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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 19:17:06 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:fitting a tank is a good step 1 out of 10
Best advice in this thread so far, along with mine. And among tank options, fitting a Code permit tank in your bio is a good step 1 out of 10. Plus it's inexpensive and takes up no slots!
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Kavoro Pel
Sword of the Saviour 315th Circuit Court
13
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Posted - 2015.05.21 19:36:48 -
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Tank, and permit tank. Look at it like this; 260m Hulk/10m mining permit (For a year..).
Agent and knight of the New Order, I support James 315 and so should you.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
143
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Posted - 2015.05.21 20:16:07 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:fitting a tank is a good step 1 out of 10 Best advice in this thread so far, along with mine. And among tank options, fitting a Code permit tank in your bio is a good step 1 out of 10. Plus it's inexpensive and takes up no slots!
i kinda understand your group's RP but got to be honest you are the 1st annoying codie ever.
calmdown carebear!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3959
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Posted - 2015.05.21 20:27:03 -
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Hi OP!
You seem a fun person with a funny name.
I'd just like to point out that if your rock-crunchers are moving at 8 m/s it would be very easy for a cloaked scout to bump them.
Make space glamorous!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23793
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Posted - 2015.05.21 20:41:31 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Code permit tank is best tank in highsec. The New Order is not "moving on". CODE. membership isn't static, newbros coming in all the time.
In response to OP and his erroneous comments, if those civil corrections are "being a pest" I plead GUILTY AS CHARGED!
Praise James 315! Seriously, save it for those that deserve it. OP has come up with a valid strategy and is asking for opinions, not RP propaganda. You should be encouraging them, not spamming the place.
OT
The basic premise is fine, as long as you're at the keyboard; if they're using Catalysts you have a few seconds max if they land within blaster or scram range. DScanning regularly with the range set to a few AU will give you some warning of incoming; especially useful if you're mining in gated mission space and have the range set to just pick up the acceleration gate.
Mine a fair distance off of the warp-in to the belt, I generally have 2 or 3 spots bookmarked that allow me access to the majority of the belt without moving far from them; beware of people who may be providing a warp in. As others have said consider using Procurors or Skiffs, you'll get less yield but gain valuable seconds if caught unawares. Use standings to set known ganking groups to terrible, they'll show up in local.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Mobadder Thworst
Noob Farmers Bad Neighbors.
425
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:10:29 -
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One option you should consider is to see if you can mitigate damage through orbital speed.
When I'm baiting against gun boats I always drop an orbit can and orbit at a range chosen to reduce inbound damage as much as possible.
If you are worried about the hulks and not about the Orca, you could set up a high speed orbit around the orca. High orbital (the tighter the better against close range ships) can reduce damage substantially and make your tank go a lot longer.
Now, I can't even fly a retriever so take this advice with a grain of salt.
Read about gun mechanics to see how this affects damage, but you should never stand still and traveling in a straight line is no better.
If you are in a belt, orbit something. |
Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:24:42 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:you are the 1st annoying codie ever.
Each one of us is annoying to the rebels in the area we patrol, and generally we annoy the anti-Code crowd. By far, I am not the first. Welcome to EvE! How many hours have you been playing so far, and are there any questions I may answer for you?
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:27:36 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:OP has come up with a valid strategy and is asking for opinions, not RP propaganda.
Code permit tank is NOT propaganda and is definitely valid advice for being safer from ganks. You're not a noob, so I'm frankly surprised you confused valid advice for propaganda.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:30:46 -
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Pay attention to local. Try to avoid systems that see frequent ganker activity. And fit a proper tank; I'd recommend moving to skiffs.
Your creativity is commendable but if you really want to put that kind of effort into interacting with CODE just start hunting them with instalocker. The best anti ganking defense is substantial (skiff) tank + a general awareness of what's going on in your system.
You do not need to sit at your keyboard and spam D-scan. Scan every few minutes and use local, system kill trackers and any other intel sources to develop an accurate picture of your piece of sky. Taking down an orca and multiple mining vessels will require several Talos' or a mob of catalysts and at least a small gang of pilots. Local tank, best tank. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
626
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:33:17 -
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shut up about your stupid permits they are a scam
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:34:48 -
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Oh and CODE is notorious for ganking permit holders on the grounds of some perceived "violation." It's just a roleplaying device designed to distinguish their activities from harassment and while their whole religion is very entertaining and generates much content, a "mining permit" will not protect you if you go AFK in a paper hulk.
