt that this will happen. Same here. Noone will bother to buy MC services against BoB, if it will cost 120b (price of 4 outposts, i`m not counting assets here). You knew about this, despite that - you put yourself in that position AND continue to stating "we do what our client wants".
Just state : "Yes, we have strong ties with bob. We wont attack them in any case, because we want our own sandbox to play in. If somebody contact MC, and we know that enemy is unable to hit us - we are signing contract. If enemy can hit us back we will sign contract only if our contractor will provide us with loads of meatshield, otherwise we are too afraid of losing our "omg, we are teh destructor" status".
Everybody is ok with MC working with BoB, but many people smacking you because while you are doing that, you are stating that you are innocent sheep. I hope that this is clear enough for you.
Don't even bother. A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored
If you come to us with "Shoot bob" you will be turned away, even for a large contract sum and the isk to cover our certain losses its just not worth the hassle of loosing our space.
If you come with a plan that has the backing of alliances and corps, that we can see something is actually going to happen, that our input will actually mean something and we are not going to throw everything away just to be left alone to fight against bob then we are interested.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:22:00 -
[194]
eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:25:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:30:00 -
[196]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:32:00 -
[197]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
Good friends with IAC? I wouldn't say that. IIRC there were some trying to take out our people as we left, and there was talk of wanting to kill a freighter or two of ours. Honestly, I think it's a matter of proximity and ability. It's not the aftermath of a campaign against BoB that is likely to be costly, but the prosecution of the war itself. Look at the map and you'll understand. In fighting BoB, the best defense in their case is a good offense against us, and we have lots of assets in easy striking distance. Even after the contract they would be understandably hesitant to just hand us back our stuff and let us live in the middle of that big smear of blue on Josh's map.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:35:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
It might happen with BoB, it might not. Who knows? We like our targets to think that it's nothing personal, but that doesn't always happen. Why should we bother finding out what BoB would do when we have 20 other well-paid contracts that have less potential to cause hassle for us? It's just common sense. ----------------------------------------
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:38:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
If you engaged your brain and read the entirety of the thread you might realise that currently the discussion is about just that - MC shooting BoB. Not to destroy them, just shooting them 'til their ships die from it.
In which case - Omeegas analogy is on spot.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:39:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Julien Derida
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
It might happen with BoB, it might not. Who knows? We like our targets to think that it's nothing personal, but that doesn't always happen. Why should we bother finding out what BoB would do when we have 20 other well-paid contracts that have less potential to cause hassle for us? It's just common sense.
well the other contracts are against alliances wich are much weaker than BOB and wich won't come bother you in your own lands as you have BOB near your house.
But again, understand me well - im seleene's #1 fan same for lots of the MC guys. I'm not here to cause trouble.
You know what im capable of and i'm realy staying civil and constructive without any efforts :)
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:41:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
Oh yah we forgot that dread rushes were for the bonus aspect of the contract not the contract itself
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:42:00 -
[202]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
If you engaged your brain and read the entirety of the thread you might realise that currently the discussion is about just that - MC shooting BoB. Not to destroy them, just shooting them 'til their ships die from it.
In which case - Omeegas analogy is on spot.
Just their ships? I'd question the client's sanity in that instance. Pay an alliance who loves pvp to shoot at another alliance who loves pvp. If we could have assurances that capitals wouldn't be involved on either side, I think that's a whole different discussion. As a matter of fact, I am reasonably sure someone mentioned this earlier.
Your vague argument makes us answer for all possible contingencies while you can immediately fall back to the single subset of the vague argument that allows you the greatest rhetorical advantage.
Narrow it down and we can discuss it in a reasonable fashion. I have no problem discussing the MC and our policies, so long as people behave themselves. So let's keep it civil, and we'll talk.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:44:00 -
[203]
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
IAC are not all that close to our space and we had/have no continuing arrangements with them. We were impressed with their response and hold the contract as a very good one. As far as I know IAC have no real ill feelings and have set us to neutral so we have of course done the same.
BOB are right next door, and we of course have the arrangement which gives us our space to use. If we accepted a contract against them (which would therefore be one to pose a serious threat to bob) and they prevailed I would expect them to take our stations etc... Heck if they feel that we were just doing our jobs and were willing to go back to good standings then that would be pretty nice too and I am sure we would follow. But we can hardly accept a contract on them counting on them saying "oh well thats fine, you can continue to stay in period basis and we wont attack back".
