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Grayson Achasse
Empyreal Shadow Vanguard
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Posted - 2015.05.25 16:45:13 -
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I'm looking to do some group PvP, and fleet PvP in the future, however I'm not sure which race to train. I think Gallente ships are just... ugly. They look like flying space potatoes, so I don't care how good they are. No.
I also hear missiles aren't good for PvP... so no Caldari?
What do you guys think? Some guy gave me 50 mil Isk so I have enough for a cruiser... I just don't know which race. I'm not going to get a cruiser right away though. I will probably go Destroyer until I'm a lot better at the game.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.25 18:10:22 -
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missiles are awesome for pvp (click link in sig for proof), ignore whomever told you otherwise
I highly recommend you train all the races frigates and small weapons to 3 and see which you have the most fun getting shot in the face with. it shouldn't take more than a day or so. they all have their roles (and will have bonuses to it so read the description ) so see which suits you
here is a link to the eveuni wiki page on fitting 101.
some off the to of my head advice on fitting for pvp generally (though not always) the races should be
amarr : armour tanked with lazor or missile
caldari: shield tanked with missile or hybrids
gallente: armour tanked with hybrid and/or drones
minmatar: armour and/or shield tanked with projectile and/or missile (confusing i know)
match all the weapons on a ship.
armour tank or shield tank, not both. (exceptions apply but generally not for newbies)
always have a warp scrambler or disruptor fitted if you are planning to pvp
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Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2015.05.25 18:12:00 -
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No one ever said Caldari had to fly missiles. Hybrids are a current flavor of the month; if you don't like gallente you can always fly caldari hybrid boats (Moa can be pretty awesome for pvp).
Not a forum alt.-á
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Grayson Achasse
Empyreal Shadow Vanguard
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Posted - 2015.05.25 19:19:30 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:missiles are awesome for pvp (click link in sig for proof), ignore whomever told you otherwise I highly recommend you train all the races frigates and small weapons to 3 and see which you have the most fun getting shot in the face with. it shouldn't take more than a day or so. they all have their roles (and will have bonuses to it so read the description ) so see which suits you here is a link to the eveuni wiki page on fitting 101. some off the to of my head advice on fitting for pvp generally (though not always) the races should be amarr : armour tanked with lazor or missile caldari: shield tanked with missile or hybrids gallente: armour tanked with hybrid and/or drones minmatar: armour and/or shield tanked with projectile and/or missile (confusing i know) match all the weapons on a ship. armour tank or shield tank, not both. (exceptions apply but generally not for newbies) always have a warp scrambler or disruptor fitted if you are planning to pvp
I've decided to go Minmatar. I like speed, and the versatility is very nice. |
Ovv Topik
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.25 20:39:46 -
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Grayson Achasse wrote: Some guy gave me 50 mil Isk so I have enough for a cruiser... I just don't know which race. I'm not going to get a cruiser right away though. I will probably go Destroyer until I'm a lot better at the game.
Thanks.
I'd like to pick you up on this buddy.
Think of your ships as disposable items - single rounds of ammunition even.
The mantra of EvE is: 'Don't fly what you cant afford to lose'. I would highly recommend not flying anything other than T1 Frigs at first. The 2 biggest mistakes you could make right away are 1. Bigger is better. And 2. Blinger is better.
Wait til you get a feel for PvP in the Frigs. There is a hell of a lot to take in with your FC yelling at you. Only when you feel like you're on top of >50% of what is going on consider flying more expensive ships.
Have fun Buddy. Fly safe.
o7
"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
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Ovv Topik
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.25 20:45:47 -
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Grayson Achasse wrote:
I've decided to go Minmatar. I like speed, and the versatility is very nice.
The Rifter will be a welcome tackler in any fleet. It's not the best Frig for solo, much quicker to skill into than the Breacher. The Slasher uses the same skills as the Rifter, but is much lighter, faster and more fragile.
