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Robby Altair
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Posted - 2015.05.29 02:41:42 -
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The descent of WOW continues. No lost here,... never played it. After 11 years, 'World of Warcrack' is less addictive Wait a minute, thought is was EverCrack, not World of WarCrack.
Ref: World of Warcraft lost three million subscribers in three months World of Warcrack Evercrack
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Lucy Lopez
Low Frequency
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Posted - 2015.05.29 19:57:12 -
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Unashamed (ex) WoW player here. The sub loss is no surprise, and there will be more to come. It's like the whole dev team is on crack. They stripped out what little complexity there was in the game, basically removed any worthwhile character progression outside of raiding, totally screwed up some of the classes, dumped on the PvP community, and added the garrison feature which turned out to be a tedious Facebook clickfest.
So not only did the game become more boring, but because they decided not to enable flying in the new expansion areas the very process of navigating the gameworld to get your chores done became so annoying that people don't even bother to leave their instanced garrison.
And to top it off, their lead dev recently revealed that they won't allow flying in ANY future expansion.The reaction from the community has been extremely hostile, and even diehard Wow fanboys are wondering what the hell is wrong with Blizzard. It doesn't help that the devs have further provoked the community with ill-judged responses on social media.
Warlords of Draenor was supposed to be the expansion to re-invigorate the playerbase, but it's been an abject failure. The lead designer needs to be fired. I had some great times in WoW but for me and many others the game is unplayable right now. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.29 21:26:28 -
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This is where pandering to the instant gratification pve crowd gets you.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.05.29 21:43:38 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTVM056wL0
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Kelleth Kirk
Angels with Artillery
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Posted - 2015.05.30 01:32:37 -
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Well, they kind of broke the character models they claimed would be even better than the old ones. They sure are pretty, to bad that every single one of them suffer from massive armor clipping, bugged animations and very inconsistant weapon sizes.
Who would want to play a game where they can't even keep the character models you play with free from bugs?
I don't trust any event where punching someone isn't an option.
Why don't you move out about 30 km. and stand still for me?
Dear CCP, please update the Hurricane hull with a visable Drone bay.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13016
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Posted - 2015.05.30 01:59:52 -
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http://black-desert.com/
Open, open, open....
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2015.05.30 03:33:50 -
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Black Desert character selection
lol. But to be fair, I don't find Black Desert's general aesthetic to be as repulsive as Blizzard games.
I think I'll enter Blizzard's new art contest thingamajig they have going on through deviant art at the moment. Should be an interesting challenge, trying to pain in a style and sensibility that makes me throw up in my mouth. |
Iam The Flash
The Retired Officers Club Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.05.30 16:03:38 -
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Oh shut the hell up
I have played wow since before the MMO and will continue to play it no matter what.
You're just another jerk attempting to compare a space mmo to a fantasy mmo, you're a fool.
You keep these stupid posts about Blizzard & WoW like it matters, like you matter, feck you.
We don't even have over 750k subs, they have Millions, u know why? Because unlike CCP, they arn't stupid and don't let a tiny majoirty of players (i.e null sec nob heads) control the game.
I will never quit wow, i have level 100's of all classes. It's a bloody great game and the majoirty of "haters" just dislike WoW for one reason and one reason only.
You cannot destroy what others build and you cannot control the AH or control the PVP sway, because you're controlling people, horrible excuses for humans simply because you feel you have a right to ruin some ones day and collect "tears".
Grow up, seriously, grow up |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.30 16:36:34 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:Oh shut the hell up
I have played wow since before the MMO and will continue to play it no matter what.
You're just another jerk attempting to compare a space mmo to a fantasy mmo, you're a fool.
You keep these stupid posts about Blizzard & WoW like it matters, like you matter, feck you.
We don't even have over 750k subs, they have Millions, u know why? Because unlike CCP, they arn't stupid and don't let a tiny majoirty of players (i.e null sec nob heads) control the game.
I will never quit wow, i have level 100's of all classes. It's a bloody great game and the majoirty of "haters" just dislike WoW for one reason and one reason only.
You cannot destroy what others build and you cannot control the AH or control the PVP sway, because you're controlling people, horrible excuses for humans simply because you feel you have a right to ruin some ones day and collect "tears".
Grow up, seriously, grow up
This isn't sarcasm is it?
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Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
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Posted - 2015.05.30 17:21:09 -
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They'll be fine, they have a S.E.L.F.I.E.-Camera...
Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)
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Iam The Flash
The Retired Officers Club Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.05.30 19:02:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:Iam The Flash wrote:Oh shut the hell up
I have played wow since before the MMO and will continue to play it no matter what.
You're just another jerk attempting to compare a space mmo to a fantasy mmo, you're a fool.
