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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:39:34 -
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Hey everyone! For our Carnyx release at the beginning of June we're planning on making some moderate tweaks to sentry drones, part of our ongoing process of massaging drone combat into a healthier place in the meta.
These are a very specific and limited set of changes that we believe will benefit the game, but it's important to know that these are explicitly not intended to be a "once and for all" fix for every problem related to sentries. There's no such thing as a balance silver bullet.
The main goals of these changes are to further improve the intra-class balance between sentry drones (smoothing out the progression in tracking speed and compressing the damage spread a bit) and slightly reducing the power level of some sentry fits and doctrines, especially for Bouncers and Curators that are quite dominant in a few areas.
Current plan is: Gardes: -25% Optimal, +33% Falloff, -3% Damage, -6.67% Tracking Curators: -3.1% Damage, -13% Tracking Bouncers: -3.3% Damage, -12.5% Tracking
We welcome feedback as always!
Game Designer | Team Five-0
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1159
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:42:40 -
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First, just because I could :D |
Daoden
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:44:01 -
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2nd |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:44:13 -
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I think its another good tweaking. Good for a revisit later if needed.
Have you considering make a separate size sentry drone to make balancing easier, so we aren't neutering BS drone doctrines? Or is that the intent?
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Womyn Power
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
100
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:44:30 -
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all praise 2 allah and his messenger muhammad pbuh |
Tiberian Deci
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
140
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:47:23 -
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Not gonna pretend to be a theorycrafter, but they look good to me. |
Xavier Azabu
Fluid Motion Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:49:14 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:...making some moderate tweaks to sentry drones... ...massaging drone combat... Current plan is:Gardes: -25% Optimal, +33% Falloff, -3% Damage, -6.67% Tracking Curators: -3.1% Damage, -13% Tracking Bouncers: -3.3% Damage, -12.5% Tracking We welcome feedback as always!
Optimal nerf on Gardes is a little harsh. Maybe like 15%? No one uses them on towers or in kiting Ishtar combat anyway.
The Curator and Bouncer nerf is needed.
Will this finally discourage people from using the Ishtar? |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1083
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:51:15 -
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Quote:-25% Optimal, +33% Falloff
why? because of sentry drone optimal bonuses being too good? |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:52:07 -
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I think you're hurting the hulls which are not bonused for them disproportionately hard compared to the bonused ones.
No-one complains about a sentry geddon. The issues sit firmly in the bonused hulls, who will feel this less because of their already huge advantage over their peer group.
I know you like to balance the weapons and not blame hulls but in this case, it clearly IS the hulls. |
MissBolyai
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:53:53 -
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I think you and I have moderately different definitions of the word "moderate."
Good changes though, and I can officially announce that PL ships will be solely using Wardens in all AT matches this year. |
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:59:13 -
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While sipping a glass of whiskey, I pondered the idea of Sentry Drones being more of a unique entity and not classified as a drone but more of a deployable turret, thus not gaining any of the benefits of drone modules it rigs.
Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2688
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:01:01 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: There's no such thing as a balance silver bullet.
Give them the Drake treatment? |
Obidiah Kane
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:02:31 -
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I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:05:38 -
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It cannot hurt to try this tweak. I am most offended by sentry drones when used by Carriers, not Ishtars or Dominixes. Making the drones slightly worse should help with that problem.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
502
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:06:29 -
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Before I critique, thank you Fozzie and co for your work on rebalancing. It is difficult and neverending. But the game is now better for it.
So . . Would be nice to see a new spread sheet for the various drones. Also wondering if this leaves wardens as the go to drones for sentry doctrines? Did they really need no tweaks after these changes to the other drones? And are gardes now officially crap for just about everything?
Which is why a spreadsheet would help to see whether that smoothed progression claimed in the op will be the case.
Also, hopefully this does not kill the Ishtar. Only reduce the prevalence.
