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Kara Searae
White Dragon Mining and Holdings
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:33:11 -
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Hey there I'm looking to run through level 4 missions. However I'm a new player and I don't know which fit to go for and what skills are really nice to have when doing level 4 missions. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Will be much appreciated. |
erg cz
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2015.05.22 07:54:17 -
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Machariel is one of the best ships to blitz L4 missions. But it is also very skill (both in-game and personal combat) demanding. Any fit you will find here (number of them were already posted - just use search button) will point you toward large auto cannons, active shield and a fair amount of heavy drones skills. You will also need good core support skills to be able to fit every thing.
Download EFT and try to fit this, fo example: Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Sentient Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner Heavy Capacitor Booster II Pith A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
800mm Repeating Cannon II,Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II,Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II,Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II,Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II,Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II,Barrage L 800mm Repeating Cannon II,Barrage L
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Whole bunch of T2 drones.
Saying all this I try to lure you into flying more newbee friendly L4 mission power horse: Dominix with sentry drones . Much more easier to survive (drone range bonus is your tank) and gives you a lot of time to learn all about triggers and damage dealers in different missions. After you learn missions so well, that you do not need to check eve-survival.org that often - you can go try a brawling ship instead of sniper one. And machariel will require you to skill gallente battleship any way... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15940
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Posted - 2015.05.22 13:27:08 -
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[Machariel, end game pve]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Damage Control II True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Phased Plasma L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, Phased Plasma L Small Tractor Beam II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
High-grade Ascendancy Alpha High-grade Ascendancy Beta High-grade Ascendancy Gamma High-grade Ascendancy Delta High-grade Ascendancy Epsilon High-grade Ascendancy Omega Zainou 'Deadeye' Trajectory Analysis TA-706 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-906 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006
Highly effective at blitzing but very skill intensive and the implants arn't cheap. I always advise running level 3 missions until you get the skills and experince. The above fit will easily hit 70 mil/hr before adding the implants running level 3 missions and the ship fittings are not all that expensive.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1241
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Posted - 2015.05.22 14:44:51 -
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Mach really isnt very skill intensive at all TBH. I started using mine at around 700 DPS with meta 4 guns. Then as you get more skills it blossoms. As you get more money for better mods it blossoms also.
Ships like RS, Fleet Typhoon, and Armageddon are skill intensive as they take 2 or more weapons systems to master.
Ironically Domi is another choice that you can start out with low SP and then skill into an absolute beast.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15942
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Posted - 2015.05.22 16:43:53 -
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[Machariel, starter pve]
Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Internal Force Field Array I True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L Small Tractor Beam I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Should be a fairly easy to train into setup for blitzing level 3s for some easy cash while you train. Upgrade as and when you get the skills. Fitting skills will be important so once you can fly this get those trained up quickly.
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
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Posted - 2015.05.22 18:10:37 -
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You shoudl at least expect t2 gyros. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.05.22 20:16:33 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:You shoudl at least expect t2 gyros.
Hmm why not Faction ones? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15942
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Posted - 2015.05.22 20:34:26 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:You shoudl at least expect t2 gyros. Hmm why not Faction ones?
As I said, upgrade as needed. Its not like level 3 missions are known for their tankiness
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
367
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Posted - 2015.05.22 22:36:30 -
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The only problem I have with my mach is running out of cap boosters to run the shield booster on tougher missions like WC and The Blockade. I could squeeze a bit more in using faction boosters but that on top of faction ammo really chews into profits. It is a very fun ship to fly and I'm already doing over 800 DPS excluding drones, despite having incomplete skills for projectile turrets and Minnie BS at 3 |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15942
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Posted - 2015.05.22 22:41:05 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:The only problem I have with my mach is running out of cap boosters to run the shield booster on tougher missions like WC and The Blockade. I could squeeze a bit more in using faction boosters but that on top of faction ammo really chews into profits. It is a very fun ship to fly and I'm already doing over 800 DPS excluding drones, despite having incomplete skills for projectile turrets and Minnie BS at 3
The blockade can be done in stages, dont shoot the trigger for the next wave until last.
I tend to skip worlds collide as I can do several missions in the time it takes to do that one.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
367
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Posted - 2015.05.22 23:21:45 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:The only problem I have with my mach is running out of cap boosters to run the shield booster on tougher missions like WC and The Blockade. I could squeeze a bit more in using faction boosters but that on top of faction ammo really chews into profits. It is a very fun ship to fly and I'm already doing over 800 DPS excluding drones, despite having incomplete skills for projectile turrets and Minnie BS at 3 The blockade can be done in stages, dont shoot the trigger for the next wave until last. I tend to skip worlds collide as I can do several missions in the time it takes to do that one.