I really don't see why this is so complicated, is there anything not straight forward and so obvious in what I typed?
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:44:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
oh god, you're talking about my brain.
when you can't even f**king read the number one post of the thread.
talk about a hamster IQ you got there.
p.s. brain turned on or off.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:44:00 -
[205]
Quite honestly the OP of this thread hasnt even come here with any proof yet that he even came to us for a quote and isn't just trying to cause trouble.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:46:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho Quite honestly the OP of this thread hasnt even come here with any proof yet that he even came to us for a quote and isn't just trying to cause trouble.
pretty true yeah. but still i think it's a crusty and interesting point the alt made :)
anyways, I am going to sleep.
See you all ;)
♥
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:47:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/11/2006 21:48:32
Originally by: maGz A lot of people have made posts like yours and we still get the same thing thrown back - MC need a plan. Yet everytime I ask what exactly kind of plan they expect, I somehow become invisible/ignored
I'd be looking for a plan all the way through to the occupation of Period Basis and southern Delve. Given our location in PB, any contract against BOB would have to be one they couldn't get back up from. What would the role be of the force you saw us deploy in G-7WUF, a force that IAC+AXE+misc were able to outblob on the second part of POS sieges, in your plan to knock BOB out?
Myn
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:48:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Omeega
well the other contracts are against alliances wich are much weaker than BOB and wich won't come bother you in your own lands as you have BOB near your house.
But again, understand me well - im seleene's #1 fan same for lots of the MC guys. I'm not here to cause trouble.
You know what im capable of and i'm realy staying civil and constructive without any efforts :)
Thank you for staying civil Omeega. You know we all <3 you (especially Waagaa) :)
As to your first point - yes, we do mostly fight against people weaker than BoB. So do almost everyone in the game (including aAa). It's not always about the biggest challenge all the time, or you'd be fighting BoB right now instead of AXE ;). ----------------------------------------
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Yodaron Ballsithor
Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:53:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 13/11/2006 21:58:03
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor
Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Omeega eh.
plus i remember p.ex for the IAC campaign you left good friends with IAC no? much respect etc "nothing personnal".
but that couldn't be done with BOB?
/me waits anxiously for the response to this one... Kinda caught you guys there
The difference, kind reader, is that the IAC campaign had nothing to do with destroying IAC and the plan suggested by the original poster did.
Engaging your brain is very helpful when trying to determine if an analogy is appropriate or not. This one is not.
If you engaged your brain and read the entirety of the thread you might realise that currently the discussion is about just that - MC shooting BoB. Not to destroy them, just shooting them 'til their ships die from it.
In which case - Omeegas analogy is on spot.
Sadly, you are wrong. The thread originated on a plan to attack and destroy BoB. Read again.
Edit: And to clarify for Omega, read the entire thread. MC say that shooting at BoB is useless, and it is given the risks. Hence, the only plan they will consider is destruction of the alliance, therefore, a plan. Given this, obviously the analogy is incorrect.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:19:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor MC say that shooting at BoB is useless
When you are buying bottle of vodka (for example) do you want seller to complain how bad alcohol is ?
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:25:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor MC say that shooting at BoB is useless
When you are buying bottle of vodka (for example) do you want seller to complain how bad alcohol is ?
Our Health minister would most certainly approve it. We would not ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:32:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor MC say that shooting at BoB is useless
When you are buying bottle of vodka (for example) do you want seller to complain how bad alcohol is ?
What about cigarettes :P
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill Astrophobics
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Posted - 2006.11.13 22:44:00 -
[213]
ET puts in one sentence what most people would explain in ten paragraphs
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Kaleeb
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 00:10:00 -
[214]
Why would we take a contract to shoot ourselves kinda foolish really
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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Myndpyre Ryche
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 00:41:00 -
[215]
I'm dying to simply post "Show me the money!!!" but I will be good and just ask to see the logs instead.
. . . then again, I really wouldn't mind seeing the money too.
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 00:46:00 -
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Seleene already addressed this months ago - it's been linked to twice in this very thread. Seems as though the alt brigade either can't read or prefers not to.
Either way, to the OP: you're right, the MC are not real mercenaries. When you've learned how to read, please find the merc thread in C&P (I think) and buy yourself some real merc's to destroy BoB with your "unlimited" wallet.
