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Warloxx
Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2015.05.20 16:42:03 -
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With all the seemly large amount of complainers on the forums about how poorly CCP has handled Eve development, what would you suggest the next steps that need to be done to start bringing in new Subs? |
Paranoid Loyd
5245
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Posted - 2015.05.20 16:46:14 -
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Ponies, possibly Unicorns. A Panda or two couldn't hurt either.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3947
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Posted - 2015.05.20 16:48:05 -
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A mobile app!!!
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Warloxx
Dominus Imperium
0
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Posted - 2015.05.20 16:57:51 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ponies, possibly Unicorns. A Panda or two couldn't hurt either.
Very well thought out and constructive.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2072
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Posted - 2015.05.20 16:58:55 -
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Warloxx wrote:With all the seemly large amount of complainers on the forums about how poorly CCP has handled Eve development, what would you suggest the next steps that need to be done to start bringing in new Subs?
They need to keep doing what they are doing, which is repair old and underused or incomplete systems, before they expand eve. They might take some hit sin subs, but they need to rebuild the foundation.
Example:
1) POS' (being addressed slowly)
2) Sov (being addressed)
3) Corp and alliance interface and roles (being addressed)
4) remove or adjust stocks
5) revamp or add new mining content
6) repair PI (its an incomplete system)
7) adjust t2 moon goo (personally this needs to become active mining not passive)
8) adjust capitals
9) Finish Dogma and BIAB
10) with 9, keep improving back end to fix performance issues
11) Finish or remove WiS (yes it needs ot be addressed damn it, makes eve feel incomplete)
There are more, but foundation must be fixed, then what CCP should do is focus on the eve unverse and create New Eden. As in, all ccp products tied together for ease of use. On one plat form (anything that will be linked or add to eve MUST be on pc so the eve players cna support the new bros.) They also should bring out stand alone, easy to play and use products, like the eve offline arcade game, prjoect nemisis, etc. Things related to the eve universe but can be stand alone.
Valk and legion/dust shoudl all link and work together with eve, this will enable future competition to have issues.
CCP as a company should eventually relook at WoD. But it should not be a focus.
Repair old stuff, expand eve, expand new eden, add new easy to make stand alone games for a rev boost, then look at your other ip's once New Eden is stable.
Finally, be making an EVE v. 2 which is a complete rewrite. but i would of started that ages ago.
My .02 isk. though alot of this is not nesscarily what they need to do, just what i;'d liek to see. (fix foundation and expand is what needs ot happen, slow expantion)
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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DaReaper
Net 7
2072
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:00:37 -
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twice they tried this, twice it failed.
once in 06 university of Iceland students were making a blackberry/iphone app. They then graduated and project went *pissh*
then in 2013, before they retooled to 'all new eden on pc' which i think they are retooling again.
CCP need sot pick a direction and stick with it lol
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21416
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:08:57 -
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CCP should focus on the starter space forest full of space boars that you may hunt in complete safety, as well as a new space island full of a new wonderous alien panda race, new ships that look like winged robot unicorn zebras that have rainbow sparkle cannons as weapons.. and shoulder fedos.
But they should definitely focus ont eh shoulder fedos first.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2746
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:11:09 -
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The game has Angels, but no angel cake. This imbalance needs to be their top priority.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Warloxx
Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:12:17 -
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I never felt like they did enough over the years for small corps, not all players want to be in Large alliance's and become a number.
From the changes they have made over the years to cater to the Large block alliances it has made it impossible for smaller corporations to get a foothold nearly anywhere, but that is just my opinion.
POS's were suppose to be the stepping stone for those small corps to eventually grow in null, but now with the types of blobs the large alliances can plop down in your front lawn it is simply a very minor road bump. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:15:02 -
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Warloxx wrote:With all the seemly large amount of complainers on the forums about how poorly CCP has handled Eve development, what would you suggest the next steps that need to be done to start bringing in new Subs?
They need to focus on anything else than the seemingly large amount of complainers on the forums. No faster way to ruin something than giving people what they think they want rather than what they actually want.
Give players chunky spaghetti sauce. It's what they actually want. Not what they think they want.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
242
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:23:01 -
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To get NEW players, a few things:
1. NPE, this is obvious. While the NPE is better than it's ever been, it is still clunky and onerous. 2. Cut the crap, stuff like attributes that serve little purpose but confuse newbies should be replaced with more meaningful decision making. 3. Dispel myths, there are a lot of myths out there that say it's too late to start Eve or it's only composed of sociopaths. More PR and Real Stories of Eve to demonstrate what productive Eve gameplay is really like. 4. Brand champions, or KOLs/social influencers. Basically people like me, say Youtubers, except ones with sizeable fanbases and name recognition. If I can get thousands of people to try Eve, I can't imagine what someone like Husky or Day9 could accomplish. I'd imagine tens or even hundreds of thousands. 5. Dust/Legion/Valkyrie, for obvious brand and universe building reasons, and as a differentiating point again the competition.
