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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:26:42 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums.
But why do you constantly look to balance things AKA nerf. That is the gods honest question 90% of the people you **** off ask. The problem is, like you get in manufacturing, if you try to make the bottleneck even a new one appears and you are forever, in the quest of trying to balance things, nerfing. It's basic human instinct to want to invent the next big thing when it's a trend people don't down grade what they thought long and hard about, to make things even, most people want tools to counter. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1172
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:29:32 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums.
yep, people can be very narrow minded indeed, there are multiple issues that need fixing from the hull too the drones, but when you get them right 90% of people see that you have... not that people are great at admitting it mind.
Tech 3's need to be multi-role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 slots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster eagle worth using
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2420
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:30:26 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. You sure know how to light a fire |
Seven Koskanaiken
Positive Failure Black Legion.
1510
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:33:31 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums.
Well has something come to light that contradicts Rise's statement? Which particular ships outside of Ishtar and Domi are using sentries/drones to OP effect? Where's the data to back this all up? What do the CSM say on this (if anything?) |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1172
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:33:52 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. But why do you constantly look to balance things AKA nerf. That is the gods honest question 90% of the people you **** off ask. The problem is, like you get in manufacturing, if you try to make the bottleneck even a new one appears and you are forever, in the quest of trying to balance things, nerfing. It's basic human instinct to want to invent the next big thing when it's a trend people don't down grade what they thought long and hard about, to make things even, most people want tools to counter.
people have short memories, things get overbuffed . because people complain about nerfing instead of buffing things, but the fact is things get buffed and nerfed as and when they are needed most, kind of like A&E really, makes me awant too watch grey's anatomy
Tech 3's need to be multi-role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist, nerf sentries, -3 slots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster eagle worth using
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:49:32 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Well has something come to light that contradicts Rise's statement? Which particular ships outside of Ishtar and Domi are using sentries/drones to OP effect? Where's the data to back this all up? What do the CSM say on this (if anything?)
Nothing here contradicts Rise's statement. The biggest issue was definitely the Ishtar hull, and the hull is still a significant component of the issue. That's why we made a much larger adjustment to the Ishtar last release (cutting its sentry damage bonus in half) than these changes to the drones. While the results of that Ishtar change is still playing out, we're continuing to make more adjustments to the overall sentry ecosystem with these changes. We also won't rule out more changes to the hull (and to other non-hull aspects of this whole picture) in the near future, but we aren't ready for more of those in Carnyx quite yet.
Sentries are an extremely strong weapon system, and their strength has really shown itself in the past years as we hit the critical mass required for players to improve their tactics for using them. At the moment they are a bit too good on essentially every ship that has a drone damage bonus and at least 125mbits bandwidth (with Ishtars the most obvious offender, but Domis, carriers, VNIs, Rattlesnakes and Geddons all affected), which is why we're making some moderate changes to the drones in Carnyx.
I'll let individual CSM members share their opinions if they wish, but every member of the CSM that provided any comment on these changes pushed for larger nerfs. The version of these changes that I first showed the CSM was a bit milder, but they convinced me to give it a bit more teeth.
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Izmaragd Dawnstar
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:51:33 -
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I'll add my 0.00002 cents on the subject. A lot of stuff was probably already said in this thread or elsewhere, but meh.
Sentries are currently the most used meta for a reason (battleship-caliber damage, excellent tracking, small sig radius and so on, so forth). In turn, this meta places itself into the meta of drones which is pretty strong (some would even say too strong) as well: selectable damage type, no ammo consumption save for blapped drones and decent projection.
Now, while thinking that only one thing needs to change is a bit too easy, one can orient itself in three different directions: A) Change the sentries B) Change the hulls using them C) Change the sentry requirements and/or role altogether.
Option A leaves us with several issues: One of them are skills being pushed at players for years made less desirable. The second one, far more bothersome, is the fact that option A will not close the gap between Gallente drone boats and all other drone boats (Guristas are a special case). The Armaggedon, for instance, will take a heavy hit.