Get a skiff man, it's like a brick tanked battleship that's actually good at mining. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23793
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Posted - 2015.05.21 21:48:42 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:OP has come up with a valid strategy and is asking for opinions, not RP propaganda. Code permit tank is NOT propaganda and is definitely valid advice for being safer from ganks. You're not a noob, so I'm frankly surprised you confused valid advice for propaganda. The permit is a device that allows you to play as you do without breaking any rules, nothing more nothing less.
I support the idea behind the New Order, behind the long winded narrative from James and the RP is some common sense. I count some members of the New Order as friends, and you sir are making them look bad.
The OP is not your target demographic, the moron in an untanked barge or exhumer, mining with the client minimised, or otherwise AFK who gets ganked and then complains on the forum is.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:27:58 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Oh and CODE is notorious for ganking permit holders on the grounds of some perceived "violation." . . . a "mining permit" will not protect you if you go AFK in a paper hulk.
That's not a perceived violation, that's a true violation. Our rules are you must have a permit AND you must be following the Code. We honor what we say, sorry to have to burst the bubble of the propaganda you've swallowed from anti-Code rebels.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.21 22:31:51 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The OP is not your target demographic
Negative. Everyone in James 315's territory (highsec) is our demographic, and our targets are those without permits or not following the Code. The OP falls squarely within our target demographic. Check with the "New Order friends" you claim to have, sir. You are wrong. Again.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23798
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:22:21 -
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^^ Oh my.
How a once noble cause has become perverted by ego.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1735
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Posted - 2015.05.21 23:41:12 -
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Revis, you know that as important as permits are, they aren't exactly fitting advice. Until ccp adds a permit module for the low slot, let them keep it to fitting.
As for the op, that strategy works well , though if you aren't paying 100% attention, moving to a skiff would probably be better.
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Noobshot Elongur
Blitzkrieg.
8
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:48:57 -
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Lan Wang wrote:dont pay a code permit, dont fund those idiots
Even better, put more retrievers on the market where they gank. Sooner or later people will wise up not to AFK mine and keep track of who is who in these corp/alliances. This way, they slowly (and I mean SLOWLY in some cases) learn what not to do and you make some ISK in the process. |
Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.22 00:57:06 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:How a once noble cause has become perverted by ego.
Ah, a miner-bingo type quote. We've heard it many times before. I don't know if you're a bot-aspirant or carebear, but you are picking up their memes.
The Supreme Protector said in a recent blog post: Of all the complaints I see from the bot-aspirants, my favorite may be the one that goes, "The New Order used to stand for something good, but now they've lost their way." Granted, it's an insincere complaint; it only comes from random carebears, not from people who ever actually supported the New Order at any time. Even so, the argument makes me smile, because it's pretty close to an admission of the New Order's dominance in highsec. Remember when carebears used to say the New Order didn't exist, or that the Code was a joke? Now they admit it was right all along--but claim it is corrupted.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.22 01:01:51 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Revis, you know that as important as permits are, they aren't exactly fitting advice.
Bebop, you know that as important as permits are, agents and the Supreme Protector himself commonly consider a Code permit as a fitting.
Example: Agent Lord Kailethre made an impression with his solo kill of a Damage Control Unit-fitted (but not permit-fitted) Orca. --James 315
Agent of the New Order
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
145
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Posted - 2015.05.22 02:25:33 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:you are the 1st annoying codie ever. Each one of us is annoying to the rebels in the area we patrol, and generally we annoy the anti-Code crowd. By far, I am not the first. Welcome to EvE! How many hours have you been playing so far, and are there any questions I may answer for you?
Nope, you're the 1st to annoy me.
imawreck you, djentrpy heck even loyal are cool. you , you're just annoying.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23807
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Posted - 2015.05.22 02:30:02 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:How a once noble cause has become perverted by ego. Ah, a miner-bingo type quote. We've heard it many times before. I don't know if you're a bot-aspirant or carebear, but you are picking up their memes. Try none of the above, I may be a bear but I'm no carebear.
I was referring to you in particular, not the New Order in general.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2669
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Posted - 2015.05.22 05:16:56 -
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Revis, Jonah is one of the good guys, and a C&P regular.
OP asked good questions and isn't crying.
And Omar is a mission flipper/bear exploder.
You are locking up the wrong targets, mate.
