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Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 13:40:34 -
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I've been playing off and on for a few years mostly on the industrial side of eve as a small time multiboxer (manually on 3 screens). I have been away for a year or two and am picking things up again. I could use some opinions on an idea I came across to make me harder to gank while high sec mining (I by no means claim this is a new one, just new to me).
First, a few disclaimers since this is the C&P boards after all and I'm a self proclaimed carebear, at least for the time being.
- I fully embrace the best way to not be ganked is to be the predator, not the prey. I'm not trying to circumvent the game at all, just seeing where this strategy might fall in the 'arms race' so to speak.
- I also know there's no such thing as a gank proof setup. I'm not aiming for one. I just want to know if people would be more inclined to skip me with the following setup (just for the lols not withstanding), or at the least if I'd have a reasonable chance to survive.
- I need outside opinions because honestly, when things look sketchy in local, i just go do something else for a while. There has been only one time where my barges have been shot at in several years of on and off playing. Back in the days of can flipping, someone tried to steal my ore. So i went and got a pvp ship and drove him off. score ... uh... 1/2 for me?
The basic premise is as follows. In a 3 ship setup with 1 Orca and 2 Hulks, everyone would have a higgs rig and we'd share 5 webs among us with 2 on (both equipped and applied to) each hulk, and one on the orca. That is, the hulks trade webs and additionally all 3 are in a round robin of more webs.
This setup allows all 3 ships to have a max speed of 8m/s. At that rate it would take about an hour or so to traverse a high sec asteroid belt once. Then i just align towards whatever the heck I want and by the time I'm out of range of rocks, I'd also be out of rocks. So i could be 100% aligned and ready to warp fleet the moment someone started locking me or a few of you nasties showed up on grid. ;)
Here's the rough version of the loadouts. The tanks, for what they are, are pretty flexible. With some liberal application of t1 meta mods the fitting isn't very tight at all, and remains about as uninteresting as possible for loot drops.
[Hulk, Pitch Drop Experiment] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Higgs Anchor I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
With the orca booster, this tanks about 24.5k worth of Void S.
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[Orca, Pitch Drop Experiment] Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II
Survey Scanner II Stasis Webifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II
Large Higgs Anchor I Large Transverse Bulkhead I Large Transverse Bulkhead I
This tanks about 330k or so.
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Is this idea silly? Would it be easy enough to just bump me anyway and screw up all the bother of this alignment crap? How much time do i have to notice a gang landing on grid to press my button and warp off? I'm watching netflix afterall.
I appreciate any feedback you guys have. Maybe we can put it to the test head to head. Though, I'd rather you not take that as a personal challenge. :)
-Bia
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:17:07 -
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I don't know about silly, but the hulk is always going to be an attractive target for ganking. You may wish to try the Skiff instead with a similar configuration, as while it may yield less it's increased tank and damage bonus to drones makes a much harder target. Gankers tend to choose easier targets over them. You don't have to be the fastest gazelle in the herd... just faster than THAT guy over there.
Also, +1 for posting with your main.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:36:27 -
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Bia Bri wrote:Is this idea silly? Not at all. Great even, that you put so much thought into it. In your case it won't work though and here is why:
Bia Bri wrote:I'm watching netflix afterall.
Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
624
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:40:20 -
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why do people try and play games when doing other things, i dont get it, if you want to play the game, play it, dont sit and do something else
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:44:41 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Bia Bri wrote:Is this idea silly? Not at all. Great even, that you put so much thought into it. In your case it won't work though and here is why: Bia Bri wrote:I'm watching netflix afterall.
Touche. That was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek though. I'm not literally paying no attention. That was just my way of saying i'm not going to be sitting there with my finger literally twitching above the warp fleet button. I don't know if that's what it would take to make this strategy worthwhile. if i were to estimate, I'd say my reaction time would be on the order of 2 or 3 seconds from my client displaying anything for me to see, til when I'd press the red GTFO button. But given the squishy nature of what I'd be trying to do, and the ****** barges that I'm in, I'm not sure that'd be enough time to get away before being pointed. My instinct was leaning towards no which is why i came to ask. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1598
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:45:26 -
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Oh hell, I completely failed to read that whole AFK part of things. Once they've locked you and commenced the opening of fire it's too late. You need, and speaking as a former miner who's survived gank attempts I mean NEED to be at keys to prevent your destruction. Once you hear the beeps, you are already dead. Your set up is great if you are at the keys and fully aware. Jam that D-Scan like it dispenses orgasms when you're mining. Nothing will save you if you're not there to take action.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:49:10 -
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Your fits won't save you, changing to skiff won't save you, and certainly AG channels won't save you.
What will save you is faith, Code compliance, and a 10M ISK annual mining permit.
Praise James 315!