You keep these stupid posts about Blizzard & WoW like it matters, like you matter, feck you.
We don't even have over 750k subs, they have Millions, u know why? Because unlike CCP, they arn't stupid and don't let a tiny majoirty of players (i.e null sec nob heads) control the game.
I will never quit wow, i have level 100's of all classes. It's a bloody great game and the majoirty of "haters" just dislike WoW for one reason and one reason only.
You cannot destroy what others build and you cannot control the AH or control the PVP sway, because you're controlling people, horrible excuses for humans simply because you feel you have a right to ruin some ones day and collect "tears".
Grow up, seriously, grow up This isn't sarcasm is it?
You can be a jerk all u like, it makes no diff, no one can compare wow to eve, not even in the slightest, CCP is no where ANYWHERE near the league of business and gaming that blizzard is.
So these "hate wow threads" are just pathetic, end of story, period |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
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Posted - 2015.05.30 20:05:31 -
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16003
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Posted - 2015.05.30 20:35:45 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:
You can be a jerk all u like, it makes no diff, no one can compare wow to eve, not even in the slightest, CCP is no where ANYWHERE near the league of business and gaming that blizzard is.
So these "hate wow threads" are just pathetic, end of story, period
WoW is the india of the MMO world. Lots of people but not much quality.
WoW is imploding, we don't say this out of spite but just as a fact and when you bleed a few million in so little time there is something very wrong with the game. They have made all the same mistakes as SWG made.
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Iam The Flash
The Retired Officers Club Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.05.30 20:40:07 -
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baltec1 wrote:Iam The Flash wrote:
You can be a jerk all u like, it makes no diff, no one can compare wow to eve, not even in the slightest, CCP is no where ANYWHERE near the league of business and gaming that blizzard is.
So these "hate wow threads" are just pathetic, end of story, period
WoW is the india of the MMO world. Lots of people but not much quality. WoW is imploding, we don't say this out of spite but just as a fact and when you bleed a few million in so little time there is something very wrong with the game. They have made all the same mistakes as SWG made.
Bs mate, pure bs, the game has players in the MILLIONS, so loose a few mil in subs, who cares, its standard for them, next expansion or raid update, they all come back, it happens non stop, i should know.
It's not imploding and bitter eve players have been saying "wow is dieing" for years and o look, here it is, still going strong |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.30 22:20:41 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:
Bs mate, pure bs, the game has players in the MILLIONS, so loose a few mil in subs, who cares, its standard for them, next expansion or raid update, they all come back, it happens non stop, i should know.
It's not imploding and bitter eve players have been saying "wow is dieing" for years and o look, here it is, still going strong
It has been dying for years, just not this fast. Nobody can lose a few million subs and shrug it off as nothing, thats -ú26 million less in revenue in the span of just three months and its the single biggest drop in its history. The game has lost a little over 5 million subscribers in the last 3 years in a downward trend that is accelerating.
This isn't a standard up and down trend and they are not coming back.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.05.30 23:17:52 -
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It looks to me like they're trying to put a lot of horses back in the barn.
They're finally getting serious about botting, which will **** a lot of people off just because WoW has largely become a grind. A lot of WoW's mechanical choices make botting a highly attractive option.
Botting, flying and power-leveling all reduce immersion, and therefor retention. People who treat the vast bulk of your content as an obstacle to get past don't care about your game that much anymore.
I understand the flying nerf. Slaving over a whole bunch of new content so that you can watch some chucklehead fly over it all the next day and land right on the payoff has to be frustrating, not to mention that you don't run into players. Now, someone pointed out some changes Blizzard could have made to bring flying into what is essentially 2D gameplay, and that raises the point that Blizzard has decided not to overhaul the engine that way. That's effectively an acknowledgement that the game is at the maintenance stage. tt might have years more left in it, but there will be no major engine updates and probably no overhauls of the oldest assets in the game, either.
The new characters are well done in the WoW style, but I've seen a lot of grousing about how it's difficult to identify with a completely different character, often with a completely different facial expression. That's yet another loss of investment in the game.
And, of course, the ur-problem underlying botting, flying and power-leveling is that the content is trivial, predictable and not especially rewarding, though the lore can be toothsome if you stop to pay attention to it.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2467
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Posted - 2015.05.31 06:40:23 -
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Lucy Lopez wrote:So not only did the game become more boring, but because they decided not to enable flying in the new expansion areas the very process of navigating the gameworld to get your chores done became so annoying that people don't even bother to leave their instanced garrison. The ground navigation is easier than ever, players just spend so little time in an area that their travel time as a fraction of total time is at an all-time high. If Blizzard would stop handing everything out and actually require players to spend some time to get the things they want, it would feel a lot more rewarding, and you could spend a much smaller fraction of your time in transit.