Just make sure you do it before Spring, because if you haven't heard BoB is going to quit en masse and play Pirates of the Burning Butthole or some such nonsense.
(why I even bother sometimes is quite beyond me...) LM
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Xander Magnus
Caldari Wolf Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.11.14 01:35:00 -
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Well, this is an interesting discussion, and it comes down to this:
An unknown alt posts about MC not accepting his offer, which means that they aren't true mercenaries, because true mercenaries take on every contract...
For the love of all that is sane, mercenaries have no loyalty, that's all there is too it! They are only loyal to themselves, and take whatever contract they see fit to take. They're earning ISK aren't they? So appearently they're doing alright in the contract area. They have some nice stations, they can get the capital ships they need for the bigger contracts to make even more money and they have a stable environment to ensure money making in the future. Now why would they throw it all away for ONE stupid contract!? Now if you could make it worth their while they would look into it, THAT's what they mean with the plan. And THAT's your answer, and a very logical one at that.
I don't know who made up that rule about true mercenaries, but some romantic idea about it doesn't make it true. Don't whine if they don't take your contract, because I can't imagine ONE lonely EVE-player could have the isk and the plan to make it worth it.
If you read through this thread you'll see adult conversation and arguments with in between people simply shouting: You're not real mercenaries, stop saying you need a plan! Why do they need to stop saying that when it's true? And all the answers you need are in here, if you don't like it, go hire someone else. But please don't ask them to burn down their houses and offer nothing but an imaginary bag of gold in return. |
War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 01:53:00 -
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At the end of the day The MC will still get contracts, we'll earn our money and we'll have fun, tin foil hatters be ****ed.
I'd like to ask how many merc forces in real life have a navy? How many privately owned carriers are out there these days? Our clients demand big ships delivering big booms and, well, we deliver. Do you think we can operate the way we do living in empire mission running between contracts? In order to step up to the next level we needed a home in 0.0. Anyone who thinks an organization such as this can operate without real 0.0 access is a loon.
To date there is no other merc group that can compete with The MC's capital operations. Our clients know this and are happy to fork over the isk. If the client is happy and we get paid ... well that's just a good day and another fu to the tin foil hat haters squadron. Puts a smile on my face every time.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.14 02:37:00 -
[219]
This particular discussion is like an unprovoked at attack against a horse that is already dead.
But I will stick to my opinion and say that MC will never take a contract against BOB, regardless of how good the plan is, how much money is offered and how free their schedule is.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 02:46:00 -
[220]
people want to see mc fight bob, is what it comes down to. people believe we are both uber, and that it would be a sort of glorious battle. it could not be. Mc are shocktroops, as has been said. we are few in number. Bob is a pvp powerhouse, vast. MC alone simply can not kill bob.
come to me with half a dozen good alliances with a good plan to kill BOB and the money to hire us,and we can seriously discuss a contract. until then; good day, sir!
bawk!!!
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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Jirad TiSalver
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:09:00 -
[221]
Dude just save your money and remember:
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:14:00 -
[222]
Can't believe this is still going.
MC ARE real mercenaries? You know why? It's because we do work that's profitable.
See, back in the day, we Amarrians used to have slaves. Now we're reformed and we pay our slaves but they still have to do what we tell them to. Now mercenaries are free people. We just make the choice at times to attend to other people's goals for ISK.
But if we don't think something will be profitable to us, we reserve the right to not accept a contract. Or maybe we just don't like the contract. It might be boring. You know, Seleene starting to test her guns on her own corpmates out of boredom has probably caused more to BDCI than all of our contract losses together. *mourns Drax' Vagabond*
So yes, we are true bastards, we are smart mercs. If we don't like the contract you will be respectfully told to take your ISK elsewhere. If we think we cannot pull something off, we will tell you to take your ISK elsewhere or to adjust your goals, etc.
Actually, we might need to start charges for strategic consultancy... I smell a business opportunity... -
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 14/11/2006 03:38:01 Man, people really smoke a lot of cheap drugs (EDIT: they wouldn't let me say the drug I wanted to say) around here. They love to make up rules, act like they are God's decree, and then yell at other people for not following them.
I don't feel like reading the 8 pages on this post so I am just going to repeat what has probably already been said.