Dont forget to add 'Thermodynamics' to L4 to your skill queue as it is the single most important PvP skill bar none.
"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
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Grayson Achasse
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Posted - 2015.05.25 21:34:20 -
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Ovv Topik wrote:Grayson Achasse wrote:
I've decided to go Minmatar. I like speed, and the versatility is very nice.
The Rifter will be a welcome tackler in any fleet. It's not the best Frig for solo, much quicker to skill into than the Breacher. The Slasher uses the same skills as the Rifter, but is much lighter, faster and more fragile. Dont forget to add 'Thermodynamics' to L4 to your skill queue as it is the single most important PvP skill bar none.
Alright. Thanks. How's Mimatar as a whole? I've heard their battleships are a bit underwhelming?... of course that doesn't matter now. Just thinking ahead.
I've heard that Gallente is the best overall, but space potatoes. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.05.25 21:54:23 -
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The Typhoon and Typhoon fleet issue are pretty fearsome.
A good Typhoon Fleet Issue in particular is a terrible thing to have to deal with, pushing 200,000 effective hitpoints and putting out 1600 damage per second overheated, equipped with webs, target painters and ECCM they're nothing to be trifled with.
Navy Megathrons and Vindicators are the only things really in the same league, and those are vulnerable to energy neutralization and tracking disruption, the Fleet Phoon isn't. |
Grayson Achasse
Empyreal Shadow Vanguard
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Posted - 2015.05.26 00:06:00 -
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Cool. So how is Minmatar as a whole for PvP? Solo, and fleet. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.26 00:51:34 -
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I disagree about always have a warp scrambler. If they want to take a fight, they'll usually fight to the death. Punishers dont have the slots for enough ewar and range control, so might as well go web and ab or web and mwd. You may get lucky, after all, if they still have their prop mod on they'll be unable to align to warp as quickly as if it were off.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.05.26 01:32:04 -
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If your intent is to go tool around in a frigate in faction warfare then sure. But in almost any other PVP situation fighting without any kind of warp disruption will just result in your enemy just warping off and laughing at you in local.
Minmatar ships are very variable, some of them have prodigious active shield tanks, others are effective with buffer armor tanks, the hulls are typically quite fast and have moderate to high damage output at close to medium range. There's a good mix of fast skirmish ships and tough brawly stuff.
I don't personally rate their frigates very highly though. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.05.26 05:04:15 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote: I don't personally rate their frigates very highly though.
Agreed, the Breacher however is very nice, particularly in FW space, it works very nicely in that setting.
To OP, if you and ESV (say hi to Zoro for me ) are going to mess around in FW and you like Minmatar Frigs, definitely give the Breacher a try.
[Breacher, MASB + AAR Brawler]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I Ballistic Control System II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
1MN Afterburner II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 X5 Prototype Engine Enervator J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x2
This is a pretty standard Breacher fit. If you have trouble fitting everything in, drop the Ancillary Armor Repairer and stick in a Nanofiber for a bit more speed and agility. If you can fit everything as is, you're going to want to tank with the MASB primarily. If it runs out of cap boosters, and the target isn't dead, make sure the shield booster is off (it uses a ton of cap when empty), and overheat your AAR. The AAR is there as a sort of "ace up the sleeve". It's not bonused like the MASB so it's less effective.
If you're using the fit with a Nano instead of the AAR, you'll want to try and "scram kite" close range brawlers like Blaster Incursuses and Merlins. Don't scram kite Amarr laser frigates, they're good at that, instead orbit as close as you can. In that circumstance you're trying to mess with their tracking speed so the hits either miss or glance off you (Pulse lasers have the worst tracking of the close range gun types).
EVE PVP is a complex game of Rock Paper Scissors designed by drunken viking space wizards doused in tears, brain jello and ever so slightly suspect stickyness. Keep at it and you'll learn. Have fun!
