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Van Dracon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.22 05:42:24 -
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Is this some sort of a joke.
1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up.
I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills).
Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong.
I would like to read up on your experience feedback please. |
Violet Crumble
Funtime Factory
722
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Posted - 2015.05.22 05:56:01 -
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Yes, the Prospect doesn't have a drone bay, however I'm not sure a flight of light drones is going to be all that effective against the group of sleepers that warp in.
I also mine gas in wormholes, typically shattered holes which can spawn all types of gas and up to C5/6 rats.
What I do to overcome the limited defence is scan down 4-5 gas sites and then warp to the one that will have the C320 and C540 gas. Huff as much as I can before the rats spawn. That usually gets me about 2500 cu.m of either gas. Then I warp to the next site and huff the most valuable of the available gas. Rinse and repeat when the rats spawn.
Avoiding the rats and harvesting from multiple sites nets me around 70 million ISK worth of gas per ore hold load, assuming I including C320 or C540.
The other option I use is to clear out the easier sites in the shattered hole when the rats spawn and then clear the field. The rats in the Vital Perimeter sites though will alpha a Confessor from 100km, so I just move on when they spawn.
I generally like the shattered holes that only allow frigates and destroyers inside because defence can be planned very effectively and no one can live in the shattered holes so they are often empty.
The larger ore hold and covops cloak of the Prospect wins out for me over the WCS of the Venture and its drones. It allows me to mine more and move effectively through other holes to an exit when needed.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1032
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Posted - 2015.05.22 05:58:18 -
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Van Dracon wrote:Is this some sort of a joke.
1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up.
I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills).
Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong.
I would like to read up on your experience feedback please. You can't kill sleeper rats in a Venture with your two light drones. You would die quite quickly.
So, yes, you are limited to 15-20 minutes of gas harvesting before the rats arrive without assistance to clear the sleepers. That is just the life of a ninja gas miner.
Whether the increased ore hold and the safety of the covert cloak are worth it over the the Venture is up to you. However, the gas bonus and large hold makes fitting out a battlecruiser or whatever with gas harvesters a poor idea and no one does it anymore. Stick to one of the mining frigates and either move on, bring a friend to clear the rats, or come back in a combat ship and do it yourself. |
Miles Parabellum
Zealots of Bob
53
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Posted - 2015.05.22 06:17:37 -
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I must admit, given the large difference in price and the small difference in performance, I have no idea why anybody would use a prospect. If one of you guys can enlighten me, that would be nice. Of course, I also tend to AFK gasmine with no implants (only once come back to the game, sitting in a station). |
Kashadin
Big Johnson's
28
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Posted - 2015.05.22 06:20:37 -
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I think the biggest thing against the prospect is that it is way more expensive than the venture, personally the fact that I can replace like 5 ventures for the price of the cov-ops cloak that the prospect uses over innate stabs that the venture gets is the main reason I would use the venture.
Unless the price of the Prospect comes down a ton, the price point is going to hold the Prospect back form being a good choice for WH gas mining. |
Violet Crumble
Funtime Factory
723
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Posted - 2015.05.22 06:36:49 -
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Each to their own I guess.
I prefer the Prospect for ninja mining in both J-Space and sov null (I also use mining barges to ninja mine in sov null and prefer them where possible).
In j-space the covops cloak allows me to move through chains more effectively than I could in a Venture and the double sized ore hold means fewer trips back to drop gas off.
In sov null, the cloak makes it much quicker to stop and restart mining if a neutral enters system. I can cloak in position and wait, then decloak and mine again. Having to warp to a safe in a mining barge becomes tiring.
I haven't lost a Prospect yet, so cost is irrelevant at this point. I build them, but 18 million ISK is not something I worry about.
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Miles Parabellum
Zealots of Bob
53
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:00:46 -
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Assuming all relevant skills at level 5, what is the practical difference in the mining speed? Is it only the cov ops cloak and larger hold which separate the two ships? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37471
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:07:14 -
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Miles Parabellum wrote:Assuming all relevant skills at level 5, what is the practical difference in the mining speed? Is it only the cov ops cloak and larger hold which separate the two ships? +25% mining yield from the expedition frigate bonuses (the other mining bonuses also being mirrored on the Venture)
Prospect Ship Bonuses:
Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Mining yield 5% reduction in Gas Cloud Harvesting duration
Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to Mining yield 5% reduction in ship signature radius
Role Bonus: 100% bonus to Mining and Gas Cloud Harvesting yield 100% reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement GÇó Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator GÇó Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds
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Navy Jackal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:33:44 -
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With 2 miner laser upgrades and 2 miner lasers II Expedition Frigate IV skill would give me exactly 15 minutes to fill 10 000 m3 cargo hold in Prospect. At least according to EFT. So when rats come - I would be full anyway. |
Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
31
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:47:55 -
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Prospect has a Covert Cloak.... i dont think you fully understand how useful this is....