The problem with the blockade is the damping, if I'm thinking of the right one. Maybe the assault too, if you run it against serpentis rats. Having to close inside 25k to kill the damping HACs is a hassle. But I usually omni tank, fitting a thermic and kinetic invuln instead of 2x adaptives will help I think.
If standings weren't an issue I'd just skip everything except dread pirate scarlet and the damsel.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15942
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Posted - 2015.05.22 23:24:02 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:baltec1 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:The only problem I have with my mach is running out of cap boosters to run the shield booster on tougher missions like WC and The Blockade. I could squeeze a bit more in using faction boosters but that on top of faction ammo really chews into profits. It is a very fun ship to fly and I'm already doing over 800 DPS excluding drones, despite having incomplete skills for projectile turrets and Minnie BS at 3 The blockade can be done in stages, dont shoot the trigger for the next wave until last. I tend to skip worlds collide as I can do several missions in the time it takes to do that one. The problem with the blockade is the damping, if I'm thinking of the right one. Maybe the assault too, if you run it against serpentis rats. Having to close inside 25k to kill the damping HACs is a hassle. But I usually omni tank, fitting a thermic and kinetic invuln instead of 2x adaptives will help I think. If standings weren't an issue I'd just skip everything except dread pirate scarlet and the damsel.
Might be worth swapping to a vargur for such missions.
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.23 05:10:12 -
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baltec1 wrote:[Machariel, starter pve]
Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I Gyrostabilizer I Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Internal Force Field Array I True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Fusion L Small Tractor Beam I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Should be a fairly easy to train into setup for blitzing level 3s for some easy cash while you train. Upgrade as and when you get the skills. Fitting skills will be important so once you can fly this get those trained up quickly.
If you cannot fit T2 for the core modules and weapons, do not fly the ship. This is especially true of very expensive, pirate-faction ships. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15944
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Posted - 2015.05.23 05:12:44 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
If you cannot fit T2 for the core modules and weapons, do not fly the ship. This is especially true of very expensive, pirate-faction ships.
Even with the T1 gear and basic skills that ship is overkill in level 3 missions.
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Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
130
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Posted - 2015.05.23 05:30:19 -
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baltec1 wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
If you cannot fit T2 for the core modules and weapons, do not fly the ship. This is especially true of very expensive, pirate-faction ships.
Even with the T1 gear and basic skills that ship is overkill in level 3 missions.
In level 3's, it's beyond overkill. The Machariel is overkill for 90% of L4's. |
Kara Searae
White Dragon Mining and Holdings
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Posted - 2015.05.23 11:32:21 -
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I see there is a lot of shared opinions. I have been watching around on the internet and I came across this video with this fit, tell me what you think about it :)
High Power: 7x 800mm Repeating Cannon II 1x Small Tractor Beam II
Medium Power: 2x Large Shield Extender II 1x 100MN Microwarpdrive II 2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Low Power: 3x Gyrostabilizer II 1x Damage Control II 3x Tracking Enhancer II
Rig: 3x Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Drones: 2x Warrior 2x Hobgoblin 5x Valkyrie 3x Valkyrie SW-600
Is this good for level 4 missions? |
Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
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Posted - 2015.05.23 15:06:37 -
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I recomment to try this out:
Hi slots: 7x Polarized 800mm Repeating autocanonn
Med slots: Gist A-Type 100mn MWD 2x Pith X-Type shield boost ampilifier PIth X-type x large shield booster Cap recharger
Low slots: 4x Rep fleet gyros 3x TE 2
Rigs: Projectile burst aerator shield cap reduction rig
Imps:
Genulation set Mid grade crystal epsilon Warp speed WS-15 Projectile turret damage imps
That ship does around 1750 dps with hail, has still 500 tank and can easly make 100m/h in Lanngisi
i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
275
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Posted - 2015.05.23 15:20:15 -
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Gustav Mannfred wrote:I recomment to try this out:
Hi slots: 7x Polarized 800mm Repeating autocanonn
Med slots: Gist A-Type 100mn MWD
Its a trick, don't fall for it! |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
298
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Posted - 2015.05.23 15:52:56 -
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Afaik thats the best isk/h fit for the mach. |
stoicfaux
5667
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Posted - 2015.05.23 17:00:49 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Afaik thats the best isk/h fit for the mach. For whom? The mission runner or the ganker?
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
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Posted - 2015.05.23 18:25:02 -
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You dont spend enough time in the missions for gankers to reliably probe you out, and if you actually spam dscan not much will be able to get to you (obviously warp if a shitton of dessies/any other ganky group come within 0.1 au). |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15949
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Posted - 2015.05.23 18:38:16 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:You dont spend enough time in the missions for gankers to reliably probe you out, and if you actually spam dscan not much will be able to get to you (obviously warp if a shitton of dessies/any other ganky group come within 0.1 au).
