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Dreekus
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:42:09 -
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I am not big fan of Falloff based weaponry, It mostly just confuse ppl about their paper dps vs practical application.
That being said, I have same opinion as ppl that would prefer seeing Ishtar tweaking instead doing changes that will cause colleteral damage to hulls that are not so readly abused. (Like eos, dominix, Geddon).
Sentries bonuses for BCs and larger hulls only. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
831
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:47:35 -
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Every sentry ship is severely outclassed by the Ishtar, to the point where pretty much nobody uses anything but (except for us).
The last several times we've told you this you've given us the same stupid "thanks for the feedback but we're confident we're right". You're not. The drones are not the problem, it's the Ishtar. |
Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:49:59 -
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I've said this many times after seeing the game become more and more "balanced", nice way of saying nerf BTW.
When things are "unbalanced" they game is exciting and you have people trying to theory craft ways to counter the trends.
Many times over I've seen exciting gameplays get it's arsed ripped out because CCP decided to nerf rather than be proactive and think of ways to allow us gamers to counter act. Part of what made/makes eve so exciting is the freedom but the rules and the constant tiers of "this needs balancing" annoys me rotten. This is what made Eve so formidable as a MMORPG.
Please Fozzie, rather than nerf things and sugar coat it as balancing, think in the opposite direction to allow us to think strategically about being able to play out counter-attacks. The way it is at the moment you nerf one thing and another gameplay will emerge that you will nerf *cough* balance again. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1817
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:54:15 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:I've said this many times after seeing the game become more and more "balanced", nice way of saying nerf BTW.
When things are "unbalanced" they game is exciting and you have people trying to theory craft ways to counter the trends.
Many times over I've seen exciting gameplays get it's arsed ripped out because CCP decided to nerf rather than be proactive and think of ways to allow us gamers to counter act. Part of what made/makes eve so exciting is the freedom but the rules and the constant tiers of "this needs balancing" annoys me rotten. This is what made Eve so formidable as a MMORPG.
Please Fozzie, rather than nerf things and sugar coat it as balancing, think in the opposite direction to allow us to think strategically about being able to play out counter-attacks. The way it is at the moment you nerf one thing and another gameplay will emerge that you will nerf *cough* balance again.
It's been months and the statu quo is still that Ishtar are dominant. You'd think the playerbase would of found other counter by now beside faction battleships? Do you think people didn't look at the ship roster to find what was possible with the current setup? How long do we let something unbalanced to push people to try new things? How long before we consider the baalnce was actually FUBAR and need to be modified because the ideas just plainly don't work? |
Rampage2010
Stoney Mining Co. Did he say Jump
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:54:33 -
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Fozzie do you have any ideas for the game that don't involve nerfing everything one by one. surly you are smart enough to see that is all you are doing, perhaps you were in over your head working for CCP and you are reaching for ideas and nerf nerf nerf is all you could come up with? put more thought into stuff dude nerf hulls if you have to rather than screwing over weapon systems. talk to this guy a bit maybe, you know work with your team..
"First, we wanted to establish whether the problem was more about the Ishtar or more about Sentry Drones. The data makes a pretty convincing case that it really is mostly the Ishtar. While several other ships (Dominix, Navy Vexor, Archon, etc.) are making use of sentries, none of them are anywhere near as sentry reliant as the Ishtar and none of them are coming close to the overall damage that Ishtars represent on TQ." - CCP RISE 2015-02-27 |
Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:04:27 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:I've said this many times after seeing the game become more and more "balanced", nice way of saying nerf BTW.
When things are "unbalanced" they game is exciting and you have people trying to theory craft ways to counter the trends.
Many times over I've seen exciting gameplays get it's arsed ripped out because CCP decided to nerf rather than be proactive and think of ways to allow us gamers to counter act. Part of what made/makes eve so exciting is the freedom but the rules and the constant tiers of "this needs balancing" annoys me rotten. This is what made Eve so formidable as a MMORPG.
Please Fozzie, rather than nerf things and sugar coat it as balancing, think in the opposite direction to allow us to think strategically about being able to play out counter-attacks. The way it is at the moment you nerf one thing and another gameplay will emerge that you will nerf *cough* balance again. It's been months and the statu quo is still that Ishtar are dominant. You'd think the playerbase would of found other counter by now beside faction battleships? Do you think people didn't look at the ship roster to find what was possible with the current setup? How long do we let something unbalanced to push people to try new things? How long before we consider the baalnce was actually FUBAR and need to be modified because the ideas just plainly don't work?
