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Clopthose Rops
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:19:00 -
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It has 4 Torp, 4 Cruise batteries, 2 warp scramblers. It is a small Caldari tower, and that is it. How many battleships, (my friends and I have 20mil Sp each) would it take, and which would be the best choice? Or is this even possible?
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SkeletonDenial
Caldari ExCav Conglomerate The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:22:00 -
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If you can get 25-35 Battleships together you should be able to put it into reenforced mode in about 90 minutes pretty easily
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Clopthose Rops
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:29:00 -
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How about 5, we are small.
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Amadeus Brasky
True Prominence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:35:00 -
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Well, if you do the math out... Assuming 25 battleships can take one out in 90 minutes... 2 bs's could do it in (90*(25/2))= 1125 minutes or about 18.75 hours.
Hope this helps!
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Helen
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:17:00 -
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You can put a small pos into reinforced with 4 ravens in 3hrs. Just use the right ammo to hit the pos shields lowest resist.
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fartsukitsu
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:49:00 -
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What happens after reinforced, and how hard are those guns to tank?
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Lanfear's Bane
Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:54:00 -
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What guns? You said it has launchers...
Makes it hard to guess...
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SkeletonDenial
Caldari ExCav Conglomerate The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Clopthose Rops How about 5, we are small.
That might be tougher as the corp you are attacking will get notified via evemail that you are hitting the pos, they may send thier own battleships to help defend the pos.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:00:00 -
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I've seen about ten do it in about 45 minutes using t2 launchers.
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Clopthose Rops
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Posted - 2006.11.15 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: SkeletonDenial
Originally by: Clopthose Rops How about 5, we are small.
That might be tougher as the corp you are attacking will get notified via evemail that you are hitting the pos, they may send thier own battleships to help defend the pos.
They don't have battleships
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Devian 666
Snakes in a Pod
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Posted - 2006.11.15 02:21:00 -
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The cruise batteries will do 300 damage per missle of whatever damage type they have chosen. You could find out the missle types by jumping in but be warned the cruise batteries have an explosion radius reduction bonus. The torps will do 450 damage each. Unfortunately the two warp scramblers that gives 12 points of scram.
Tank specifically for the damage the missles use.
There are various tactics that could be applied to the pos as well but they may take some time. Cool an orange sig |
Matthew
Caldari BloodStar Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.15 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666 The cruise batteries will do 300 damage per missle of whatever damage type they have chosen. You could find out the missle types by jumping in but be warned the cruise batteries have an explosion radius reduction bonus. The torps will do 450 damage each. Unfortunately the two warp scramblers that gives 12 points of scram.
Tank specifically for the damage the missles use.
Mmm, lets see. There are 4 Cruise batteries and 4 torp batteries on that pos. There are 4 damage types. Coincidence? ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines. |
Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:22:00 -
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Torps do a bit over 1000 per hit (before resits) as torp batteris have damage multiplier of 2.5 - well unless they have changed it. I have not looked at them for a while.
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Clopthose Rops
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:27:00 -
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Well that needs to be a pretty **** intense tank then. I don't think this is plausible with as few as we have.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:57:00 -
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It should be possible to take it down with 5 Ravens as POS guns are stupid. They spread their hot love all over you and switch targets every now and then. So it is unlikely that all of them start shooting at one of you. If they do that one can just warp out usually before dying. A bit more risky perhaps than doing it with 10 or 20 BS's but doable nevertheless.
It's ofcource long and very boring and someone need to drag more ammo in every now and then.
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Drazhar Kain
Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 17:02:00 -
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Have all of your ships pack shield maintenance bots, and good resits all around. If you have 5 or so, I think you'll be able to tank the guns with all the bots... just keep switching the bots to the guy that's taking damage, should be fine. Btw, I think torp and cruise batteries have a ROF of... 24 seconds. so about 5000 damage every 24 seconds... only 208 unresisted damage per second overall. After resists, this will be at least down to 100dps. 5 medium shield bots gives 24 shield per second... x4 (the 5th can't target himself) = 96.
Yeah. You should be good.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt
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Posted - 2006.11.15 21:21:00 -
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It was Caldary one. Those have somekind of missile bonus (25% to RoF I think). Other than that yeh. With logistic drones it would be a bit easier altho not all people can use them usually.
