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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2117
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Posted - 2015.05.24 00:32:24 -
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Yes, I know data centers exist but these are not repeatable and don't give a high enough boost for Excellent faction standings.
I decided I wanted a character with >7 faction standings. I followed the Faction Standings Repair Plan (props to the author btw, excellent job). It took me three weeks of casual play to reach my goal. Now that I finally have the standings required for my original goal I feel burnt out and couldn't be bothered going through with my plan!
I hate highsec PvE. I don't enjoy grinding. I DON'T PLAY THIS GAME FOR THE MISSIONS! And I can guarantee that many other players would prefer me out there doing something risky instead of wasting time grinding in highsec.
CCP, please just let me pay a player who does enjoy this game play instead of grinding it myself. It is working for sec status - please just unlock repeats on data centers or introduce Tags4Standings.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
5519
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:50:15 -
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Can't you get standings by being in fleet with someone running missions and sharing the rewards? Seems like a lucrative way to make money if someone is willing to buy that service.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2118
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:53:16 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Can't you get standings by being in fleet with someone running missions and sharing the rewards? Seems like a lucrative way to make money if someone is willing to buy that service. You can do that for corp and agent standings but not faction.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2118
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:54:02 -
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Unfortunately.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:57:44 -
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Hum. If you can think of a system that'll work, feel free to post it to Features and Ideas and I'll try and pass it upwards.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.24 03:58:33 -
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Sometimes you can buy a character with standings on the character bazaar. But other than that faction warfare is probably the easiest way to get faction standings.
-k8
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2119
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Posted - 2015.05.24 04:02:58 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Hum. If you can think of a system that'll work, feel free to post it to Features and Ideas and I'll try and pass it upwards. It already exists in the form of data centres. You hand tags farmed by mission runners and receive standings in return. But they are single-use agents so you can't repeat. The change is just to unlock them so you can repeat.
Alternatively, they could introduce new tags as per Tags4Sec.
Commissar Kate wrote:Sometimes you can buy a character with standings on the character bazaar. But other than that faction warfare is probably the easiest way to get faction standings. I looked for a suitable character but nothing was available at the time. I'll look into FW - thanks.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Kashadin
Big Johnson's
34
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Posted - 2015.05.24 04:51:26 -
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FW will destroy your standing with the opposition.
Have you done a Epic Arc mission series yet? Those give you a good standings boost at the end and are soloable. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2119
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Posted - 2015.05.24 04:56:18 -
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Kashadin wrote:FW will destroy your standing with the opposition.
Have you done a Epic Arc mission series yet? Those give you a good standings boost at the end and are soloable. Not yet. I have done the career agents, data centers and most of the COSMOS agents. Epic Arc would have been next.
Note that I'm not complaining that it is impossible to raise standings. I just really don't enjoy the game play required to do so - not enough player interaction. And u don't see why I should be required to grind something that I find just awful.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Kashadin
Big Johnson's
35
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Posted - 2015.05.24 05:13:06 -
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Oh i fully agree that it would be nice to have some way to raise standing w/o having to grind missions or something along those lines.
Hell, I would take having to go to LS and talk to some kinda "faction broker" for each empire group who for a "small fee" will raise your standings with that faction, won't have a huge impact since you can't do it for your Sec status but it will allow people who have the ISK to get out of stuff like FW a little easier. That and it would introduce another ISK sink, which I'm sure would be nice. |
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2211
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Posted - 2015.05.24 05:31:34 -
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A friend with a free slot to redo the SOE arc repeatedly works. But at 8 hours or so just from flying A to B to complete it, that could be very expensive.
Like you have said, Tags for standings and remove tags from the LP stores solves both standing grinding and LP store prices for certain items.
You could even implement a limited amount per day to stop it being too consequence free. But so it's not a long grind, just 2 mins a day then you do other things. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2015.05.24 06:17:26 -
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So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.
Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well?
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2119
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Posted - 2015.05.24 06:21:43 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.
Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well? No, I did nothing to reduce my standings. The character's standings toward the faction were 0.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Kashadin
Big Johnson's
36
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Posted - 2015.05.24 06:24:28 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.
Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well?
Not really the same thing.
Not sure what got up your ass but fixing NPC faction standings is just a annoying and time intensive activity, the OP was just asking for a way that is already in the game to up standings to be opened up to be used repeatedly instead of just a 1 time thing.
Honestly fixing faction standings via tags makes more sense than fixing your Sec status, and the sec status has a way higher impact on your gameplay than the faction standings, ontop of that the people who fix Sec status using tags are normally doing way more stuff that is "destructive" (ganking and the like) than people who lose faction standings with NPC corps.
Hell, you can lose a lot of standings doing missions if you do them for the empires navies if you don't pay attention to the ones you take and start blowing up the other empires. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
100
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Posted - 2015.05.24 06:43:55 -
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Zappity wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:So, you did something which has consequences, and now want to undo those consequences more easily.
Want ships returned to your hangar on destruction as well? No, I did nothing to reduce my standings. The character's standings toward the faction were 0.
Some people just don't comprehend what you wrote. I had a look at my faction standings, just to get to an unadjusted 5 with any of the empire factions would be a slog, never mind getting to 7.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
412
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Posted - 2015.05.24 07:14:17 -
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What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...
To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly).
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8548
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Posted - 2015.05.24 08:19:32 -
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I love it when players farm one particular faction and don't consider keeping their other standings right.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
100
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Posted - 2015.05.24 08:48:20 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...
To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly).
I've been wondering this. The only reason I could think of is no longer relevant as of mid-last year. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
232
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Posted - 2015.05.24 08:48:40 -
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1) From base zero standings train the relevant 'social' skills to level five.