Since when have mercenaries been required to take any contract as long as it paid? That's like saying you could hire the A-Team to assassinate the President.
Where do people come up with this stuff? I guess it's a common misconception that mercs only care about money, but I think it's one of the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. There are dozens of considerations that could come into play regarding whether a merc corp would accept a contract. Not only tactical concerns but moral concerns. I know plenty of mercs that have codes of conduct and are very honorable.
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Rift Scorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:36:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Rift Scorn on 14/11/2006 03:36:18 ...
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.14 05:12:00 -
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Even if one was to assume for a moment that the OP is telling the truth, the fact that he went crying to the forums about it only validates the MC's decision to say no.
As is their right.
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Trina Tron
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 06:30:00 -
[226]
Edited by: Trina Tron on 14/11/2006 06:30:17 I offered dri 1 isk to get me some pie! He said NO WAY. What I want to know is why dose my ceo love pie so much that he wont let me eat it. Why wont he accept my 1 isk to get me my pie he must love pie so much he'd do whatever pie says. This is totally not neutral so mc is not neutral and thus not real space mercenaries because real space mercenaries would get me pie for 1 isk. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
*Locked*
Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums.
Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 06:45:00 -
[227]
I for one welcome my pie-hoarding overlord.
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Skelator
Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Chrony Edited by: Chrony on 13/11/2006 11:10:14 Im very sure that MC would accept a contract against us for the right price, and I would probably love to fight them.
The problem is that you have to present them a plan. YES you actually have to think about what you want them to do and not just tell them to shoot someone. Considering that such a contract would put their outposts in Period Basis in danger it would have to be a good plan too.
PS: BUT I wouldnt accept a contract from an alt character either.
No Offense Flameage or anything of the sort But..
You claim MC need to know the entire plan right?
Whats to stop MC (who have NEVER accepted a contract against BOB EVER) from taking all the Plans and Objectives,The involved parties,The Dates,The times and places and saying No thanks.
Then running to laugh with their BOB Allies as they Offer their Rejected Contractors plans laid out bare for all BOB to see and plan against in the Future???.
TBH I wouldnt give Any Merc corp my entire Game Plan as it would be too Easy for them to deny me then sell/give them to my enemies.
Just Common Sense.
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Bizarre
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:01:00 -
[229]
So I'm guessing Aneu is still at work? --------------------
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Nyk0n
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:47:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 13/11/2006 11:41:45
Originally by: Max Teranous
4) We require a plan. "Kill BoB" is not a plan.
Surely MC have been hired before "just" to kill as many as possible. What makes BoB any different? I see this excuse being used every single time someone ask why MC haven't fought BoB, yet it still rings immensely bad in my ears as a bad excuse
EDIT: Added for effect
How many other alliances that they took a contract on to "just kill people" would go take all four of their outposts within the first week of the contract and put a large tower on every moon in those systems just for the hell of it?
I'm not saying we would do that, but we are sure as hell in a position to.
LoL Blacklight, so what your saying is they are under the thumb and know there place?
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Brother Agenos
CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:41:00 -
[231]
Tinfoin Hattage 4 everyone!
This thread takes it.. really.. do you ppl seriously have nothing better to do than to come to theese forums and post some insane things like that. MC afraid of the BoB.. LMAO.
ppl really need to drop all this forum wars and start thinking of a solutions how to stop logoff loosers. Everyone would benefit from that. Theese 8 pages have wasted 15 minutes of my life and i blame the ASCN alt!
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:49:00 -
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At the next FanFest, I'm going to ask Kieron to organize a "Player Panel" after the "Dev Panel". Or maybe before. Then we can put 5-10 people like myself, Molle, Chowdown, LD and a few others up there for the community to grill. As people approach the mic, there will be a little silver hat waiting on you.
Loxy, Crovan and many others have all given excellent responses. I even logged in as my BoB alt earlier to reply as him. Oh, and I've yet to see this "unlimited wallet".
Seriously, folks... eight pages? God, I love this game. -
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Chrony Edited by: Chrony on 13/11/2006 11:10:14 Im very sure that MC would accept a contract against us for the right price, and I would probably love to fight them.
The problem is that you have to present them a plan. YES you actually have to think about what you want them to do and not just tell them to shoot someone. Considering that such a contract would put their outposts in Period Basis in danger it would have to be a good plan too.
PS: BUT I wouldnt accept a contract from an alt character either.
