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orlando carlo
Dragron Riders Inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:03:41 -
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I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.
If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd. This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING. |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:06:52 -
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#bumpingisalegittactic
And whats to say you're bustard wouldnt have died anyway do to bumping? |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:12:33 -
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orlando carlo wrote:I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.
If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd. This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING.
If you had bothered to fit a Medium Micro Jump Drive, you probably would not have died.
But instead of fitting your ship properly, I think we should just change the entire way the game has worked, right? Why wouldn't it damage both ships if bumping caused damage? Are the servers supposed to sense your intent?
To sum up, please go whine somewhere else.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:37:04 -
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Cross-posting is bad, mmkay. Still 0/10.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Iain Cariaba
1446
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:41:31 -
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#tears
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:41:45 -
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Your fit needed to be killed. Anyone who puts a 1mn MWD on their DST is asking for it. Not to mention cargo rigs and expanders that don't bonus your main hold.
Learn to fly and fit your ship properly don't blame game mechanics.
And be careful what you wish for, if ships cause damage when bumping, people will simply use an appropriate amount of ships and ram you to death instead of holding you in place.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:43:20 -
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Cargo expander and cargo rigs on s ship that haul the most in a bay not affected by them. I guess that 5749 m3 was worth it...
Especially with an empty fleet hangar... |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:45:14 -
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He's got a point though....
Not on the damage aspect, that would turn out bad. If ships did damage, these guys would just heavy tank and mass fit a bunch of BS's and bump you to death without Concord interruption.
However, it shouldn't be so easy for a small ship to bump a larger ship.
We'll do it this way
Frig v frig/destroyer = good bump frig v cruiser = ok bump frig v BC = weak bump frig v BS = practically useless frig v anything else = laughable
A frig shouldn't be able to bump the front of a Titan and keep it from going into warp by slowing down velocity. Sure, if you factor it is space, equal and opposite reaction. However, this doesn't factor thrust. A Titan would have so much thrust from its engines that all the force would be applied to the frig.
I've bumped myself, and not going to say that it shouldn't be possible, but it should at least be reasonable.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2015.05.27 16:48:48 -
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Mass and speed are already accounted for in the bump formula. Thread is a redundant rant, and reported as such.
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Flying crazier,
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.05.27 17:30:15 -
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-jita undock-
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.05.27 18:32:18 -
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Delete bumping.
Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.05.27 18:39:20 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Delete bumping.
Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact. Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 18:54:02 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Delete bumping.
Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact. Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun.
100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.05.27 19:05:03 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:He's got a point though.... No, he really doesn't.
Reported for ranting and cross posting.
Also, this.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.05.27 19:08:24 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Delete bumping.
Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact. Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun. 100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed. Nah, mach will work best. Near cruiser speeds with battleship mass for max effective damage.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.27 20:26:36 -
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Did you have any kind of prop mod? A cloak maybe? Did you try running back through the gate or maybe finding another route? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.05.27 20:53:56 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Delete bumping.
Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact. Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun. 100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed. Nah, mach will work best. Near cruiser speeds with battleship mass for max effective damage.
If you really only fit for 1600 plates, powergrid and a 100MN MWD, you can get a better mass:speed ratio out of the devoter I think. This is of course all stupid as damage from collision won't happen. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2015.05.27 22:15:30 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Delete bumping.
Give us collisions with damage based on size and speed of impact. Yay!!! Then I'll be able to drive a plated, MWD battleship into the jita undock. Bowling for wrecks sounds like fun. 100MN MWD cruiser probably generate better impacts with their much higher top speed. Nah, mach will work best. Near cruiser speeds with battleship mass for max effective damage. If you really only fit for 1600 plates, powergrid and a 100MN MWD, you can get a better mass:speed ratio out of the devoter I think. This is of course all stupid as damage from collision won't happen. If you do it right, a vagabond with 100mn MWD actually does best if we use some variant of MWD which is light on PG and the lower PG plates. True, it derives this mostly based on the extreme top speed, but it is precisely this speed which makes it such an effective tool for turning into an overgrown KEW-ball.
Talking more,
Flying crazier,
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Christopher Mabata
The Interstellar Manipulation Consortium
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Posted - 2015.05.27 22:57:28 -
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orlando carlo wrote:I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.
If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd. This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING.
Yay ragepost
Also CCP has said no less than 1,268 times that bumping is a 100% intended mechanic and is still working as intended, collision mechanics such as that do not exist for a reason, namely that trade hub undocks would become scrapheap warfare and promote various degrees of unwanted CONCORD response for illegal aggression and so on.
Buy another bustard and get over it OR Learn the cloak MWD trick
Theory-Crafter, Free Agent, Immortal Space Pirate. Generally Crazy and difficult to understand at times.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:17:44 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:orlando carlo wrote:I just want to report that the bumping mechanics are broke big time. I just lost a busterd because a little ship kept bumping me so I could not go into warp.
If a ship bumps a ship he should take damage. At this time he takes no damage Due to this I lost both a skiff and busterd. This condition has led to a tactic that is both unfair and unreasonable. Anytime someone initiates a bump tactic THERE SHOULD BE DAMAGE GIVEN TO THE SHIP THAT DOES THE BUMPING. Yay ragepost Also CCP has said no less than 1,268 times that bumping is a 100% intended mechanic and is still working as intended, collision mechanics such as that do not exist for a reason, namely that trade hub undocks would become scrapheap warfare and promote various degrees of unwanted CONCORD response for illegal aggression and so on. Buy another bustard and get over it OR Learn the cloak MWD trick Considering the dictors on the KM, maybe consider an MJD?
Talking more,
Flying crazier,
And drinking more
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Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:24:00 -
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10mn rookie ship suicide squad anyone? |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:26:54 -
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Having actually looked up the KMs in question:
You were in null. With no less than four interdictors on your mails.
Bump mechanics aren't what killed you, friend, don't try to blame game mechanics for your own failures. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:32:17 -
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Tusker Crazinski wrote:10mn rookie ship suicide squad anyone? Sure let me know when you figure out how to increase their grid by 500%
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
792
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:36:38 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:10mn rookie ship suicide squad anyone? Sure let me know when you figure out how to increase their grid by 500% You could do it with the new 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner and an Impairor and a 3% PG implant that shouldn't be much at risk.
Talking more,
Flying crazier,
And drinking more
Making battleships worth the warp
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Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.27 23:53:00 -
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From what ppl are saying (Those who have seen your KM) you died at null when you undicked a station. You should use insta undock BMs. if you dont know what that is google it. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2015.05.28 02:58:03 -
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I love eve, because the attitude people have toward victims in eve should be the exact same attitude we have toward victims in the real world.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.28 03:12:47 -
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James Baboli wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:10mn rookie ship suicide squad anyone? Sure let me know when you figure out how to increase their grid by 500% You could do it with the new 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner and an Impairor and a 3% PG implant that shouldn't be much at risk. My mistake, was thinking MWD, two MAPCs gets you enough power even now for AB, eye roll retracted.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1004
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Posted - 2015.05.28 03:49:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Having actually looked up the KMs in question:
You were in null. With no less than four interdictors on your mails.
Bump mechanics aren't what killed you, friend, don't try to blame game mechanics for your own failures.
If his rant has any credibility, presumably something else bump tackled him while the other ships were in route.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.05.28 05:36:33 -
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Quote:Forum rules3. Ranting is prohibited.A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. 17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. Closed.
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Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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