2) Doing the two lowest category of data centre tags (Copper & Bronze?) for eg Minmatar & Gallente will get you over 2.00 'effective' for both Minmatar & Gallente.
3) Doing the high sec only COSMOS missions for both Gallente & Minmatar will get you well over 8.00 'effective' with both factions plus quite a lot of corporation & navy corp standings. Don't do the Thukker Tribe ones as these are detrimental for Gallente standings.
The same can be done for Amarr/Caldari if they are more favourable for you. It doesn't take that long to do this.
Personally I would not like to see a tag based system to raise standings. Making the game too easy is not the way to go. I would like to see more interaction requirements between the NPC empires and capsuleers. Sadly we are slowly going in the opposite direction.
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2015.05.24 08:51:57 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...
To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly). I've been wondering this. The only reason I could think of is no longer relevant as of mid-last year.
Jump clones. (Although there is Estel Arador.)
Market taxes etc.
Reprocessing.
Mission agents.
Locator agents.
COSMOS faction ship BPC agents.
Any more ?
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9692
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Posted - 2015.05.24 09:07:16 -
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The epic arcs are actually fairly well paying if I remember correctly, they've been a bit buggy though so when you're finished check the standings to be sure you actually got the Increase. There's a know bug whereby it will not apply and can be sorted with a patition.
As for the proposal, I'm torn. most of me says " something something consequences something something htfu" The rest of me feel the pain and recognises there's no PvP oriented process to do this without immediately tanking the other factions standing.
I think the grind wouldn't be so bad if you're chewing through other players rather than npcs
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
100
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Posted - 2015.05.24 09:19:27 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...
To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly). I've been wondering this. The only reason I could think of is no longer relevant as of mid-last year. Jump clones. (Although there is Estel Arador.) Market taxes etc. Reprocessing. Mission agents. Locator agents. COSMOS faction ship BPC agents. Any more ?
AFAIK, most of those only require npc corp standings. Not too sure about the faction ship BPCs |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
2121
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Posted - 2015.05.24 10:19:25 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:What is the reason you want that high faction standing? Lvl 5s with free agent selection come to my mind, but this is also PvE ...
To honor the MMO sandbox I would also prefer a solution, where you can pay another player for grinding (indirectly or directly). I've been wondering this. The only reason I could think of is no longer relevant as of mid-last year. No, not POS anchoring. Market standings for plex trading, jump clones, reprocessing, level 5 agents in lowsec - take your pick.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Delegate
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:55:31 -
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FW will get you high standing quickly. With diplomacy at 4 you shouldn't go beyond -2 on the opposite faction. So yes, there is currently a way to get good faction standing, except its not the carebear way. I don't think anything be changed in this department. Grind or use the option you already have. |
u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
206
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Posted - 2015.05.24 13:36:54 -
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Epic Arcs are good for gaining faction standings, but to my knowledge you can do them once per 3 months. Haven't actually tried to do them more frequently, but there is something else that''s bugging me.
It is the special mission Materials for War Preparation - absolutely no standings gain (0.01 for me, in comparison combat missions give me like 0.2) , just an implant. If you do 16 security missions you should get combat mission, not one of these...they are lame anyway - simply deliver or buy directly from the market 8000 units of Kernite and it is done. Feels like a total waste of the special mission, which doesn't feel that special at all.
Also mission bonuses are ridiculous, get an extra million ISK if you do it in 6 hours...It should be harder, but better paid to really feel like a bonus. CCP is doing good job by trying to add extra missions like burner missions, but they should touch the regular ones imo. /offtopic
As for the tags idea - sounds good for new players, but I don't think older players would appreciate it, those who did everything the hard way.
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187
Citizen Corp.
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Posted - 2015.05.24 16:37:09 -
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I am very surprised by the difference in reaction between "I want to do less work" threads, depending on who starts them. |
evotta
Territorial Hanseatic League
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Posted - 2015.05.24 16:41:01 -
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Tags for this work eould be quite sweet. Not only gor faction, but for corporations as well |
Kashadin
Big Johnson's
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Posted - 2015.05.24 16:45:56 -
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Minmatar Citizen 534612187 wrote:I am very surprised by the difference in reaction between "I want to do less work" threads, depending on who starts them.
I think it has more to do with asking for general "quality of life" changes vs "wahwah game too hard", or the fact that faction grinding is just an annoying PITA no matter who you are (carebear, nullbear, 1337pvps, etc.) that beyond bittervet "back in my day..." grumbling most could see the appeal in a easier grind for standings. And in the case of tags for standings it is a idea that is already in the game for sec status (a much more important stat overall IMO) so there's no real reason not to expand it to faction standings. Hell, I could see it causing more people to pick up FW PVP with something other than throwaway alts and cause those wars to expand into something bigger, which would be cool,. |
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
133
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Posted - 2015.05.24 16:49:59 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote: Market taxes etc.
Locator agents.
These being the two rather helpful non-pve related ones. And the later even being more pvp linked. Once you have standing with a faction, you have access to all their agents, including locators.
Of course, at the moment there is stll a hidden NPC standing hit for pvp'ing and podding ANY (including criminally flagged players) players belonging to NPC corps. So there is even a PvP standing hit...but no PvP standing boost. |
Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
304
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Posted - 2015.05.24 18:29:49 -
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Tags for Sec Status was an amazing improvement to the game. Not only did it give people another option to fix their sec status, but it also added a unique resource to lowsec that is both accessible and available. It helped veterans and new players alike.
There is no reason not to do this for faction standings, so long as it works just like sec status and is only able to repair it up to zero. Ideally the tags could only be found in NPC null belt spawns, and would add a much needed income stream. Faction standings mechanics are a dinosaur from an older time - I'm sure we all know people who's game play experience has become all too centered on PvE, not by choice, but because the standings mechanics were not adequately explained in game.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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