Give over you plank, I said for CCP to look proactively, that means looking and inventing new games play for us players to find! |
Nano Sito
20
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:06:15 -
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Well... if any of you guys had doubts about how untouchable the Ishtar is, this puts them to rest. It's Ishtar Online my friends... Winmatar all over again. |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
87
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:18:34 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback so far.
For those of you who are worried that we won't touch any specific ships because we're making these changes, I'll point you again to the second paragraph of the OP. We are not ruling out any changes to specific ships as we go forward. We made changes specifically to the Ishtar in Scylla, and we plan on continuing to make changes bit by bit to continually improve the game's balance.
What other ship beside the Ishtar and the Dominixe are problematic with sentries to make the entire weapon system deserving of a nerf and not only those 2 hulls?
carrier blob? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1817
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:23:07 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback so far.
For those of you who are worried that we won't touch any specific ships because we're making these changes, I'll point you again to the second paragraph of the OP. We are not ruling out any changes to specific ships as we go forward. We made changes specifically to the Ishtar in Scylla, and we plan on continuing to make changes bit by bit to continually improve the game's balance.
What other ship beside the Ishtar and the Dominixe are problematic with sentries to make the entire weapon system deserving of a nerf and not only those 2 hulls? carrier blob?
Good catch but on the other hand, I'm waiting to see what will happen to all caps after Fozziesov. They are supposed to be re-purposed. |
Nano Sito
20
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:26:40 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback so far.
For those of you who are worried that we won't touch any specific ships because we're making these changes, I'll point you again to the second paragraph of the OP. We are not ruling out any changes to specific ships as we go forward. We made changes specifically to the Ishtar in Scylla, and we plan on continuing to make changes bit by bit to continually improve the game's balance.
What other ship beside the Ishtar and the Dominixe are problematic with sentries to make the entire weapon system deserving of a nerf and not only those 2 hulls? carrier blob?
Caps will be re-balanced soon anyway. This nerf to sentries is just to postpone the rebalance of the Ishtar one more time (since they last effort fell short and they know it). |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13058
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:27:49 -
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The part that surprises me is that you guys seem to think that the tracking or range slash application is the problem.
Instead of, you know, the fact that Sentries allow a cruiser to fit batteship equivalent weaponry.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:33:37 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part that surprises me is that you guys seem to think that the tracking or range slash application is the problem.
Instead of, you know, the fact that Sentries allow a cruiser to fit batteship equivalent weaponry.
Costs about the same though doesn't t? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13058
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:35:02 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part that surprises me is that you guys seem to think that the tracking or range slash application is the problem.
Instead of, you know, the fact that Sentries allow a cruiser to fit batteship equivalent weaponry. Costs about the same though doesn't t?
What?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:39:36 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part that surprises me is that you guys seem to think that the tracking or range slash application is the problem.
Instead of, you know, the fact that Sentries allow a cruiser to fit batteship equivalent weaponry. Costs about the same though doesn't t? What?
Fitting a cruiser properly costs about the same if not more as fitting a BS, let alone skilling for it. Why shouldn't it do the same amount of damage as a BS? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13058
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:43:25 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part that surprises me is that you guys seem to think that the tracking or range slash application is the problem.
Instead of, you know, the fact that Sentries allow a cruiser to fit batteship equivalent weaponry. Costs about the same though doesn't t? What? Fitting a cruiser properly costs about the same if not more as fitting a BS, let alone skilling for it. Why shouldn't it do the same amount of damage as a BS?
Because it makes battleships useless in comparison?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:49:30 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part that surprises me is that you guys seem to think that the tracking or range slash application is the problem.
Instead of, you know, the fact that Sentries allow a cruiser to fit batteship equivalent weaponry. Costs about the same though doesn't t? What? Fitting a cruiser properly costs about the same if not more as fitting a BS, let alone skilling for it. Why shouldn't it do the same amount of damage as a BS? Because it makes battleships useless in comparison?
Not really, BS's are mainly used for what becuase of what? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13058
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:52:17 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote: Not really, BS's are mainly used for what becuase of what?
Is being obtuse your shtick, or am I just being trolled?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:57:29 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Hilti Enaka wrote: Not really, BS's are mainly used for what becuase of what?
Is being obtuse your shtick, or am I just being trolled?
No, I am genuinely asking you a question as to why we use BS's and what the reason are for doing so. |
Maximos Jenks
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:57:42 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback so far.
For those of you who are worried that we won't touch any specific ships because we're making these changes, I'll point you again to the second paragraph of the OP. We are not ruling out any changes to specific ships as we go forward. We made changes specifically to the Ishtar in Scylla, and we plan on continuing to make changes bit by bit to continually improve the game's balance.
