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Enya Sparhawk
Black Tea and Talons
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Posted - 2015.05.23 20:15:49 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Okay i dont wanna get in trouble and have this thread abused and turned into offtopic stuff. Please answer reasonabley.
So i havent seen this debate happen on the forums. I tried googling and using the eve search but cant find this thread/topic.
So..
What makes people want to pve? Is it the "victory against bad guys" appeal? Is it the "i want to 'finish' the game/beat the game" idea? Is it the content? Like that its fun? Is it the commradie of taking down the "boss"? Is it the "puzzles" like finding right spec, trying out correct techniques?
Any other psychological reasons you can think of?
Please keep this a scientific study that is about pve in eve. Addiction.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11085
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Posted - 2015.05.23 20:24:50 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do people PVE exclusively?
- Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies)
This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true.
Myself for instance, I never had a 'bad' pvp experience, I have had some EMBARRASING PVE loses (some of them have killmails either based on the fact that a real player took a shot at me, or an alt or buddy accidentally aggressed me) and consequently I've lost major assets due to pve. As for ship to ship combat PVP, the only kind I actually "crave" is the kind that takes null space (aka the "big blobs") because I like being a part of a big fleet, and taking space means new PVE opportunities for people like me. Small gang, solo, hot dropping, gate camping and other forms of "making stuff go boom for the sake of making it go boom" PVP doesn't appeal to me though I will sometimes join a corp/alliance roam just to keep my face on a killboard because the PVPrs running the corp think that's important .
There are lots of reasons (even in a PVP-centric game) to prefer PVE (I'm not exclusive, but a good 90% of what I do in game is PVE) that are not 'bad' reasons. EVE's sandbox PVE appeals to tinkerer/puzzle-solver/engineer type gamers. It's not the actual PVE content (which is generally uninteresting by itself), it's the fact that there are MILLIONS of ways to tackle that content and finding those ways are fun for us, everything from figuring out how to do regular lvl 4 missions with frigate sized ships to figuring out how to multi-box null sec anomalies without any kind of isboxer style crap (all i'll say is "FOUR FoF missile T1 Ravens warping in at 100km, screw your expensive smartbombing battleships at zero where they can get pointed by npcs crap" lol).
This is in direct contrast to "themepark" style PVE that is focuses on "telling a story and making the player part of the story, and making that player the HERO of the story". CCP has actually demonstrated some understanding in this regard with adding Drifters and Burner Missions and watching people explode as they try to figure them out.
Lots of EVE PVErs are delusional and disappointed "misplaced themeparkers" that play the game despite the fact that it just cannot provide the kind of immersive experience real PVE focused games do. But lots of us are not like that, we like EVE PVE for what it is and don't need CCP screwing that up by trying to get 'creative' in hopes of entertaining un-entertain-able people. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2951
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Posted - 2015.05.23 20:50:39 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do people PVE exclusively?
- Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true. .
That is kinda his angle , he is a troll for a reason and i'm not the only one seeing that as ISD usually locks his threads pretty fast.They should really have a rule with X amount of threads closed you can not create new ones for X weeks/months .
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
368
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Posted - 2015.05.23 21:11:08 -
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flakeys wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do people PVE exclusively?
- Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) No risk of embarassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü ....
Some of m most expensive losses have been in PvE, because I tend to be less careful than if I were facing other players. I tend to forget that if you end up at the wrong range and don't start aligning out fast enough, or get blobbed by scram/web frigates, the NPC's actually can make your ship go boom.
Especially if I've been running the same missions for awhile I tend to get careless and hilarity ensues. Like when I lost a proteus in the second room of Worlds Collide because I didn't pull range before aggressing the mob of elite frigates sitting on the warpin...80/90% resists don't save you when you're quadruple webbed and target painted in front of a dozen battleships and cruisers.
I am not a very good min/maxer.
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.05.23 21:37:27 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do people PVE exclusively?
- Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true. Myself for instance, I never had a 'bad' pvp experience, I have had some EMBARRASING PVE loses (some of them have killmails either based on the fact that a real player took a shot at me, or an alt or buddy accidentally aggressed me) and consequently I've lost major assets due to pve. As for ship to ship combat PVP, the only kind I actually "crave" is the kind that takes null space (aka the "big blobs") because I like being a part of a big fleet, and taking space means new PVE opportunities for people like me. Small gang, solo, hot dropping, gate camping and other forms of "making stuff go boom for the sake of making it go boom" PVP doesn't appeal to me though I will sometimes join a corp/alliance roam just to keep my face on a killboard because the PVPrs running the corp think that's important . There are lots of reasons (even in a PVP-centric game) to prefer PVE (I'm not exclusive, but a good 90% of what I do in game is PVE) that are not 'bad' reasons. EVE's sandbox PVE appeals to tinkerer/puzzle-solver/engineer type gamers. It's not the actual PVE content (which is generally uninteresting by itself), it's the fact that there are MILLIONS of ways to tackle that content and finding those ways are fun for us, everything from figuring out how to do regular lvl 4 missions with frigate sized ships to figuring out how to multi-box null sec anomalies without any kind of isboxer style crap (all i'll say is "FOUR FoF missile T1 Ravens warping in at 100km, screw your expensive smartbombing battleships at zero where they can get pointed by npcs crap" lol). This is in direct contrast to "themepark" style PVE that is focuses on "telling a story and making the player part of the story, and making that player the HERO of the story". CCP has actually demonstrated some understanding in this regard with adding Drifters and Burner Missions and watching people explode as they try to figure them out. Lots of EVE PVErs are delusional and disappointed "misplaced themeparkers" that play the game despite the fact that it just cannot provide the kind of immersive experience real PVE focused games do. But lots of us are not like that, we like EVE PVE for what it is and don't need CCP screwing that up by trying to get 'creative' in hopes of entertaining un-entertain-able people.