Now, option B is a lot more tempting, but makes the dedicated drone boats more bland and less desirable. While I personally use Gallente Cruiser V for the Oneiros and not the Ishtar, not everyone does so
So, option C. Everyone knows sentry drones are a weird beast, being a battleship-damage device that can go on cruisers. Maybe it's time we change that? Yes, it is a complicated thing (and is not a "silver bullet"), but let's give it a try:
- Scrap all >50 mbit bands on sub-battleship classes (cruisers and BCs). So by default, you can fit only 2 sentries. - Make a new mod: Sentry Drone Control Unit. Goes into a highslot, costs in the ballpark of 50 CPU and 200 PG to fit. Each Sentry Drone Control Unit adds 25 mbit/s bandwidth (allowing you to have 1 more sentry out). You can't go for more than 5, because Drones skill prevents that. - What does this accomplish? Well, it eats up high slots and fitting attributes, allowing for less silly pure drone boat fits (hello neut brawler VNI and kiting Ishtar, among other things). You'll still be able to fit an Ishtar, but probably not with 100MN ABs without sacrificing other stuff. - Also, it would open new horizons for some ships. Myrms and Stratioses and simple Vexors would perhaps be able to field full flights of sentries. At the cost of other stuff of course - a Vexor with 3 SDCUs would only have 1 gun left. This would have to be looked closely upon, obviously, but the sacrifice of 3 high slots and a lot of PG and CPU should minimise those cases.
Basically, those SDCUs are a bit like fitting a 10MN on a Tactical destroyer: it's doable, but you have to give something up.
After that, other adjustments can be done (maybe Ishtar's capacitor, maybe drone bay sizes, maybe other stuff). |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
133
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:54:23 -
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Can we just get rid of CRUISERS getting bonuses to BATTLESHIP weapons? |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
266
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:54:24 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Well has something come to light that contradicts Rise's statement? Which particular ships outside of Ishtar and Domi are using sentries/drones to OP effect? Where's the data to back this all up? What do the CSM say on this (if anything?) Nothing here contradicts Rise's statement. The biggest issue was definitely the Ishtar hull, and the hull is still a significant component of the issue. That's why we made a much larger adjustment to the Ishtar last release (cutting its sentry damage bonus in half) than these changes to the drones. While the results of that Ishtar change is still playing out, we're continuing to make more adjustments to the overall sentry ecosystem with these changes. We also won't rule out more changes to the hull (and to other non-hull aspects of this whole picture) in the near future, but we aren't ready for more of those in Carnyx quite yet. Sentries are an extremely strong weapon system, and their strength has really shown itself in the past years as we hit the critical mass required for players to improve their tactics for using them. At the moment they are a bit too good on essentially every ship that has a drone damage bonus and at least 125mbits bandwidth, which is why we're making some moderate changes to the drones in Carnyx. I'll let individual CSM members share their opinions if they wish, but every member of the CSM that provided any comment on these changes pushed for larger nerfs. The version of these changes that I first showed the CSM was a bit milder, but they convinced me to give it a bit more teeth.
What about cutting out some of the ishtars dronebay so it cant have extra sets of almost every sentry? Fairly mild change and makes killing its drones a bit more feasible.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:07:55 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Well has something come to light that contradicts Rise's statement? Which particular ships outside of Ishtar and Domi are using sentries/drones to OP effect? Where's the data to back this all up? What do the CSM say on this (if anything?) Nothing here contradicts Rise's statement. The biggest issue was definitely the Ishtar hull, and the hull is still a significant component of the issue. That's why we made a much larger adjustment to the Ishtar last release (cutting its sentry damage bonus in half) than these changes to the drones. While the results of that Ishtar change is still playing out, we're continuing to make more adjustments to the overall sentry ecosystem with these changes. We also won't rule out more changes to the hull (and to other non-hull aspects of this whole picture) in the near future, but we aren't ready for more of those in Carnyx quite yet. Sentries are an extremely strong weapon system, and their strength has really shown itself in the past years as we hit the critical mass required for players to improve their tactics for using them. At the moment they are a bit too good on essentially every ship that has a drone damage bonus and at least 125mbits bandwidth, which is why we're making some moderate changes to the drones in Carnyx. I'll let individual CSM members share their opinions if they wish, but every member of the CSM that provided any comment on these changes pushed for larger nerfs. The version of these changes that I first showed the CSM was a bit milder, but they convinced me to give it a bit more teeth. What about cutting out some of the ishtars dronebay so it cant have extra sets of almost every sentry? Fairly mild change and makes killing its drones a bit more feasible.