2 light drones wont do anything in a WH against either a player or the rats your better to run.... i would prefer using the prospect larger bay bigger bonus's and as i said a cov ops cloak...
You see someone on Dscan... you cloak... now they cant find you....can be useful when you need to run away with a hold full of gas |
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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:21:10 -
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Van Dracon wrote:Is this some sort of a joke.
1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up.
I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills).
Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong.
I would like to read up on your experience feedback please.
The prospect has a far better tank (when fitted) that allows you to gtfo when sleepers turn up. I also survived being jumped by a stealth bomber in a WH a couple of weeks back - was able to soak the damage whilst my higher top speed allowed me to get outside the range of his scrambler and then warp off. All in all I love the little ship.
As for the high slots - just fit one miner. Sometimes not everything is about yield. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37471
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:25:07 -
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Elinarien wrote:The prospect has a far better tank (when fitted) that allows you to gtfo when sleepers turn up. I also survived being jumped by a stealth bomber in a WH a couple of weeks back - was able to soak the damage whilst my higher top speed allowed me to get outside the range of his scrambler and then warp off. All in all I love the little ship. Yeah, you get the sig radius bonus too, so torps aren't all that effective against it with good skills.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
262
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Posted - 2015.05.22 11:11:46 -
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Ninja gas mining in a prospect.
I love it. The isk prints itself.
Don't need no stinking drones. Jump into a wh, scan the gas sites, warp in to the first one, you've got maybe 20 minutes before the rats spawn, when they do you'll be glad you have the prospect. warp off to the next one, rinse repeat.
Instrumental gas sites with a group of prospects... mmmm
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Stacy Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2015.05.22 11:28:56 -
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It is called "ninja" gas mining for a reason. You don't fight the sleepers.
2 light drones from a venture won't even scratch a sleeper. So they are absolutely irrelevant. The propect brings
- twice the ore hold - 25% more gas mining yield - a covert ops cloak, which is insanely useful in wspace - significatly more tank then a venture - an even lower signature radius
It has 4 low slots, so if you fit 2 warp core stabs you still have 2 low slots free. This means that using a prospect gives you more fitting options then using a venture.
I go with a haccking/scanning char which scans down the sites and hacks them, while my prospect does the gas sites. Granted, you need a depot to bring a cloak and a probe launcher, but you have the same limitation on the venture.
If the price concerns you, you are doing something wrong. You can not loose a prospect unless you are making mistakes or think that you can AFK mine in a wh. I have not lost a single propect yet, and I'm flying one since few days they came out. I still have that first one. And even a propect pays off with just one gas site. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
420
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Posted - 2015.05.22 11:46:59 -
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Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3105
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:24:03 -
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GankYou wrote:Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs. Hey Dude, wanna have another lossmail with my name on it ? :)
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
421
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:35:05 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:GankYou wrote:Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs. Hey Dude, wanna have another lossmail with my name on it ? :)
You owe me a Council Diplomatic Shuttle and my attach+¬ diplomat mister 1400mm Howitzer II in Rens shall get in touch with you shortly.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
655
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:48:18 -
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So gas mining on your own in a prospect in a WH isn't working out.
Solutions: - Find a ship that does allow you to do this on your own (according to your post there are cruiser hulls that fit the bill) - Find another person to tag along and take care of the rats
My reply assumes that you want to harvest gas in a WH. If your post is purely about the Prospect not doing what you want, you can ignore this reply. Supers haven't done what I want for yeas now. My Drake and Hurricane are also dead in the water. |
Solstice Punk
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:32:36 -
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GankYou wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:GankYou wrote:Great thread - I deeply admire the courage and relentlessness of the people supplying us with sweet, sweet Cs. Hey Dude, wanna have another lossmail with my name on it ? :) You owe me a Council Diplomatic Shuttle and my attach+¬ diplomat mister 1400mm Howitzer II in Rens shall get in touch with you shortly. Bring it !
BRING IT !