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
580
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:07:37 -
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Obidiah Kane wrote: :( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
You get used to it - this happens a lot in Eve, especially for newer players. Best advice I was ever given was do not specialize - the more ships you know how to fly, the more nerf proof you are.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1083
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:08:10 -
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Obidiah Kane wrote:I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
maybe you should train what you like, rather than being utterly awful |
Lord LazyGhost
Bear Bones Brigade The Bastards.
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:10:22 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Obidiah Kane wrote:I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
maybe you should train what you like, rather than being utterly awful
trouser as happy as always :) 0/
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:12:26 -
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Ishtar still not fixed by this.
Xaxaxa
// Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept
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Cruisers Online - [Damage done in PvP by Shiptype]
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
403
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:13:27 -
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Obidiah Kane wrote::( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
Yeah that's kind of what happens when you chase after the flavor of the month. |
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:15:25 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:There's no such thing as a balance silver bullet.
Really now?
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-odyssey-1.1
Quote:ISHTAR:
7.5% bonus to Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking(was 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage). 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage.
Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level. 7.5% bonus to Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed(was bonus to drone bay capacity).
The Zealot still can't reach even close to those range and damage levels, not to mention abysmal EHP on such setups.
Drone double bonuses are working as intended.
// Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept
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Cruisers Online - [Damage done in PvP by Shiptype]
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Obidiah Kane
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:17:51 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Obidiah Kane wrote:I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
maybe you should train what you like, rather than being utterly awful
Come again?! What kind of person even writes that? Why write it? What does it even mean? |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:19:25 -
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Obidiah Kane wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Obidiah Kane wrote:I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
maybe you should train what you like, rather than being utterly awful Come again?! What kind of person even writes that? Why write it? What does it even mean?
It means train for broken ships, expecting them to stay that way forever, at your own risk.
// Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept
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Cruisers Online - [Damage done in PvP by Shiptype]
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Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
43
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:19:26 -
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with the new modules boostin tracking the sentry actually can track frigs so i think is good let them come back to anti bs 400mm weapons.
the point only one HAC can field BS size weapon is another thread.... |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1114
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:20:33 -
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Obidiah Kane wrote:I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
If you only train for the flavour of the month, you are always going to be disappointed.
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Mind Rape
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
14
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:20:43 -
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well done Fozzie, another ship nerfed into crap.
CCP Fozzie wrote:We welcome feedback as always!
nope you don't. |
Paessi Mikakka
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
1
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:22:59 -
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Blame drones for istar being op... |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1232
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:25:33 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Obidiah Kane wrote:I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
If you only train for the flavour of the month, you are always going to be disappointed.
Jesus, talk about shouting at the wrong guy.
"Hey director dude, screw you, I'm not training ishtar, it's FOTM crap and my spaceship e-bushido prevents this!" "Why am I in Native Freshfood?"
Don't hate the line member, hate the doctrine designers. |
Tyr Dolorem
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
54
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:26:24 -
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Why are you nerfing the drones not the hulls that are the problem? |
Obidiah Kane
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:26:35 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Obidiah Kane wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Obidiah Kane wrote:I learn the Ishtar then... I learn the Loki then... I learn the Svipul then... I learn the Domi then...
you are nerfing a lot of ships that new players set as desire targets...is there anyway you could advise us of your rebalance timetable in advance? ie. if you had told me end of last year the Ishtar and Domi I had been training toward (with my PVE toon) were going to have their balls cut off I would have gone Amarr/ Caldari like everyone else, and not wasted months of sub training 'meh' skills I thought were 'Wooo!' skills.
:( Sorry, just grumpy, everything seems to devalue after I have learnt it.
maybe you should train what you like, rather than being utterly awful Come again?! What kind of person even writes that? Why write it? What does it even mean? It means train for broken ships, expecting them to stay that way forever, at your own risk.
So newish player looks at figures/ bonuses in ISIS while deciding what to fly, no idea of meta/ weight of moaning bitter vets at the time...why am I awful? That was my question...I appreciate your point, and others, completely. |
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