It will die on a gate or undocking at the station.
The pimp one I linked isn't going to bring all the ganks to the yard, cos they're like, coming to get a gank on yours.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.23 19:07:04 -
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stoicfaux wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:Afaik thats the best isk/h fit for the mach. For whom? The mission runner or the ganker? Brb moving 4 tornado alts |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
298
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Posted - 2015.05.23 20:01:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:You dont spend enough time in the missions for gankers to reliably probe you out, and if you actually spam dscan not much will be able to get to you (obviously warp if a shitton of dessies/any other ganky group come within 0.1 au). It will die on a gate or undocking at the station. The pimp one I linked isn't going to bring all the ganks to the yard, cos they're like, coming to get a gank on yours.
Im not saying his fit is best, but the idea is.
Also, if you die on a undock you are a horrible bad who has no idea what instas are. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
368
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Posted - 2015.05.23 23:08:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:baltec1 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:The only problem I have with my mach is running out of cap boosters to run the shield booster on tougher missions like WC and The Blockade. I could squeeze a bit more in using faction boosters but that on top of faction ammo really chews into profits. It is a very fun ship to fly and I'm already doing over 800 DPS excluding drones, despite having incomplete skills for projectile turrets and Minnie BS at 3 The blockade can be done in stages, dont shoot the trigger for the next wave until last. I tend to skip worlds collide as I can do several missions in the time it takes to do that one. The problem with the blockade is the damping, if I'm thinking of the right one. Maybe the assault too, if you run it against serpentis rats. Having to close inside 25k to kill the damping HACs is a hassle. But I usually omni tank, fitting a thermic and kinetic invuln instead of 2x adaptives will help I think. If standings weren't an issue I'd just skip everything except dread pirate scarlet and the damsel. Might be worth swapping to a vargur for such missions.
That's a loooooong train. Honestly just wondering if I should get a rattlesnake like all the other peasants.
I have near full drone skills and good shield, would just need Caldari BS 4 and then possibly some missile skills. Though the snake is probably fine with just sentries and heavies no? Terribly boring to fly and slow though... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15953
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Posted - 2015.05.23 23:46:24 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
That's a loooooong train. Honestly just wondering if I should get a rattlesnake like all the other peasants.
I have near full drone skills and good shield, would just need Caldari BS 4 and then possibly some missile skills. Though the snake is probably fine with just sentries and heavies no? Terribly boring to fly and slow though...
It will work but it wont be as fast as a turret based ship.
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Kara Searae
White Dragon Mining and Holdings
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Posted - 2015.05.24 09:44:02 -
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So is the fit I posted good enough for level 4 missions? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.05.24 09:54:28 -
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Kara Searae wrote:I see there is a lot of shared opinions. I have been watching around on the internet and I came across this video with this fit, tell me what you think about it :)
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Is this good for level 4 missions?
[Machariel, Machariel Domination edition]
Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Tracking Enhancer Domination Tracking Enhancer Damage Control II Domination Nanofiber Structure
Domination EM Ward Field Domination Adaptive Invulnerability Field Domination X-Large Shield Booster Domination Shield Boost Amplifier Domination 100MN Microwarpdrive
Domination 800mm Repeating Cannon Domination 800mm Repeating Cannon Domination 800mm Repeating Cannon Domination 800mm Repeating Cannon Domination 800mm Repeating Cannon Domination 800mm Repeating Cannon Domination 800mm Repeating Cannon [Empty High slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Republic Fleet Warrior x5 Republic Fleet Valkyrie x5 Caldari Navy Vespa x5
replace all those with T2 version until you are comfortable to pimp your ship and no tto rage quit if you loose it |
Kara Searae
White Dragon Mining and Holdings
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Posted - 2015.05.24 20:00:47 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Kara Searae wrote:I see there is a lot of shared opinions. I have been watching around on the internet and I came across this video with this fit, tell me what you think about it :)
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Is this good for level 4 missions? [Machariel, Machariel Domination edition] **** replace all those with T2 version until you are comfortable to pimp your ship and no tto rage quit if you loose it
If I lose it I'll just buy a new one ;P Thanks for all the answers I will try out some of the fits ^^ |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
199
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Posted - 2015.05.24 20:14:31 -
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Kara Searae wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Kara Searae wrote:I see there is a lot of shared opinions. I have been watching around on the internet and I came across this video with this fit, tell me what you think about it :)
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Is this good for level 4 missions? [Machariel, Machariel Domination edition] **** replace all those with T2 version until you are comfortable to pimp your ship and no to rage quit if you lose it If I lose it I'll just buy a new one ;P Thanks for all the answers I will try out some of the fits ^^
Just be self prepaired before accepting missions, look through evesurvival. |
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