Or keep everything the way it is and create an alternative game play by perhaps reducing the cycle time of sentries on certain hulls.
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
403
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:17:28 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Can we just get rid of CRUISERS getting bonuses to BATTLESHIP weapons? People keep bringing this up like they just figured out the da vinci code. "They're battleship weapons they're battleship tier weapons hey everyone they are battleship tier! Guys! Guys!"
Drones don't work that way. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
133
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:23:59 -
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Ravcharas wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Can we just get rid of CRUISERS getting bonuses to BATTLESHIP weapons? People keep bringing this up like they just figured out the da vinci code. "They're battleship weapons they're battleship tier weapons hey everyone they are battleship tier! Guys! Guys!" Drones don't work that way. Maybe they should?? So then i should be able to use 5 heavies in my Ishkur? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1818
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:24:52 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:Stitch Kaneland wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Well has something come to light that contradicts Rise's statement? Which particular ships outside of Ishtar and Domi are using sentries/drones to OP effect? Where's the data to back this all up? What do the CSM say on this (if anything?) Nothing here contradicts Rise's statement. The biggest issue was definitely the Ishtar hull, and the hull is still a significant component of the issue. That's why we made a much larger adjustment to the Ishtar last release (cutting its sentry damage bonus in half) than these changes to the drones. While the results of that Ishtar change is still playing out, we're continuing to make more adjustments to the overall sentry ecosystem with these changes. We also won't rule out more changes to the hull (and to other non-hull aspects of this whole picture) in the near future, but we aren't ready for more of those in Carnyx quite yet. Sentries are an extremely strong weapon system, and their strength has really shown itself in the past years as we hit the critical mass required for players to improve their tactics for using them. At the moment they are a bit too good on essentially every ship that has a drone damage bonus and at least 125mbits bandwidth, which is why we're making some moderate changes to the drones in Carnyx. I'll let individual CSM members share their opinions if they wish, but every member of the CSM that provided any comment on these changes pushed for larger nerfs. The version of these changes that I first showed the CSM was a bit milder, but they convinced me to give it a bit more teeth. What about cutting out some of the ishtars dronebay so it cant have extra sets of almost every sentry? Fairly mild change and makes killing its drones a bit more feasible. Or keep everything the way it is and create an alternative game play by perhaps reducing the cycle time of sentries on certain hulls.
Did you just propose to solve the sentry drone problem by adding another sentry platform? |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
832
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:36:23 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks, thanks for the feedback so far.
For those of you who are worried that we won't touch any specific ships because we're making these changes, I'll point you again to the second paragraph of the OP. We are not ruling out any changes to specific ships as we go forward. We made changes specifically to the Ishtar in Scylla, and we plan on continuing to make changes bit by bit to continually improve the game's balance.
What other ship beside the Ishtar and the Dominixe are problematic with sentries to make the entire weapon system deserving of a nerf and not only those 2 hulls? carrier blob? That really isn't a sentry problem. |
Solairen
Matsuko Holding
250
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:37:13 -
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CCP Fozzie, I just want to point out you have about 240 posts in 9 hrs, with almost all of them telling you the same thing.
"Fix the hulls not the drones."
If the problem really is both, why not fix the outliers like Ishtars first so you have a balance across hulls, before adjusting the drones. Otherwise the Ishtar will only continue to skew your data anyways. You need to get you data into a sing,e standard deviation before adjusting drones. Taking data including Ishtar as it is now is pulls data 2 and maybe 3 SDs out. That's bad math and bad data management.
If CCP is insistent on adjusting both, listen to your player base and just switch the order. Fix Ishtar.. THEN Sentries.
Personally, I'm a fan of making "medium sentries" and "large senties" to match the weapon size instead. This would give CCP much more control over balancing them without needing BS so hard because of a single cruiser. Might even make adjusting carriers easier too! |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
832
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:38:24 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. We don't think we know what needs to change.
We know what needs to change.
When the problem is with the Ishtar, and pretty much none of the other sentry platforms, then it's painfully obvious to everyone except apparently you that it's the Ishtar that needs to be nerfed, not the sentries. |
StuRyan
Space Mutts Dramatic Exit.