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Richard Stryker
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.16 10:01:00 -
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Was doing some calcs myself for an attack. Target has a medium caldari pos, 3x med rails, 3 x torp and 3 x cruise launchers. Seems to me that a dread can tank that pretty easy. Anyone got some experience?
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Iyanna Swift
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Posted - 2006.11.17 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Stryker Was doing some calcs myself for an attack. Target has a medium caldari pos, 3x med rails, 3 x torp and 3 x cruise launchers. Seems to me that a dread can tank that pretty easy. Anyone got some experience?
A small POS is no match for a dread, ever, and especially after kali.
A medium deathstar could potentially deal enough damage to fend off a single dread, but what dread pilot do you know who won't want any support?
BSs is the easiest way to do it, the more the quicker. May I also reccomend remote repairing, the more targets the less guns allocated per target, but if someone needs a boost remote reps are a lifesaver.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.17 09:23:00 -
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Also carriers can tank weak POSs and put remote reppers/boosters on nearby battleships. ~ ~ ~
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.11.17 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 17/11/2006 10:33:38
Originally by: Amadeus Brasky Well, if you do the math out... Assuming 25 battleships can take one out in 90 minutes... 2 bs's could do it in (90*(25/2))= 1125 minutes or about 18.75 hours.
Hope this helps!
(disclaimer: I am merely going off of the previous poster's data)
Slight correction: Recharge rate of the pos shield is missing. If your dps only matches the recharge rate of the shield, then it takes forever. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111 |
Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.11.17 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Too Kind
Slight correction: Recharge rate of the pos shield is missing. If your dps only matches the recharge rate of the shield, then it takes forever.
Eh? That's easy. 8.75m shields with 200.000 seconds recharge rate = an average regenration of 43.57 per second. Peak will be higher: 108.925 per second, but from these numbers it is obvious that even a single Raven could shoot it down, given enough time and a good tank. ;-)
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Swatcat
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.17 17:52:00 -
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Can I assume the warp scramblers keep switching targets too? This should not be too much of an issue if you have mwd or afterburner though as you just get out of range?
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TOGAKURE Daisuke
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:33:00 -
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Just get your corp out in noob ships/shuttles and warp in on the pos (in their launchers max range) and let it shoot you. After you get popped warp back to the station to receive a noob ship. Repeat this until the POS has no ammo.
Bring out the BS's.
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Polaskii
Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: SkeletonDenial If you can get 25-35 Battleships together you should be able to put it into reenforced mode in about 90 minutes pretty easily
For a small CT i would say 25-35 BS will be able to take it down Very fast. Ive seen 3 BS spend all afternoon taking down a Small Caldari CT.
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Sgt Blade
Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 23:58:00 -
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last time i did that was with 8 bs's and took about 3 hours had a hard time tanking most of its guns
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Nocturnal Prince
Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2006.11.22 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nocturnal Prince on 22/11/2006 17:06:00 isnt it possible to send in one ship a second or so before a fitted for speed inty and just let the inty orbit. The missiles cant catch up to a decent (I.E. claw or crusader with gistii MWD) inty. Then its simple, orbit until the ammo is gone and then warp in the Battleships.
I have a feeling that is easier said that done tho.
The first ship will take the first volly letting the inty pilot get up to speed.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt
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Posted - 2006.11.23 13:56:00 -
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Fully loaded missile battery can shoot for a quite while. Also, most people have for that particular reason at least one long range and one short range small gun in their defences. If they have only big guns or only missiles then it might be possible. Note that I have never seen that idea implemented so there might be some additional glitces in that plan ;)
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.11.23 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: kublai on 23/11/2006 15:09:09 My corp took out a small amarr pos yesterday, pre-reinforced we used about 6bs and after reinforced we continued with 5 - 8 (ppl logged on as we went on).
We hardly hadto active our reps (only 1 small and 2 medium battery but even with both on my own ship I could go afk and get something cold to drink)
It's basicly very simple to tank it, you fit hardners for the damage it does and make -sure- you can run your tank forever on your cap gain, have those who lack bs fly around the pos in shuttles or light ships to draw some fire off.
It will take some time, but if as you say, they lack battleships you're golden.
Also, it would be cheap to hire someone to remove such a pos I know a great deal of corp's would do it for 100-300m.
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