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Hohenheim Thellere
Henthell Corporation
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Posted - 2015.05.23 14:46:26 -
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Hi community,
I'm looking for people to join my corp. in the Exploration Division. I'm getting a lot of responses but many of the explorers that are interested spend quite a bit of time in wh space. There, they have - in the past - participated in ganking.
Is that common in wh space? I'm trying to build a corp. that doesn't encourage ganking or ninja looting. Should I just skip people who have ganked in the past for the safety of my corp.?
Thanks
Hohenheim Thellere
CEO Henthell Corporation
Recruitment Now Open
High Sec, New Player Friendly, no SP Requirement
Recruitment Channel: HenCo Recruitment
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
186
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Posted - 2015.05.23 14:51:21 -
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Skipping people who have ganked in the past will cut you out of 90% of the players you seek.
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Hohenheim Thellere
Henthell Corporation
4
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Posted - 2015.05.23 15:01:27 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Skipping people who have ganked in the past will cut you out of 90% of the players you seek.
That's what I figured too... how do you manage the risk then? I don't want to be exclusionary, but I also don't want to have one of my members **** someone off who is part of a huge corp. My corp is really new so I don't have the resources to fight a war with another corp. at the moment.
Hohenheim Thellere
CEO Henthell Corporation
Recruitment Now Open
High Sec, New Player Friendly, no SP Requirement
Recruitment Channel: HenCo Recruitment
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1036
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Posted - 2015.05.23 16:10:46 -
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If you're in wh space - the point is to wonk everything you can. EVE pvp is pretty much all ganking. If the gank turns out to be even sided then we do backflips and call it a fight.
This isn't the 17th century where we line up in the middle of a field, do a countdown and shoot each other. |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
187
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Posted - 2015.05.23 19:49:06 -
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Be 100% active. Have Goals. Focus on what you do best.
The active part is the most critical. There's nothing worse than a part time CEO and is also what usually causes stagnation which in turn causes someone to do something crazy to spice things up. People look to you to keep things moving forward.
Have a goal always being worked towards. To many bad corps offer everything but can only provide good content for a few of what they list. This will bring in players looking for one type of work but another being focused on more. Take mining and missions as an example. John joins to Mission, But all that ever happens is requests for a hauler or another round of veldspar needs to get refined. John decides to see what its like to mine the corpses of his fellow corp-mates and refine there tears into pirate kleenex. It happens. Focus.
If things don't work out as CEO there are plenty of organizations that can use a Co-Ceo, Officer, FC, Ore calculator, Cat herder etc. This way you haven't to worry about spies, sabotage, Nitshe, corp theft and all that but are still a critical part of the overall running of things.
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
187
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Posted - 2015.05.23 19:52:29 -
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Hohenheim Thellere wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:Skipping people who have ganked in the past will cut you out of 90% of the players you seek. I also don't want to have one of my members **** someone off
To late. You've pissed someone off just by loggin in. You'll get used to it.
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Kashadin
Big Johnson's
30
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Posted - 2015.05.24 00:52:38 -
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Best way to know how to not get ganked is to be a (ex)ganker yourself. Or to make your not-bait look like totally-obvious-bait, you would be surprised how often people will stare at a ship going "there is no way this isn't bait...."
And like StonerPhReaK said, if you are in EVE, you pissed someone, somewhere off. Doesn't matter, it could be as simple as you not blowing up at the exact moment, they are pissed and they are coming. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1740
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Posted - 2015.05.24 10:18:16 -
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There's kinda two sides to this. One is that there's a huge cross over between career gankers and awoxers. On that level gankers can be a risk. On the other, those same people can be very useful resources for dealing with corp roles, and many very good players end up in that sort of profession at some point or another.
Over all, I agree with Kashadin. "Best way to know how to not get ganked is to be a (ex)ganker yourself." The same is true of awoxing and corp theft. If this is not an option for you, then I suggest you get a very strong core group that you trust before you open to outside recruitment, and even then, keep roles restricted to that core group.
Finally, keep in mind that even if you do get ripped off, its just paying isk for a learning experience. Keep possible losses to a level that you can absorb, and don't overextend.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2681
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:12:03 -
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Kashadin wrote:Best way to know how to not get ganked is to be a (ex)ganker yourself. Or to make your not-bait look like totally-obvious-bait, you would be surprised how often people will stare at a ship going "there is no way this isn't bait...."
And like StonerPhReaK said, if you are in EVE, you pissed someone, somewhere off. Doesn't matter, it could be as simple as you not blowing up at the exact moment, they are pissed and they are coming.
So much this.
Holeysheet1 is afraid of thunderdome matches.
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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
140
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Posted - 2015.05.25 08:40:21 -
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Hohenheim Thellere wrote: That's what I figured too... how do you manage the risk then? I don't want to be exclusionary, but I also don't want to have one of my members **** someone off who is part of a huge corp. My corp is really new so I don't have the resources to fight a war with another corp. at the moment.
I really doubt your people will gank someone of the bigger wh corps. But if you do catch someone unaware, no wh corp will "fight a war" about some member that lost a ship.