YOU THINK YOU'RE THE FIRST I STOMPED INTO THE GROUND ? THE FIRST WHO HIDES IN STATION FROM A LITTLE THRASHER ???
BRING IT !
I DOUBLEDOGDARE YOU !!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
Also ..... Hek. Not Rens.
HEK ! THE SHITTIEST AND MOST BORING PLACE TO BE ! |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
372
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:52:15 -
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Van Dracon wrote:Is this some sort of a joke.
1 - Spent hours leveling my skills to fly prospect for gas harvesting 2 - Prospect frigate doesn't have any drone bays but the venture does go figure 3 - Prospect does have good size mining bay 4 - You can kill rats with a venture but not with a prospect 5 - You need to carry a mobile depot cause the prospect cannot handle enough high slots 6 - I give up.
I started gas harvesting in a worm hole last night. Yes it's great money in fact we have to scan for the sites which aint that bad. Once finding the site you then start your harvesting, as you do a few mins later you get rats. The prospect doesn't give you any offensive against these rats since the drone bay has been nerfed (thanks ccp for a great harvesting ship that uses high skills).
Can someone fill me in on this. I am really surprised, i read on forums many players not using the prospect at all and using a cruiser type of ship that has offensive capabilities and cargo expanders. So what is the purpose of the prospect being so high skill demanding and so useless offensively in wh's. If i have to jump from gas site to gas site just to harvest a small amount before i go to the next one it kinda defeats the purpose of ore or ice mining as there is less headaches in that department compared to this unless i'm doing something wrong.
I would like to read up on your experience feedback please.
Don't play solo.
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Ginger Yume
Haggis Humpers Gate Camp Theory
3
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Posted - 2015.05.22 18:00:23 -
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The major bonus is the double-sized ore hold. If you are ninja mining, that means after you scan down the 3-4 gas sites in a hole, you can take a chunk of all of them before having to go home. |
Delegate
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2015.05.22 20:53:32 -
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Most solo miners go with venture. AB/nano venture is arguably most difficult to gank unless you have dictor. Prospect will bring more attention and it will die to a properly fit bomber. |
Newt BlackCompany
BlackCompany Personal Corp
46
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:36:46 -
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You are doing it wrong.
1. Ninja the gas sites for 15-20 minutes with your prospect. With an instrumental site that will give you about 30M worth of gas.
2. When the sleepers arrive, leave and reship into a T3 or a ishtar (or whatever really...)
3. When the sleepers are dead, loot/salvage them (another 25M or so)
4. Reship and return with your prospect and suck gas. An instrumental site is worth about 400M total, and takes a few hours to clear with one prospect.
Just remember to dscan a lot. Wholers love to catch a sleepy prospect pilot. But, if you are paying attention, you will be VERY hard to catch.
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Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2015.05.23 11:09:13 -
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Last time I tried gas harvesting, I got bubbled and podded by a sabre. |
permion
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
19
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Posted - 2015.05.23 11:23:31 -
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Last time I was in a shattered WH I stayed for a couple of days in my astero, since it gave bonuses that benefited my armor and it was fun soloing for a while.
Seriously the place had 33+ signatures in it on some days. 3 were sites I cared about, around 5 or 6 WH's, and the rest all gas. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
296
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Posted - 2015.05.23 14:14:54 -
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The Prospects weapon is its covert cloak |
Tomb Ovaert
Redshield Holding Company
0
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Posted - 2015.06.11 10:49:05 -
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Brian Harrelstein wrote:Last time I tried gas harvesting, I got bubbled and podded by a sabre.
Cloak + MWD trick bru. |
Verlyn
Brink's Bar Adirainia
38
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:17:35 -
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Gassers.
Lol. |
Yodik
Dwarfed ORE
0
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Posted - 2015.06.15 06:39:56 -
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what you know about prospect... |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
526
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:03:58 -
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Yodik wrote:Violet Crumble wrote:Huff as much as I can before the rats spawn. Black Pedro wrote: you are limited to 15-20 minutes of gas harvesting before the rats arrive Mithandra wrote: you've got maybe 20 minutes before the rats spawn
Newt BlackCompany wrote: 1. Ninja the gas sites for 15-20 minutes with your prospect. With an instrumental site that will give you about 30M worth of gas. 2. When the sleepers arrive, leave and reship into a T3 or a ishtar (or whatever really...)
what you know about prospect...
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BR0u5rzCUAMNfCK.jpg:large
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