We're making an adjustment already to the original proposal, adding some more falloff to the Gardes.
New Garde range changes are: -25% optimal, +66.7% falloff.
The shift from a moderate reliance on optimal to a moderate reliance on falloff is still part of the plan as it will help close the gap between range bonused ships and range unbonused ships, but with this version the crossover point between ranges where the Gardes do less damage than before and the point where they do more damage than before will be earlier.
Thanks as always, and have a great evening!
Thanks for trying, but everyone isn't complaining about the falloff.. It's like saying we're taking away your house but giving you this nifty box to live in. You talking about balance, but nerfing the range to 50 percent of the next in line drone is a bit extreme, oh in the same token is bouncers going to do 50 percent the damage, but have 150 percent better tracking than the garde. Curator have 60 percent the damage and 160 percent the tracking. The warden just flat out sucks, and with this range bonus nerf(even with the increase falloff) yall are pushing the sentry drone choices from 3 kinda (see point about wardens suck, and gardes limited range as it is currently) to just two choices. Balance is about choice, not restriction which I believe your indirectly reinforcing.
Also fix the ****** Ishtar plz. Double bonus to drones sucks. |
Alexis Nightwish
206
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:03:54 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback so far.
For those of you who are worried that we won't touch any specific ships because we're making these changes, I'll point you again to the second paragraph of the OP. We are not ruling out any changes to specific ships as we go forward. We made changes specifically to the Ishtar in Scylla, and we plan on continuing to make changes bit by bit to continually improve the game's balance. And that "nerf" was a joke.
The problem is not sentries.
The problem is not even that cruisers get bonuses to drones above their size class.
The problem is that they have a bandwidth of 125mb! This allows them to deploy five fully bonused sentries with no drawbacks!
I refuse to believe that you are either stupid or blind to this so I have to ask, why? Why do you keep avoiding the issue? The real issue. Are drone cruisers special snowflakes? The Vexor, VNI, Ishtar, and due to its disgustingly OP bonuses, the Gila are all the most powerful cruisers in their classes (T1, Navy, T2, Pirate).
Cap drone cruisers at 50mb, change the Gila's bonus from 500% to 300%, and be done with it! Jeebus!
CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
EVE Online's "I win!" Button
Fixing bombs, not the bombers
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1817
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:10:59 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The part that surprises me is that you guys seem to think that the tracking or range slash application is the problem.
Instead of, you know, the fact that Sentries allow a cruiser to fit batteship equivalent weaponry. Costs about the same though doesn't t?
The smaller sig + faster + better warp speed + better resist packages is good compared to the more raw buffer + more fittings one? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
12854
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:11:08 -
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The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
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Alexis Nightwish
206
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:14:20 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Probably because 90% of forums is saying "the hull is the problem" yet you nerf the weapon anyway.
CCP approaches problems in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
EVE Online's "I win!" Button
Fixing bombs, not the bombers
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13059
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:14:30 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums.
That's rather passive aggressive, isn't it?
My statement merely suggested that you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The Ishtar is still too good, and you've made the Dominix, and a few other ships besides, worse than they needed to be.
It doesn't address the root of the problem.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1817
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:15:23 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums.
The fun thing of devs account is they can ban me from both the forum and the game and never really need to answer simple question because they have god's given power to be right all the time.
Still no mention of which drone boat is problematic with sentries beside the soon to be re-designed carrier, ishtars and dominixes... |
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
129
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:18:02 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Probably because 90% of forums is saying "the hull is the problem" yet you nerf the weapon anyway. I'd say you nailed it |
The Primary Target
It's All Ogre Now.
2
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:20:30 -
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Sure the hull is most of the problem now, but first let's think about this for a minute... First it was sentry carriers, then it was sentry domis, now it's sentry ishtars... Dunno bout you guys but I see a pattern here... |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1818
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:20:32 -
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Discomanco wrote:Alexis Nightwish wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Probably because 90% of forums is saying "the hull is the problem" yet you nerf the weapon anyway. I'd say you nailed it
Nailing things is damage locked to kinetic so it's kinda useless VS Ishtars... |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1818
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:21:38 -
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The Primary Target wrote:Sure the hull is most of the problem now, but first let's think about this for a minute... First it was sentry carriers, then it was sentry domis, now it's sentry ishtars... Dunno bout you guys but I see a pattern here...
Yeah, the pattern is one is a capital that is supposed to be re-designed anyway and the two others are sentry platform with a bonus that include projection AND application unlike any other weapon system in the game. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
5112
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:21:48 -
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Appropriate nerfs.
Signed - someone that loves flying the Ishtar, and expects that to continue.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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