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Warloxx
Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:34:41 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:To get NEW players, a few things:
1. NPE, this is obvious. While the NPE is better than it's ever been, it is still clunky and onerous. 2. Cut the crap, stuff like attributes that serve little purpose but confuse newbies should be replaced with more meaningful decision making. 3. Dispel myths, there are a lot of myths out there that say it's too late to start Eve or it's only composed of sociopaths. More PR and Real Stories of Eve to demonstrate what productive Eve gameplay is really like. 4. Brand champions, or KOLs/social influencers. Basically people like me, say Youtubers, except ones with sizeable fanbases and name recognition. If I can get thousands of people to try Eve, I can't imagine what someone like Husky or Day9 could accomplish. I'd imagine tens or even hundreds of thousands. 5. Dust/Legion/Valkyrie, for obvious brand and universe building reasons, and as a differentiating point again the competition.
Couldn't agree more with the NPE and the myth's of "it's to late" need to be addressed badly, I have read many stories on other forums of players saying they had no idea what to do after they drop you off with no 'theme park' to follow. Which is sad because of they way MMO's are today with the hand holding until max level.
I have picked up alot of new players in this game and have had to give them direction on which skills to train and and they never had issues with keeping up with the fleets, but that part is also on the new players themselves to seek out that help from players corps and get out of the NPC corps they never leave. |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:42:52 -
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Super Star Destroyers and Deathstars. Restricted one piece per alliance. The ultimate weapon. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8536
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Posted - 2015.05.20 17:51:10 -
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Let them first do the new map right, there are still issues. Scanning must be smooth. For a future let them implement avatar gameplay. They had prototype. Exploration in structures.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
401
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Posted - 2015.05.20 18:19:12 -
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I think CCP is on the right track, 00, Structures, Backend-Performance, ... and the feedback loop works.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3086
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Posted - 2015.05.20 18:26:21 -
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How to turn the mess that is called New Player Experience ... ... into a social contruct that works out of itself.
Freedom is Slavery
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
<===== I wished my bra was green as well - 1024x1024
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6656
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Posted - 2015.05.20 18:34:09 -
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Cake
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Lutz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.20 19:10:06 -
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I think devs focus way too much on tweaking/updating what's already in EVE and too little on adding new cool stuff. New icons or ships or skins, even substantial changes to sov, are basically only tweaking an aspect of the game or barely more than that. Ofc a mmo needs that and regularly and I think EVE is doing it admiringly. But it also needs brand new stuff, it needs something outside the eve box. While being very careful to not change the spirit of the game ofc, that would be catastrophic...but Nordgren seems to understand that well, so time to experiment a bit more IMHO.
And time to bring Dust, Legion, whatever it's called, to the master race. You could make it open, make dev tools available and modders will turn it into the best fps for you, once you include their work in the game, maybe with recurring competitions w/ prizes. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
536
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Posted - 2015.05.20 19:28:05 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ponies, possibly Unicorns. A Panda or two couldn't hurt either.
Perhaps, a secret cow level?
Just imagine a level IV Burner mission filled with Battle Badgers in Thukker Tribe camo (with burner AI), all scrambling and webbing you while frantically broadcasting a garbled string of "Moo! moooo! MOO MOO MOO! Moooooooooo!!!" in drunk Icelandic voices. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2074
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Posted - 2015.05.20 19:39:47 -
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Lutz wrote:I think devs focus way too much on tweaking/updating what's already in EVE and too little on adding new cool stuff. New icons or ships or skins, even substantial changes to sov, are basically only tweaking an aspect of the game or barely more than that. Ofc a mmo needs that and regularly and I think EVE is doing it admiringly. But it also needs brand new stuff, it needs something outside the eve box. While being very careful to not change the spirit of the game ofc, that would be catastrophic...but Nordgren seems to understand that well, so time to experiment a bit more IMHO.
And time to bring Dust, Legion, whatever it's called, to the master race. You could make it open, make dev tools available and modders will turn it into the best fps for you, once you include their work in the game, maybe with recurring competitions w/ prizes.
you were not here before the summer of rage i take it?
CCP adding new stuff will not help eve. Because the old stuff being left to roit is what will kill eve. This was eve before the summer of rage:
2003: ok guys this is our new house! it might be small now, but we will make improvements over time, come on over and hang out.
2011:
Guys we just installed a second story! Whats that? yea i know the walls are sagging, i know the floor is a mess with holes, i know the kitchen remodle is not finished, i know the basement is not finished, i know the yard is not finished, but guys this second story is shiney! We will add more to... no we will then go for a thrid story! (house fals)
Any new stuff being added right now, is just like adding a second story on a house that has a sub par about to fall apart first story. it doenslt add to the valus eof the game, and will quickly see the issues. becuase it has to be built on what was there before. CCP MUST finish fixing the old issues before they can expand. And for some issues, like pos' its been 10 years since that feature was addressed. Let that sink in.
So no, adding new stuff before old is repaired is bad,
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2015.05.20 20:15:47 -
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Large amount of complainers?
There are, what, a couple hundred people that are even minimally active on the forums in a given month, out of a peak-time population on the order of 20 to 30k?