Don't be afraid to kill and lose ships. That's what the game is about.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1069
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Posted - 2015.05.25 08:45:38 -
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So you basically try to create a corp out of carebears without an idea how to defend yourselves because you want to reject everyone with some knowledge about PvP? I am sure this will work out great in w-space.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Hohenheim Thellere
Henthell Corporation
4
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Posted - 2015.05.25 09:39:54 -
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Hi everyone.
Thank you all for the advice. I'll admit that part of my question comes from inexperience and a lack of understanding about some mechanics of the game so I appreciate the education.
I don't want a corp. of carebears but I also don't want a corp. of members who just go out and kill for fun. I want my corp. to have purpose and goals as one of the posters mentioned.
So I guess I just need to manage my expectations of what wh space is and what happens there...
Looking forward to learning more and thank you all for your great advice and knowledge o7
Hohenheim Thellere
CEO Henthell Corporation
Recruitment Now Open
High Sec, New Player Friendly, no SP Requirement
Recruitment Channel: HenCo Recruitment
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CowRocket Void
Doughboys Snuffed Out
21
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Posted - 2015.05.25 10:12:50 -
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Hohenheim Thellere wrote:......don't want a corp. of members who just go out and kill for fun. ...
wait.... what?!?!
bleeding shadow darkness > did i just saw a red procurer? :P
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
751
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Posted - 2015.05.25 11:16:32 -
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Hey OP used main and asked questions about the unknown. I applaud his form even if I consider his ideals to be somewhat 'counter productive'.
WH space is a harsh dark place that is tailored to 'ganking'. A standard of living there is that you PvP whenever you find someone else. This is considered 'Law' by many players and avoiding PvP often results in being hurled out of W-Space in the form of an eviction. Don't be afraid of people with a PvP past they could be a great asset to your corp. Good luck and may you walk the path of the Good Fight set out before us by the benevolent Bob
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2436
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Posted - 2015.05.25 16:25:22 -
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Kill everything and once you get roles take everyone's stuff. |
Hohenheim Thellere
Henthell Corporation
5
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:46:53 -
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Hi all,
As a follow up to my original post / question. I concede that PvP is a core part of EVE once you get out of high sec, and a rule of law, once you get into Null or WH Space.
I'll also concede that I'm new to running a corp. and am, perhaps, naive to some of the more complex mechanics of the game (i.e., activities of null and wh space, pirating, ect.).
So, maybe I should realign my expectations and desires for my corp. I want it to thrive and be welcoming to all players - I'm not one to prey on unsuspecting players who are just "enjoying the game". I have a sort of live and let live mentality - maybe that's going to get me into trouble.. we'll see, I guess.
So, I'll rephrase my original question.
If, pvp is a core part of the game, how do you structure a corp. to cater to both types of players (i.e., those who like to pirate and pvp, and those who don't)? Or do you?
I get that you can't make a corp. a home for every player type... that you can't please everyone. So what advice do you have for someone just starting out his corp. who wants it to be lucrative and successful?
I appreciate the feedback.
Hohenheim Thellere
CEO Henthell Corporation
Recruitment Now Open
High Sec, New Player Friendly, no SP Requirement
Recruitment Channel: HenCo Recruitment
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Nuclear Tap
Nuclear Ind. Co.
2
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Posted - 2015.05.25 21:41:23 -
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To me it is clear that you should put you CEO's project into a freezer, and join a big WH corp for a good 6 months. There is a few corps out there that will train you and nurse your new corp.
Learn how to live in a C3-C4. Learn how to keep ISK flowing in, while ships get blow up.
WH community are always willing to get new content (targets!), and I am sure some os those corps will even spoon-feed you into all the tricks and tips about managing a mediun-sized wh corp.
You need more than willpower to grow a stable new corp. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1041
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Posted - 2015.05.26 11:33:52 -
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WH space isn't where you go to build beautiful sandcastles. If you're in high end null and don't pvp enough (sadly 'enough' is arbritrary and you don't get a say in that judgement) you'll eventually get evicted. If you're in low end then there are daytrippers trying to gank you, there I folks from the high ends that make huge chains to gank you, there are low end guys out to gank you and so on.
WH space isn't where folks go to live and let live. WH space isn't a place where most newbros will survive as they learn the game. The lure of no local doesn't exactly attract folks that just want to hang out, it's for folks that like warm guns and buy ammo frequently.
Think this through. What are you going to tell your PI guys, gassing fleet or plexing fleet after I (or anyone else) wonks up on them? What are you going to tell them after the second time it happens? The third? 12th? |
Aladar Dangerface
13. Enigma Project
171
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Posted - 2015.05.26 12:31:27 -
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As stated by most other folks in this thread; wh space is not for the faint-hearted. Everyone is out to kill you and you need to be able to defend yourelf and the only way to defened yourelf is by learning how to fight, and kill.
The vast majority of people living in whs know that its kill or be killed here and wont get too updet if you gank them.