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 14:58:05 -
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Guys, please don't let this get derailed in that direction. I'm aware that If I'm afk, there no amount of anything that will save me, most particularly on a warp-to-safety instantly model.
That was just a poorly phrased whimsy to point out that if there weren't at least something else going on (eve chat, a movie in the background next to me, having a market window open, etc) then even a industry player like me wouldn't be able to withstand rock munching.
I've never been the target of a serious gank attempt. What kind of response time from new ships on grid to pressing the button would be needed to pull this off? 2 seconds I can manage. 1 second is iffy to say the least. .5 seconds and I'm sure i'll miss my window.
*edit* also simultaneous responses made this a weird thread to reply to. Thank you though for talking this out with me. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:12:37 -
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I have had ganks attempted on me. Honestly, what really matters is attentiveness. That whole 'mash d-scan like it dispenses orgasms' thing may have seemed like it was humor, and in part it was... but also is deadly serious. Mining properly is mentally exhausting, and eventually the rocks start talking back to you.
The best defense is awareness. When you can see them coming at you on scan, you can react before they even get there. Even before they added the higgs rigs, you could readily have your snackinaw on the way out before the catalysts hit the grid. Assuming that you mine while aligned, which your setup seems to indicate... if you're paying that close of attention then you should have no problem getting the hell out before the gank squad finished decelerating from warp.
Not to duke in CODE.'s picnic basket, but you don't need a permit for anything if you're a hard enough target that they can't land a proper gank or bump on you. Sorry guys, but your shtick only works on those who aren't trying...
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:14:31 -
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OP, you solicited advice on being a harder target. Code permit tank is best tank.
Stop confusing yourself about what it is you asked for and the subsequently relevant responses you get. Confusion . . . did I dare to expect better from a carebear?
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1606
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:19:00 -
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Shush. For once this isn't about you guys directly. Stop trying to make it so. Plenty of other threads all about you. Is okay. You guys are still relevant. Really and always.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:19:51 -
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It will work but you really have to be on your toes as you only have a few seconds between seeing them entering the grid and them landing points on you. Watching d-scan for typical gank ships greatly increases that time if you pick a belt far away from any gate or station. Using gankerlookout.com to check local for known gankers also increases your chances of spotting them early.
To give you a backup strategy at least for your Hulks: put 2 brick tanked Procurers into the ship maintenance bay. If you can't warp out fast enough, board the Procurers with your Hulk pilots.
Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
624
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:20:37 -
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dont pay a code permit, dont fund those idiots
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:20:45 -
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Revis, I appreciate your enthusiasm for your organization. I've been around for a long time. I was here before CODE (by several years mind you), I'll be around after your organization moves on to something else.
I'll give you kudos though. RPing for 10M isk per shot for a year or so takes ... well it takes something I'm sure. Probably. I hope.
If you guys show up, I'll go mission for a while instead. Or do production. Or invention. Or hell, I do have the necessary skills to shoot back. If i get particularly out of character, I could even do that.
If there's anything Eve doesn't lack its choices. |
Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:28:54 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote: To give you a backup strategy at least for your Hulks: put 2 brick tanked Procurers into the ship maintenance bay. If you can't warp out fast enough, board the Procurers with your Hulk pilots.
I had thought you couldn't swap ships while aggressed? If my hulks aren't aggressed then the fleet warp command should still have sent them off. Wouldn't the window for swapping be between being locked and being hit, that is, basically nil?
I've never had much opportunity for this sort of engagement in pve so the finer points of these kind of mechanics I'm not 100% on. |
Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:31:25 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:For once this isn't about you guys directly.
OP is about better surviving highsec ganking, and CODE. is most synonymous with highsec ganking to most highsec dwellers. Your comment reveals you've been living isolated on your asteroid for far too long without outside contact.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
86
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:37:51 -
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Bia Bri wrote:I had thought you couldn't swap ships while aggressed? If my hulks aren't aggressed then the fleet warp command should still have sent them off. Wouldn't the window for swapping be between being locked and being hit, that is, basically nil You only loose the ability to swap ships if you actively start engaging them, not if you remain passive. Your drones won't automatically engage a criminal, even if set to "aggressive". Btw: I'd also advise against using mining drones if you rely on this tactic. They could return in just the wrong moment and put ore into your hangar, thus preventing you from swapping ships.
Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
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Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:38:36 -
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Ganking has always been, will always be, and should always be a part of high sec life. Eve got started I think 12 years ago? Something like that.
I left the game about 18 months or so ago. Maybe a lil less. I don't recall exactly. It was shortly after hulkageddon 5 or so. It was around the time of gallente ice interdiction. At the time I operated out of gallente space so I was well aware of all sorts of ganking to be had.