Even if every single one of us was doing nothing but whinging, that wouldn't mean much, man. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2076
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Posted - 2015.05.20 20:41:59 -
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doing what people complain about will cause more complaints, see people whining about 'force projection' then immediately going 'OH GODS NO CCP DON;T NERF MY JUMP DRIVE I DID NOT MEAN IT!' when phoebe fix was announced
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Oracle of Machina
Brave Provisions Brave Collective
12
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Posted - 2015.05.20 21:03:46 -
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New player experience.
There is a great phrase I keep hearing from people. "Wow, this game looks amazing, but I'd never play it, it's too hard to get into." |
Lutz
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.20 23:32:43 -
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DaReaper wrote:Lutz wrote:I think devs focus way too much on tweaking/updating what's already in EVE and too little on adding new cool stuff. New icons or ships or skins, even substantial changes to sov, are basically only tweaking an aspect of the game or barely more than that. Ofc a mmo needs that and regularly and I think EVE is doing it admiringly. But it also needs brand new stuff, it needs something outside the eve box. While being very careful to not change the spirit of the game ofc, that would be catastrophic...but Nordgren seems to understand that well, so time to experiment a bit more IMHO.
And time to bring Dust, Legion, whatever it's called, to the master race. You could make it open, make dev tools available and modders will turn it into the best fps for you, once you include their work in the game, maybe with recurring competitions w/ prizes. you were not here before the summer of rage i take it? CCP adding new stuff will not help eve. Because the old stuff being left to roit is what will kill eve. This was eve before the summer of rage: 2003: ok guys this is our new house! it might be small now, but we will make improvements over time, come on over and hang out. 2011: Guys we just installed a second story! Whats that? yea i know the walls are sagging, i know the floor is a mess with holes, i know the kitchen remodle is not finished, i know the basement is not finished, i know the yard is not finished, but guys this second story is shiney! We will add more to... no we will then go for a thrid story! (house fals) Any new stuff being added right now, is just like adding a second story on a house that has a sub par about to fall apart first story. it doenslt add to the valus eof the game, and will quickly see the issues. becuase it has to be built on what was there before. CCP MUST finish fixing the old issues before they can expand. And for some issues, like pos' its been 10 years since that feature was addressed. Let that sink in. So no, adding new stuff before old is repaired is bad,
The game is 12 years old, it's been "fixed", done, tweaked, re-tweaked, changed and re-changed several times over. If something hasnt been fixed yet for you, they either are unable to or it's just not gonna happen if not by sheer luck. Usually MMOs are never "fixed" for the entire player base anyways, since changes usually please one and displease the other, I'm afraid it's just a case of "deal with it".
And actually, I think, CCP's willingness to listen and address all the players' bitching is probably what's keeping EVE in a stalemate. It's kinda CCP weakness and strength at the same time, it keep its current players happy (mostly) but also keeps the game stagnant since, alas, players arent game designers. I guess I won't be all that popular after saying that, OH WELL.
I don't think that an attempt gone wrong to add something new should preclude other attempts to add cool stuff to the game. And nope, I wasnt thinking of walking with the avatar in stations, clothes or other stuff like that, the game is clearly about internet spaceships, which is what I said about not changing the spirit of the game above. I just hope it moves forward though.
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beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.20 23:46:50 -
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Lutz wrote:The game is 12 years old, it's been "fixed", done, tweaked, re-tweaked, changed and re-changed several times over. If something hasnt been fixed yet for you, they either are unable to or it's just not gonna happen if not by sheer luck. Portions of Eve's code are, at this point, just creaking along. Some parts, like the POS code, are essentially unmaintainable. The devs are putting a lot of effort into redesigning and rewriting it from scratch in order to have a stable foundation to work from. It isn't true that everything has been "re-changed several times over" at this point.
As for the OP, CCP should focus on the middle distance and take deep breaths. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1601
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Posted - 2015.05.21 00:24:38 -
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Harsher penalties for criminals. Quicker CONCORD responses. More HP for industrials, barges and freighters. Better pay for missions and incursions. Higher war-dec fees.
Who put the goat in there?
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
314
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Posted - 2015.05.21 00:28:03 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:They need to focus on anything else than the seemingly large amount of complainers on the forums. No faster way to ruin something than giving people what they think they want rather than what they actually want. Mr Epeen
All the yes. CCP needs to pin this on the wall in case they ever forget.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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stoicfaux
5648
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Posted - 2015.05.21 00:28:31 -
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Exotic Strippers... but in 3D!
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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stoicfaux
5648
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Posted - 2015.05.21 00:33:43 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: No faster way to ruin something than giving people what they think they want rather than what they actually want.
Actually, there is a faster way: "Don't give us what we actually don't want." (i.e. Incarna.)
/no_pressure_ccp
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
25109
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Posted - 2015.05.21 00:45:20 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Exotic Strippers... but in 3D!
I can help with that ... ?
Alwo welcome back stoicfaux ! I still don't know how to pronounce your name. ^_^
Brüste.
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