Look at the link called 'welcome to wh space' in my character bio, it explains how wh space works pretty well
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I'm already following you.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1073
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Posted - 2015.05.26 14:16:06 -
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Hohenheim Thellere wrote:As a follow up to my original post / question. I concede that PvP is a core part of EVE once you get out of high sec, and a rule of law, once you get into Null or WH Space. Someone is asking for some Highsec PvP me thinks...
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
21
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Posted - 2015.05.28 11:19:17 -
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Nuclear Tap wrote:To me it is clear that you should put you CEO's project into a freezer, and join a big WH corp for a good 6 months. There is a few corps out there that will train you and nurse your new corp.
Learn how to live in a C3-C4. Learn how to keep ISK flowing in, while ships get blow up.
WH community are always willing to get new content (targets!), and I am sure some os those corps will even spoon-feed you into all the tricks and tips about managing a mediun-sized wh corp.
You need more than willpower to grow a stable new corp.
QFT.
Tenfold.
WH are THE place where you have to know exactly what you're doing without questtion. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Cheeki Breeki Corp Meet The Bandits.
788
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Posted - 2015.05.28 15:23:48 -
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Vek Hareka wrote:Nuclear Tap wrote:To me it is clear that you should put you CEO's project into a freezer, and join a big WH corp for a good 6 months. There is a few corps out there that will train you and nurse your new corp.
Learn how to live in a C3-C4. Learn how to keep ISK flowing in, while ships get blow up.
WH community are always willing to get new content (targets!), and I am sure some os those corps will even spoon-feed you into all the tricks and tips about managing a mediun-sized wh corp.
You need more than willpower to grow a stable new corp. QFT. Tenfold. WH are THE place where you have to know exactly what you're doing without questtion. Whoa. Hardly. Never be afraid to try something new in this game. You don't need to be an expert to op out of wormhole space. Hell you don't even have to be that good. Just willing to accept and learn from your losses. Always give fights and people will trip over themselves to help you
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Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
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Posted - 2015.05.29 10:59:13 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Vek Hareka wrote:Nuclear Tap wrote:To me it is clear that you should put you CEO's project into a freezer, and join a big WH corp for a good 6 months. There is a few corps out there that will train you and nurse your new corp.
Learn how to live in a C3-C4. Learn how to keep ISK flowing in, while ships get blow up.
WH community are always willing to get new content (targets!), and I am sure some os those corps will even spoon-feed you into all the tricks and tips about managing a mediun-sized wh corp.
You need more than willpower to grow a stable new corp. QFT. Tenfold. WH are THE place where you have to know exactly what you're doing without questtion. Whoa. Hardly. Never be afraid to try something new in this game. You don't need to be an expert to op out of wormhole space. Hell you don't even have to be that good. Just willing to accept and learn from your losses. Always give fights and people will trip over themselves to help you
I didn't say: "don't go it's too dangerous".
The man is talking about going AND taking people with him, people with maybe as little sense than him. The clusterfuxx would be glorious but counterproductive and disheartening.
I say: go, OP. Go in the scary hole but don't lead yet. Learn first. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1054
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Posted - 2015.05.29 14:27:51 -
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Don't go w/ a big wh corp. Go w/ a small one. You'll come out of the big wh corp 'knowing' that to pvp you need: 40% logistics, 20% jams, a booster and your pilots have to be sporting the correct high grade implants for the ship they are currently flying. Any ship under 200k EHP is not allowed.
He'll go in confused and come out totally broken.
Seriously - if the guy wants to run a small wh corp it would be prudent to shack up with a small wh corp to gain the experience needed to lead a small wh corp. |
Geyene
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2015.06.01 17:35:51 -
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Hohenheim Thellere wrote:Hi community,
I'm trying to build a corp. that doesn't encourage ganking or ninja looting. Should I just skip people who have ganked in the past for the safety of my corp.?
If you want to restrict your corp to players who have never ganked or ninja looted, that's entirely up to you. That having been said, if someone is successfully ganking someone in wh space, they have to have at least a baseline level of situational awareness and balls, which is something I would assume you're looking for in the exploration game.
As far as ninja looting goes, I've stolen my fair share of loot and blown up my fair share of missioners, it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm a bad person or a risk to my fellow corpies. Some of my closest in-game associates are ninja looters, and the ninja looting space jerk, in my experience, has been the exception, not the rule. For the most part, we are having fun with the mechanics of the game and trying to 'get away' with something, which is what EVE is all about, imo. I think your corp would be the poorer for excluding these kinds of players off the bat. Still though, I recommend setting friendly fire to 'no' :)
As far as pissing off bigger corps goes, you can feel free to tell your guys not to ninja loot or gank in hisec, and enforce the policy by kicking those who do it. Sure, maybe somebody who got their knickers in a twist over the activity might dec you, but that's what diplomats are for. You might find that the wardec ends up creating more fun, not less...
If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
If you have a big enough hammer, every problem is a nail.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2015.06.01 18:22:21 -
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You might convo Mynxee at Signal Cartel if you want some ideas on a WH exploration corp.
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