*Claps hands*
Bravo! Couldn't have said it better myself |
Yuri Ostrovskoy
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2015.05.23 23:07:51 -
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Also, yall need to ignore Solicist and her army of alts. That ones so batcrap crazy, that this is real life for her. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2284
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Posted - 2015.05.24 01:24:24 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I am very reasonable. I am a scientist. I dont understand jive at my killboard? 2.1b kills to under 40mill in losses? Thats pretty elite. I dont get it. Saying im not very active? That has been true i havent been of any of my badass pvpers lately due to summer school and work and my sexy girlfriend and some other important things. I was way more active few months ago, shall be again soon.
Keep up the good experimentation guys, i am proud
I have a pretty awesome KB too if you look at nothing besides that percentages and value destroyed and bla bla. I'm still pretty **** at/avoid PvP most of the time ^^ |
Sunrise Aigele
Pemberley Enterprises BadWrongFun
58
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:48:44 -
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The puzzle-solving aspect of PVE make it interesting. There is enough variety for different people to approach it in different ways for different reasons. I enjoy its availability, and the chance to try different approaches to the same problem to see what happens. But it is not merely about mastery! I have been known to send the "wrong" ship into a mission just to see if I could get it back out. This can give me "The Rush" more surely than most PVP, simply because it happens over a long enough time period for suspense to build while I puzzle a way out. When I warped my Abaddon out of Buzz Kill vs Angels after having complicated things greatly by shooting the triggers, and after the last two of my five Warrior IIs had finally killed the last of the elite frigate that had pointed me, the ship was at 14% hull, and my hands were trembling!
By contrast, PVP combat is often much less exciting to me, simply because so many people ensure that the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Foregone conclusions fail to interest me for long. I might learn a good trick from watching a clever pilot. I might discover how my ship can be rendered toothless (woe to my beloved golden laser bricks!). Both slake my curiosity. Neither are thrilling. If I I could not focus as absolutely on combat as he does, so perhaps at a later time when I have done all that I can with the content I currently enjoy I will try to play his way. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3428
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:53:44 -
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flakeys wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do people PVE exclusively?
- Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarrassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) No risk of embarrassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü .... Which is why there is no risk of embarrassment from missions: Others don't see you mess up.
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1136
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:56:12 -
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Because EvE is a PvE game.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2015.05.24 04:49:02 -
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Mostly to rage at how the forums never work properly. Will this post make it through? We'll see.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2952
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Posted - 2015.05.24 07:52:56 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:flakeys wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do people PVE exclusively?
- Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarrassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) No risk of embarrassment? You have never seen me do missions then =ƒÿü .... Which is why there is no risk of embarrassment from missions: Others don't see you mess up.
Usually your corpmates will though.But yes the people who browse the killboards will not.Might be me but i get more emberassed when people i play with spot a stupid loss then complete strangers who's opinion i don't give a f about... but that's just lill odd me i guess .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1588
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:25:13 -
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flakeys wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do people PVE exclusively?
- Bad prior experience in PVP - Friends dragged them into the game. - Predictability. - No risk of embarrassment. - No risk of lost assets (talking grinders not newbies) This is extremely short sighted. While that may be true for someone, it's not universally true.. That is kinda his angle , he is a troll for a reason and i'm not the only one seeing that as ISD usually locks his threads pretty fast.They should really have a rule with X amount of threads closed you can not create new ones for X weeks/months . *Sigh* It is easier to dismiss what I say as trolling. The reason someone writes, says or does something to troll is in order to get an emotional response. I do not care how you feel.
The forums ate my replies, so briefly,
An example of common theme I hear from ratters: - They got in a battleship too soon. - Went to Low Sec and was blasted off the grid. - They then heard about slave implants, boosters, hard wires, boosting ships, pilots with 180M+ SP and perfect skills. - They looked at how long these things would take them to acquire, lost hope and forgot about PVP entirely.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Mag's
the united
19466
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:47:54 -
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I tend to be the first to laugh at my own failings, be it falling asleep in missions or on gates in null, or losing expensive ships when messing around on stations. As long as I get to play the game and I have fun, it matters not what I do.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1588
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:45:16 -
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Are you in Brave or Goons? =P
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
206
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:51:18 -
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I can PvE while watching TV shows or browsing the Internet, so it's kinda better than sitting idle in the station. PvP requires your full attention, so you may not always have the ability to do it, depending on your free time. Also, PvE is easier in most cases.