54
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:40:52 -
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Nothing is new here. Those that invested time in specializing in drone boat weaponry are not so favorable towards the nerf, those that haven't specialized in drone weaponry are welcoming the change.
My POV: 1. Ishtars have always been very useful in new eden because of being able to whip sentries out and tank a 10/10 earning a nice amount of isk. I have a feeling this is also behind the nerf. 2. I find it ridiculous that a hole class and role is defined as drone boat and because it ends up being one considered as overpowered it gets the hammer. 3. Skill level is never reflected on in any nerf that has happened since I started playing 8 years ago. 4. When will we see thinking move from "balancing" or nerfing to actual "counter game plays". It's been said a times, just because something is overpowered and unbalanced it doesn't mean it is bad for the game, What is bad is when everything is placed on a level playing field.
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Ivanna Humpalat
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.05.22 01:34:20 -
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StuRyan wrote: 2. I find it ridiculous that a hole class and role is defined as drone boat and because it ends up being one considered as overpowered it gets the hammer.
4. When will we see thinking move from "balancing" or nerfing to actual "counter game plays". It's been said a times, just because something is overpowered and unbalanced it doesn't mean it is bad for the game, What is bad is when everything is placed on a level playing field.
I agree with this. It's absurd to nerf roles that people have spent considerable time and/or money training into just because people are too lazy to counter them. Is this going to continue happening to every ship / weapon system we train into?
While we're at it, we could also say that every ship on the top ten list at zkillboard needs to be nerfed because they work.
Zkillboard Top 10
What about these other ships who get either more or close to the same amount of kills? Are we going to nerf them all? Or wait, is it just ships that are successful in fleet doctrines that really get the hammer?
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Rootufi Aldent
Gentlemen Bastards
0
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Posted - 2015.05.22 01:44:50 -
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afkalt wrote:I think you're hurting the hulls which are not bonused for them disproportionately hard compared to the bonused ones.
No-one complains about a sentry geddon. The issues sit firmly in the bonused hulls, who will feel this less because of their already huge advantage over their peer group.
I know you like to balance the weapons and not blame hulls but in this case, it clearly IS the hulls.
i..agree completly |
Rootufi Aldent
Gentlemen Bastards
0
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Posted - 2015.05.22 01:51:15 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Can we just get rid of CRUISERS getting bonuses to BATTLESHIP weapons?
no, because tornado. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13059
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Posted - 2015.05.22 01:59:57 -
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Rootufi Aldent wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Can we just get rid of CRUISERS getting bonuses to BATTLESHIP weapons? no, because tornado.
Battlecruisers and cruisers are not the same thing.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1454
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Posted - 2015.05.22 02:14:28 -
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Lady Aesir wrote:Ishtar
A Cruiser should not be able to field sentries PERIOD
oh noes ... the stealth bombers ..... |
Valterra Craven
545
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Posted - 2015.05.22 02:37:57 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Lady Aesir wrote:Ishtar
A Cruiser should not be able to field sentries PERIOD oh noes ... the stealth bombers .....
Yeah a whole close of ships designed to die if a flea landed on them... again not comparable. |
Sort Dragon
Resilience. DARKNESS.
130
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Posted - 2015.05.22 02:54:08 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums. Well has something come to light that contradicts Rise's statement? Which particular ships outside of Ishtar and Domi are using sentries/drones to OP effect? Where's the data to back this all up? What do the CSM say on this (if anything?) Nothing here contradicts Rise's statement. The biggest issue was definitely the Ishtar hull, and the hull is still a significant component of the issue. That's why we made a much larger adjustment to the Ishtar last release (cutting its sentry damage bonus in half) than these changes to the drones. While the results of that Ishtar change is still playing out, we're continuing to make more adjustments to the overall sentry ecosystem with these changes. We also won't rule out more changes to the hull (and to other non-hull aspects of this whole picture) in the near future, but we aren't ready for more of those in Carnyx quite yet. Sentries are an extremely strong weapon system, and their strength has really shown itself in the past years as we hit the critical mass required for players to improve their tactics for using them. At the moment they are a bit too good on essentially every ship that has a drone damage bonus and at least 125mbits bandwidth (with Ishtars the most obvious offender, but Domis, carriers, VNIs, Rattlesnakes and Geddons all affected), which is why we're making some moderate changes to the drones in Carnyx. I'll let individual CSM members share their opinions if they wish, but every member of the CSM that provided any comment on these changes pushed for larger nerfs. The version of these changes that I first showed the CSM was a bit milder, but they convinced me to give it a bit more teeth.