EDIT:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:armour tank or shield tank, not both. (exceptions apply but generally not for newbies) This is true. The fit above is a little fiddly, you may want to try the Nanofiber variant the first few times. It's very easy to forget to cycle modules when starting out. Hell earlier I lost a Vengeance because i accidentally shut off my armor repairers and didn't notice until I was deep into structure.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
5120
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Posted - 2015.05.26 06:18:08 -
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Fighting without a warp scrambler means that usually, the biggest victory you can have is driving your opponent from the field.
Do you consider that a victory at all? Sometimes yes but usually no.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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erg cz
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2015.05.26 07:27:16 -
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Grayson Achasse wrote: I've heard their battleships are a bit underwhelming?.
If I am not mistaken, recent fights in Providence showed up pretty big fleets of Fleet Issue battleships. If minmatar ship design suits you, go for them. All races are balanced so just learn how to fly that particular race ships. And minmatar T3 destroyer was one of the best PvP ships before it was nerfed.
But as gallente pilot I think you should not completely skip gallente ship skills. At least to be able to fly angel cartel PvP monsters (they require both minmatar and gallente skills).
Take a look at this and few following posts. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.26 08:40:53 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:I disagree about always have a warp scrambler. If they want to take a fight, they'll usually fight to the death. Punishers dont have the slots for enough ewar and range control, so might as well go web and ab or web and mwd. You may get lucky, after all, if they still have their prop mod on they'll be unable to align to warp as quickly as if it were off. Yeah the "exceptions apply" was implied.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.26 10:18:41 -
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If the fight is close, they're not going to warp off. They'll only warp off if you have a hard counter ship to theirs, but if you have a sublter counter ship, they'll stay till they pop.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.05.26 15:02:06 -
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http://crossingzebras.com/small-gang-tier-list-part-2-cruisers/
http://crossingzebras.com/small-gang-tier-list-part-1-frigates/
Check that out it's a good read.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Grayson Achasse
Empyreal Shadow Vanguard
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Posted - 2015.05.26 19:41:11 -
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I'm probably just going to train all races. I can't decide on one. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.05.26 21:10:39 -
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Grayson Achasse wrote:I'm probably just going to train all races. I can't decide on one. Good call, variety is the spice of life.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.26 21:18:23 -
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Grayson Achasse wrote:I'm probably just going to train all races. I can't decide on one. Great thing is you don't have to, every ship has a role think of them as tools for specific jobs with each race representing broadly a type of tool.
The knowledge of what ship is suitable for any given scenario comes with time so just have fun for now and see what role you like, then training the ship(s) that fill it.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2015.05.27 20:46:28 -
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technically .. any faction is good for pvp
Only the Dominix looks like a potato (personally I think it's an upside down shoe .....) The vexor looks like a hairdryer |
Grayson Achasse
Empyreal Shadow Vanguard
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Posted - 2015.05.28 01:17:03 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:technically .. any faction is good for pvp
Only the Dominix looks like a potato (personally I think it's an upside down shoe .....) The vexor looks like a hairdryer
They all look like something a bit worse I'm hesitant to mention on this forum... |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.28 02:36:35 -
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Grayson Achasse wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:technically .. any faction is good for pvp
Only the Dominix looks like a potato (personally I think it's an upside down shoe .....) The vexor looks like a hairdryer They all look like something a bit worse I'm hesitant to mention on this forum... surely you can't be hinting that some of the Gallente ships look like a phallus? |
Thanes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.28 13:00:35 -
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That is one of the reasons I've started training Caldari ships + rockets... I really don't like the design of Gallente vessels :D |
Mathias Lee
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.28 13:15:19 -
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I'm a bit of an all rounder having tried to fit in with corps I ended up with when new but have recently started to go Gallente more, mostly because I'm not too experienced in pvp so hope drones will help lol.
Someone mentioned getting frigate V in all classes and seeing which you prefer, that's a good shout. |
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