No Offense Flameage or anything of the sort But..
You claim MC need to know the entire plan right?
Whats to stop MC (who have NEVER accepted a contract against BOB EVER) from taking all the Plans and Objectives,The involved parties,The Dates,The times and places and saying No thanks.
Then running to laugh with their BOB Allies as they Offer their Rejected Contractors plans laid out bare for all BOB to see and plan against in the Future???.
TBH I wouldnt give Any Merc corp my entire Game Plan as it would be too Easy for them to deny me then sell/give them to my enemies.
Just Common Sense.
Erm maybe because mercs who don't hold client or potential client confidentiality might as well disband the corp/alliance at that very point. What we do operates on a lot of trust, after all you will hand mercs money to go go do a task, if you can't bring yourself to trust a merc to even keep confidence with you how could you even trust them to perform the alloted task?
As for why would the MC need a plan for fighting BoB well come on think it through. At the end of the contract BoB would have to be in a position where they could never take MCs land in 0.0. Therefore the only scenario that is viable to accept a contract against BoB would be where they are facing a determined and dedicated force who is going to occupy their space. No such force or plan exists in the game so far, note that BoB is fighting ASCN and the other big alliances seem to be washing their hair rather than make a land grab vs BoB. Why does the MC need 0.0, income and manufacturing, you think those Cap ships come from trees?
Not too hard to fathom out really is it.
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Skelator
Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Skelator
Originally by: Chrony Edited by: Chrony on 13/11/2006 11:10:14 Im very sure that MC would accept a contract against us for the right price, and I would probably love to fight them.
The problem is that you have to present them a plan. YES you actually have to think about what you want them to do and not just tell them to shoot someone. Considering that such a contract would put their outposts in Period Basis in danger it would have to be a good plan too.
PS: BUT I wouldnt accept a contract from an alt character either.
No Offense Flameage or anything of the sort But..
You claim MC need to know the entire plan right?
Whats to stop MC (who have NEVER accepted a contract against BOB EVER) from taking all the Plans and Objectives,The involved parties,The Dates,The times and places and saying No thanks.
Then running to laugh with their BOB Allies as they Offer their Rejected Contractors plans laid out bare for all BOB to see and plan against in the Future???.
TBH I wouldnt give Any Merc corp my entire Game Plan as it would be too Easy for them to deny me then sell/give them to my enemies.
Just Common Sense.
Erm maybe because mercs who don't hold client or potential client confidentiality might as well disband the corp/alliance at that very point. What we do operates on a lot of trust, after all you will hand mercs money to go go do a task, if you can't bring yourself to trust a merc to even keep confidence with you how could you even trust them to perform the alloted task?
As for why would the MC need a plan for fighting BoB well come on think it through. At the end of the contract BoB would have to be in a position where they could never take MCs land in 0.0. Therefore the only scenario that is viable to accept a contract against BoB would be where they are facing a determined and dedicated force who is going to occupy their space. No such force or plan exists in the game so far, note that BoB is fighting ASCN and the other big alliances seem to be washing their hair rather than make a land grab vs BoB. Why does the MC need 0.0, income and manufacturing, you think those Cap ships come from trees?
Not too hard to fathom out really is it.
BRAVO!!! Excellent Answer Although I do believe MC could at Least hold their own against BOB seeing as both sides have the same calibur of veteran fighters.
Your answer was really Informative I Salute you.
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Latex Mistress on 14/11/2006 09:18:01
Originally by: Skelator BRAVO!!! Excellent Answer Although I do believe MC could at Least hold their own against BOB seeing as both sides have the same calibur of veteran fighters.
Your answer was really Informative I Salute you.
Thanks for the kind words, but I'm not so sure about the "hold their own". Fact is, our entire alliance is smaller than one really good-sized BoB blob, and I don't think any alliance over 100 people has seen 100% participation (RL and TZ and all). Pride and Prejudice aside, we just couldn't sustain the fight long term.
What people tend not to get is that, we're a 1~2 week player. We make the impact required then we leave. A fight w/ BoB wouldn't be a week or two, it'd be months of constant bombardments and a shed-load of ships being lost on both sides. MC isn't cut out for such a war. Not a slag against us, just that we see where it would go.
Again, thanks for the kind words!