Like Fozzie has stated we were consulted about this and the nerf suggested was less than posted at the start of this thread and after discussions between us and ccp, fozzie upped the nerf a bit. Speaking for myself I am satisfied that ccp realises the issue with sentries and the boats that get direct bonus's to these and instead of following the old way of doing things and just nerfing these ships into nonexistance they are actually trying to apply a nerf but still make them usefull if you so chose to use them. |
Thirdsin
Intergalactic Fight Club Gentlemen's.Club
5
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Posted - 2015.05.22 03:21:41 -
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Can we just not, and say we did?
+1 to the Hulls, not drones, camp. |
novasigma Okaski
Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion
2
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Posted - 2015.05.22 03:36:52 -
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I don't usually key in on things like this because of trolls but would it not instead of adjusting the range and damage output of existing drones to just take the bonuses to tracking on the ishtar down/away as well as the optimal range bonus? This would help smooth out the ishtar op-ness 07 nova |
Garrett Howe
Spectres
7
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Posted - 2015.05.22 03:39:14 -
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What can you do to nerf the Ishtar without killing sentries? The only feasible option I see is reducing their drone bandwidth to 50 and giving them huge bonuses to medium drones, but then they are essentially a cheaper Gila, so then do you change the Gila to something else? Maybe EWAR drone bonuses or something, but I think CCP is not looking to do that either. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
973
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Posted - 2015.05.22 03:42:50 -
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I agree that a multi-pronged approach is necessary. You have to adjust both the weapon system and the ships.
As far as the weapons go, I hate that Carriers can use sentry drones. This needs to go away. Nerfing sentry drones across the board to make them slightly less desirable on Carriers does not really fix the issues.
As far as ships go, I don't want to see the Ishtar completely gutted - I just want to see a healthy ecosystem in which other HAC's - and other ship classes - have a sensible place. The combination of selectable damage, excellent projection, excellent mobility, and relatively tough ships makes it hard for any other comparable class to compete with the Ishtar right now. CCP needs to find the sweet spot to make the Zealot, Eagle, and Muninn at least worth considering vis-a-vis the Ishtar. That will require slight buffs to those ships as well as slight nerfs to the Ishtar.
I think the Dominix and the Armageddon are both decent ships, without being so overwhelming that every other BS has no role in Eve.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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Miner Hottie
Haywire.
123
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Posted - 2015.05.22 04:18:48 -
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Fozzie: I feel you have the wrong end of the problem. Sentries are truly only OP on Ishtars.
I suggests you leave Sentries at 25mb bandwidth and adjust their stats to reflect a long range sniper platform, which should result in a nerf to DPS. Take heavy drones and cut their bandwidth to 20mb (geckos to 45mb) and then reduce the ishtar bandwidth to 100mbs. Give the ishtar a hefty bonus to heavy drone hp and navigation. So the sniper fit is viable but not overpowered (4 sentries only) and a brawling fit using heavies also possible without being pants on head dumb, but appropriately risky.
It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.
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Valkin Mordirc
1016
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Posted - 2015.05.22 04:57:14 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The great thing about balance surrounding drones/sentries/ishtars is that everyone thinks they know the one and only thing that needs to change, so no matter what you change you **** off 90% of the forums.
Look I get it, when you make a change you got 100 bajillion people calling you an idiot, that you can't do you job, if it's like anything else that gets the public eye, you probably even been sent death threats, and been harassed. I get how that can be frustrating, annoying, and probably makes you want to quit your job, being forced to just sit and take the abuse specially when it's something you care about, as I assume you do with EVE, and not defend yourself.
I have sympathies for you, I really do.
But passive aggressive comments to your customers is not a good way to be the face of a multi-national gaming corporation. You ask for Feedback you got feedback. Don't get mad when people don't agree with the change.
It honestly seems like you tried to fix the Ishtar and it failed, and now instead of looking at the problem you gone for a whack a mole approach and just took the nerfhammer and intended to smash everything that involves the ishtar.
I want the Ishtar fixed, I want a balanced and interesting game. But this is a cascading nerf.
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