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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Jaxi Wreckful
The Conference Elite CODE.
99
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Posted - 2015.05.22 06:35:59 -
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The amount of effort you guys put into not being ganked is crazy. Websites with link to KB APIs, two even three Intel channels. Just watch local. If you want to mine and watch Netflix go to null where Intel channels actually mean something and your aware of neuts or reds 5-10 jumps out. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2917
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:37:53 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:For once this isn't about you guys directly. OP is about better surviving highsec ganking, and CODE. is most synonymous with highsec ganking to most highsec dwellers. Your comment reveals you've been living isolated on your asteroid for far too long without outside contact.
Correct , for those outside of high-sec it's mostly synonymous with carebear-pvp though. Well either that or tournament-dropouts.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
145
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:48:16 -
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flakeys wrote:Revis Owen wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:For once this isn't about you guys directly. OP is about better surviving highsec ganking, and CODE. is most synonymous with highsec ganking to most highsec dwellers. Your comment reveals you've been living isolated on your asteroid for far too long without outside contact. Correct , for those outside of high-sec it's mostly synonymous with carebear-pvp though. Well either that or tournament-dropouts.
i'll go with tournament drop-outs
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Mobadder Thworst
Noob Farmers Bad Neighbors.
425
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Posted - 2015.05.22 10:39:43 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:One option you should consider is to see if you can mitigate damage through orbital speed.
When I'm baiting against gun boats I always drop an orbit can and orbit at a range chosen to reduce inbound damage as much as possible.
If you are worried about the hulks and not about the Orca, you could set up a high speed orbit around the orca. High orbital (the tighter the better against close range ships) can reduce damage substantially and make your tank go a lot longer.
Now, I can't even fly a retriever so take this advice with a grain of salt.
Read about gun mechanics to see how this affects damage, but you should never stand still and traveling in a straight line is no better.
If you are in a belt, orbit something.
I just bumped my own because I want to know if this is legit for miners.
I'm sure you could protect against tornados like this, but I'm curious if anyone has done the orbital math for miners.
I'm assuming the gank is being delivered in destroyers. Can you orbit fast enough to mitigate a standard gank dessie?
Op, please search forums for "welcome to pvp, v2". It's a tutorial I wrote about pvp. In it, I explain maneuver tactics for minimizing or increasing damage transfer. Whether you can do much good between a hulk and Dessie or not, it is stuff I think you would benefit from knowing. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1623
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Posted - 2015.05.22 11:51:09 -
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I dunno Mo, most barges move painfully slow to start with and don't carry a great deal of powergrid for sporting prop mods. Even when fitted, the effect seemed more or less minimal from my experience. They also accelerate slowly as well.
Reducing their top speed so as to make them align faster would be a more intuitive approach, as with the possible exception of the skiff and procurer they're really unlikely to be able to soak the punishing dps of a gank catalyst, or worse two of them.
The absolute best defense for them is to simply not be on grid anymore when the gank squad lands.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:29:51 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Revis, Jonah is one of the good guys, and a C&P regular.
OP asked good questions and isn't crying.
And Omar is a mission flipper/bear exploder.
You are locking up the wrong targets, mate.
I totally agree with the first three sentences.
My advice to OP to add Code permit tank is valid given what I am, a New Order agent.
My other responses have been just that: responses to comments about what I said or the New Order. And my responses have been correct per who I am, a New Order agent.
If you wish to determine who is locking up whom, it would be the comment initiator, not the responder, mate. :)
I agree with you. Some of them have been locking up the wrong target. :)
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Jaxi Wreckful
The Conference Elite CODE.
101
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:03:15 -
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Honestly OP the age of the Mackinaw/Hulks in High-Sec are over. If it's not the suicide gankers who find you then the miners in your system will make sure they do. It's not really a matter of if you can get away with it but more-so how long. The ROI on a non-Skiff exhumer is just not worth it when you factor in losses.
The only reason I'd say try this out is if you actually enjoy the "thrill" of evading ganks. Otherwise you will lose these ships at some point. Good on you for the innovative idea though. |
Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
174
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:13:56 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I was referring to you in particular, not the New Order in general.
As long as I'm adhering to New Order doctrine, there is no distinction.
Everyone in James 315's territory (highsec) is our demographic, and our targets are those without permits or not following the Code. The OP falls squarely within our target demographic.
That is consistent with doctrine. If you have a beef with that, you have a beef with the New Order, not me individually.
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