[EDIT] Change "1/2" to "1~2" LM
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Luna Liandri
PPN United
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:43:00 -
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true mercs have to take every contract ? on any target ? true mercs have be totally independent ? and can have no other obligations and relationships ? true mercs are here to save the world of evil BoB ?
sorry this is silly, we have some confuion here with the league of the superheros ...
i would like other entities to have the same feeling for in-game fun as MC obviously has - i sense too much paranoia in here.
sidenote: as a real question i sometimes wondered that MC dont live in NPC-0.0 - but i guess some need for OP/POS-LEGO is in every man (at least in /me sometimes).
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Lo3d3R
Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lo3d3R on 14/11/2006 09:59:32
so the MC is bought and are now BOB minions, SirMolle has listened to my advice, very good. ___________________
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OzaLoni
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 10:52:00 -
[238]
We are here, in ASCN space, feel free to drop by and say hello and please stop trying to get others to do the work you obviously are not capable of doing yourself. Otherwise why ask them in the first place right?
I have lots of respect for the MC, but do you really think they are gonna risk their newly created stations for anything less than the cost of 8 stations? (4 to cover what is lost and 4 for 4 new stations! - in case people can't add up)
Either way, have fun trying to get some merc corp to do your dirty work...
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rebellion on 14/11/2006 12:22:23 Here's a suggested template that anyone can use to get MC to attack BoB, or anyone in the game.
Quote: Hi! MC! I send you this letter to get your advise. I am Prince of Amarr and my deceased father left me a fortune in refined Megacyte. I want to help me gain my inheritance by your assistance through bank account. Please send me your bank account to help me. The plan is:
1. I pay you money to attack to the BoB 2. You attack to the BoB by way of attack. 3. ----- 4. PROFIT!
Just fill out #3 and I'm sure MC will attack anyone for you.
Rebellion-Shere
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King Fury
Caldari New Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:27:00 -
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In short MC will not attack BoB. Even if someone covered the costs of 4-8 outposts + profits, I doubt MC could be trusted given there relationship with BoB.
It would seem foolish to give away all that isk just to attack BoB and you deserve to get stung if you are that naive. A fool and there money are easily parted.
I dont mean to slur MC's good name but they could keep the isk and theres not a lot anyone could do about it as they can handle themselves and they have some pretty mean allies )
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:50:00 -
[241]
Originally by: King Fury In short I am unconvinced and want to state my opinion as unequivocal fact.
Fixed.
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Crovan on 14/11/2006 13:39:02
Originally by: Seleene
Loxy, Crovan and many others have all given excellent responses. I even logged in as my BoB alt earlier to reply as him. Oh, and I've yet to see this "unlimited wallet".
Thanks, boss. For while there I suspected my posts were invisible. Seems that pesky logic and reason allergy has cropped up amongst our beloved forum *****s again. *passes out the Claritin*.
Originally by: Seleene
Client - "You smash them." MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:51:00 -
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Quote: I dont mean to slur MC's good name but they could keep the isk and theres not a lot anyone could do about it as they can handle themselves and they have some pretty mean allies )
Eh? So we would make say 50,100bil Isk and ruin our reputation that has taken over a year to build up? Theres somethings in this game Isk can't buy and that's one of them.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:14:00 -
[244]
I want access to this fabled Unlimited Wallet. Where is it? Can it buy me a Titan? Two Titans? How about a T2 BS BPO?
An ice cream truck maybe? -
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:18:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Seleene I want access to this fabled Unlimited Wallet. Where is it? Can it buy me a Titan? Two Titans? How about a T2 BS BPO?
An ice cream truck maybe?
I think what people actually want is to hear the puffin
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TitusFlamininus
Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:18:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Seleene I want access to this fabled Unlimited Wallet. Where is it? Can it buy me a Titan? Two Titans? How about a T2 BS BPO?
An ice cream truck maybe?
Perhaps you are lucky and the EIB scammer wants to flash his cash? Who knows?
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Nifel
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:27:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Seleene I want access to this fabled Unlimited Wallet. Where is it? Can it buy me a Titan? Two Titans? How about a T2 BS BPO?
An ice cream truck maybe?
You can sate dian's greed! Ah wait...
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:31:00 -
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O.k i think this thread has run its course, the last 3 pages have been reposneses with same stuff in with just different reponses. As it doesnt seem to be developing from there its time to lock this thread. - Thanks Hutch. ____
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