If someone catches me unprepared, then good for him. Also it feels like a win when you obliterate everything, even if it's red crosses. Being jammed, scrambled, cap drained and webbed definitely doesn't feel that good, but it comes with PvP.
These are some of the reasons why I do more PvE than PvP, but the main one is the lack of free time and being unable to communicate, which is mandatory in PvP. Can't talk much when my 1yo son is sleeping in the next room. I am expecting things to change once he grows up. I have no doubts that this game will outlive me. |
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3240
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:56:46 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer.
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
Click! Read! Win!!!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1588
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:59:04 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. That some dead URL or something?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
3240
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Posted - 2015.05.24 14:08:49 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. That some dead URL or something? They were the main reason why people did 20 jumps from Hek to Jita ... ... instead of just nine.
Rancer was pretty famous.
If you think mass griefing in EVE ONLINE is a thing already ...
... then you better pray we don't actually start doing it .................
Click! Read! Win!!!
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
413
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Posted - 2015.05.24 14:38:02 -
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Just from my point of view, I did extensive missioning the first months to get into the game (was the natural succession from the tutorials and the sisters arc), and get my standings up. ISK was a point but not the dominating one as I started with my 400mio from the buddy invite (yes, PLEX were that cheap in 2013 ). Today I'm running relic sites for ISK, but to be honest it's not what it was when it was still new for me and exciting ... what I really liked was flying logi in an Incursion, because it is not all "automatic" and actually challenging. It's a goal of mine to join an Incursion community once my skills permit (T2 logi and support skills). I tried combat exploration in an Ishtar, but it was not fun ... when I play and enjoy EvE for me that means combat PvP, solo roaming, small gang, big fleet, whale hunting, and the communities ...this is what me gets attached to that game.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2953
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Posted - 2015.05.24 19:01:06 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer.
Yeah i passed rancer a few weeks ago and one jump ahead of the system i noticed it would take me through rancer so expected a quick death but meh , so i jumped in and .... nothing , the system was allmost empty.Just to be sure i didn't directly warp to the outside gate because obviously there would be a disco battleship , it wasn't there though.Instead of being happy that i survived it i felt a little sad that the rancer of old had vanished.
What the hell happened to rancer ?
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3972
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Posted - 2015.05.24 19:16:41 -
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PVE: predictable, you win if you don't mess up, easy to do solo --> relaxing, no social effort, (mildly) satisfying
PVP: unpredictable, you win if you're better/nastier/smarter/sneakier/luckier than the other guy(s), hard to do solo --> usually requires social effort, can be either thrilling or depressing
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Solecist Punk
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
120
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Posted - 2015.05.24 19:22:31 -
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flakeys wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Are you in Brave or Goons? =P Mag's here is the sole survivor of the people who owned Rancer. Yeah i passed rancer a few weeks ago and one jump ahead of the system i noticed it would take me through rancer so expected a quick death but meh , so i jumped in and .... nothing , the system was allmost empty.Just to be sure i didn't directly warp to the outside gate because obviously there would be a disco battleship , it wasn't there though.Instead of being happy that i survived it i felt a little sad that the rancer of old had vanished. What the hell happened to rancer ? That's *exactly* my experience.
... a surprised nothing.
I went through Rancer three times in a few days apart.
In my pod.
Back and forth.
Nothing.
What happened ? Good question. I got to ask Santo eventually when I saw him in lowsec, but he didn't really want to talk about it. I think Mag's told me, but I forgot... so I might be wrong. ^_^
Whatever happened there shortened the Hek-Jita route considerably ...
... without most people even noticing.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2015.05.24 19:45:26 -
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I really would like to know why Rancer is not perma-camped. Did someone finally clean out that nest of villainy? |
beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2015.05.24 20:44:46 -
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Eve died and no-one even realised |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2953
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Posted - 2015.05.24 21:02:16 -
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beakerax wrote:Eve died and no-one even realised
Actually , that is the perfect answer right there .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ozymandias Hamalia
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:24:08 -
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Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or
mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm..... |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1647
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Posted - 2015.05.25 10:31:43 -
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Ozymandias Hamalia wrote:Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or
mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm.....
The market would tank, due to demand outpacing supply. Just as it would if there were no PVP, as the supply would outpace demand. EVE needs a healthy balance of both to keep itself healthy. Most of us get this, which is probably why it hasn't been mentioned yet.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
109
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Posted - 2015.05.25 10:52:07 -
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Ozymandias Hamalia wrote:Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or
mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm.....
Well, we know players shooting other players ships is definitely PVP, and shooting rats is PVE, but the business of manufacturing and trading... now is that PVE... don't think so.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2953
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Posted - 2015.05.25 10:55:02 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Ozymandias Hamalia wrote:Has no one mentioned that if there were no PVE, you would sit in station all day without a ship to fly? Or guns to fire or ammo or
mods, or missiles or propulsion mods or......I mean.....uhm..... Well, we know players shooting other players ships is definitely PVP, and shooting rats is PVE, but the business of manufacturing and trading... now is that PVE... don't think so.
Without mining or missioning wich is pve , what can you build and as such what can you trade ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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