Kudos code. I applaud that you've taken it to a new level. But synonymous with high sec ganking? If you're still around in 10 years, doing the same, you'll have claim to not quite half that title. Don't get ahead of yourselves. |
Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:40:05 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote: You only loose the ability to swap ships if you actively start engaging them, not if you remain passive. Your drones won't automatically engage a criminal, even if set to "aggressive". Btw: I'd also advise against using mining drones if you rely on this tactic. They could return in just the wrong moment and put ore into your hangar, thus preventing you from swapping ships.
Hmm. That's a solid way to go then. I'll look into it if i try this. Thanks for the tip. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1607
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:42:10 -
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o.O You have absolutely no godly idea as to what I actually do in game apparently. That's adorable.
I don't disapprove of what you guys do. Hell, I've flown with one or two of you. Calm down miner.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:47:50 -
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Bia Bri wrote:I'll be around after your organization moves on to something else.
Prediction that the New Order will end #6843658. You're definitely confirming yourself to be a true carebear, with all the swallowing of anti-Code propaganda entailed.
At least try to be lucid enough to understand that 10M ISK buys you some of the best anti-gank tank around for the money.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:48:18 -
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Omar, that wasn't directed at you. At all.
Code likes to RP it up. It's their game. If they enjoy it, I'm all for however they want to play. That's my point. But Revis quite literally put words in my mouth that miss the mark by a wide margin. If C&P forums aren't the place to call someone out on that, then well, I guess we'll have to disagree. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
624
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:50:34 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Bia Bri wrote:I'll be around after your organization moves on to something else. Prediction that the New Order will end #6843658. You're definitely confirming yourself to be a true carebear, with all the swallowing of anti-Code propaganda entailed. At least try to be lucid enough to understand that 10M ISK buys you some of the best anti-gank tank around for the money.
code are carebears they interact with npc's more than anyone else in the game
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Bia Bri
New Eden Quarries
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:51:08 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Bia Bri wrote:RevisI'll be around after your organization moves on to something else.s. Prediction that the New Order will end #6843658. You're definitely confirming yourself to be a true carebear, with all the swallowing of anti-Code propaganda entailed. At least try to be lucid enough to understand that 10M ISK buys you some of the best anti-gank tank around for the money.
No, not end. You have proven to be an established brand. Name recognition counts for a fair bit in EvE and I don't doubt your name will be around for years to come.
But i said you guys will move on. If for no other reason than the people you have now will be 10 years older IRL. With new jobs, and their kids graduations, and blah blah. Trying to be the same entity for the next decade is likely to prove impossible, even if CCP weren't mucking around with the core of the game as much as they are now.
If i'm wrong, that's a sad day for everyone involved. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1609
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:52:36 -
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Bia, actually the lag in me typing out my drunken, yet superbly witty response caused other folks to get their posts intermingled before my super witty and oh so very intellig... **** it I can't spell response landed on grid.
I get code. My warning shot was actually fired over Revis' bow, as there are scores of CODE. threads already in existence, and attemtping to hijack another in the name of propaganda is simply bad form.
You are in the right place, you have used your main, you have been civil. The forms of Kanly have been observed, and you have been, at least in my opinion, judged worthy for the now.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 15:59:25 -
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Bia Bri wrote:you guys will move on. If for no other reason than the people you have now will be 10 years older IRL.
Because CODE. isn't constantly bringing in new players.
My goodness, you are continually spouting a stream of carebear delusions.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
734
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Posted - 2015.05.21 16:13:33 -
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+1 op. I applaud you using your main. Posing a well thought out question as a question. And hell even dealing politely with the attention seeking codie that would normally have my support except he is being a pest here. I also recommend the skiff if you are not 100% focused for any reason. The skiff should save you from halfhearted gank attempts and being aligned and paying attention should save you from bumps and a reasonable gank attempt.
PS this was the place to post this
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 16:52:58 -
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Code permit tank is best tank in highsec. The New Order is not "moving on". CODE. membership isn't static, newbros coming in all the time.
In response to OP and his erroneous comments, if those civil corrections are "being a pest" I plead GUILTY AS CHARGED!
Praise James 315!
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2668
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Posted - 2015.05.21 17:21:35 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Bia, actually the lag in me typing out my drunken, yet superbly witty response caused other folks to get their posts intermingled before my super witty and oh so very intellig... **** it I can't spell response landed on grid.
I get code. My warning shot was actually fired over Revis' bow, as there are scores of CODE. threads already in existence, and attemtping to hijack another in the name of propaganda is simply bad form.
You are in the right place, you have used your main, you have been civil. The forms of Kanly have been observed, and you have been, at least in my opinion, judged worthy for the now.
This.
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2250
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Posted - 2015.05.21 18:29:37 -
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OP: As others have pointed out, if someone really wants to gank you, they can and they will, its just a function of whether or not it's Dessy's or Talos's that get used upon the unwary...
While there is nothing you can do to 100% prevent being ganked, fitting a tank is a good step 1 out of 10 towards making a gank less likely.
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