But yes, WoW developers should absolutely be fired.
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Iam The Flash
The Retired Officers Club Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.05.31 07:28:18 -
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yes because we do all have time to sit on our arses 7 days a week 24 hours a daying lvling chars on wow right? right? right?
Why don't you try banding together to fix our game instead of moaning about another ue people don't even play
oh wait
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.06.02 01:01:35 -
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No kidding. It doesn't take Rocket Science V to realize Blizzard just unleashed an army of 3 million zombies to eat up the last of the non-wow-clone-holdouts with chants of "give us WoW features here naow". Chances are it's Blizzards master plan to destroy all competing remaining mmo's once and for all after they unleash their next true Blizzard fanboi WoW expansion leaving the industry in complete shambles and no where to turn but to them. This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end [insert explosions here] |
Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
148
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Posted - 2015.06.03 06:34:17 -
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Totally unashamed ex WoW player. It was really awesome many years ago. Ground breaking even. It stopped being that after Wrath of the Lich King. |
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.06.03 09:24:17 -
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Played for 4 entire months Leveled a uh er pfff derp dark daek? er (looks it up) night elf mohawk hunter somethingsomething. Far from my first mmo, was underwhelming. The community purely reminded me of the hoards of Diablo players I fled from to the launch of UO. There was just 0 challenge there for me. After years of EQ1 pre-PoP crazy hard content, WoW was more like being on a marry-go-round with laughing clowns riding the horses up and down, up and down, with rainbow glitter puffs trailing behind each and every one of them. I honestly fell to sleep once while playing WoW, in the MIDDLE OF THE DAY!! Well I don't like clowns and I still have night sweats from the whole experience Well, no I really don't but it did take a lot of bourbon to straighten me out once I uninstalled WoW. |
Iam The Flash
The Retired Officers Club Something Fishy.
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Posted - 2015.06.03 15:34:14 -
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yeh another idiot who just see's wow as a relentless grind
dumb as **** |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.06.03 16:07:37 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:yeh another idiot who just see's wow as a relentless grind
dumb as ****
You can go to blogs run by WoW players and see much of the same. In fact, most of the observations in my previous post were gleaned from blogs by veteran WoW players reacting to the no-more-flying decision, which I was interested in as a variant of EVE's jump drive nerf.
The simple fact is that it's OK if WoW is starting to fade. Nobody can possibly dispute that it had a good, long run at the very top of the genre, crushing even the most hyped and well-heeled competitors. Nobody can dispute that what they've been able to do with an aging engine is impressive. They will probably take the lessons learned from WoW and would-be successors like Wildstar and take another crack at designing the next hotness. The measures they're taking now seem to be aimed at catering to people who actually want to enjoy the content they've designed, which is understandable. If they're shedding relatively low-investment players who want to skip over or automate as much of their content as possible in the mean time, that's an acceptable, if painful, loss.
The big takeaway for me, courtesy of The Nosy Gamer, is that there are game design changes that uninvested and impatient players will clamor for which reduce players' overall investment in the game itself, which in the long term is bad for the game. EVE is insulated from that somewhat by the fact that there never was that much to the game itself. WoW is not.
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Tee Kay Solus
Poseidon Industries And Trading
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Posted - 2015.06.03 18:23:42 -
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I like how everyone here acts maturely and politely, with the exception of one gentleman who unfortunately represents your typical WoW gamer.
On the subject... As was already pointed out, the game used to be somewhat entertaining as long as there was some complexity to it. By the looks of it Blizzard smelled out the potential for the company coming from increased number of subscriptions so they dumbed it down to the level where your you can literally faceroll through your keyboard and still achieve desirable results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISsOjfHgtws
Can't blame them. They're a company after all and what matters are profits.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.06.03 19:12:35 -
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Iam The Flash wrote:yeh another idiot who just see's wow as a relentless grind
dumb as **** You mean this? "And some "World of Warcraft" players say they say theyGÇÖve run out of challenges. The game requires too many tedious tasks. Plus, the gamers themselves are aging too, and moving on."
He was interviewing a 14yo after all... lol. Where does a 14yo go after spending 10 years addicted to WoW? Retirement home?
The kid was just a sparkle in his dads eye when Blizzard had a huge army of players all into Diablo and Warcraft, many of which flocked to the WoW beta and got the whole popularity craze going in mmo's (or that mmo), causing a snowball effect with WoW. It's popular, so it must be good, right? So even more people start playing it, convinced it's good before they even start playing. And frankly, WoW is a hybrid mmo, things like instanced raiding is purely multi-player gaming such as from Diablo where many of those WoW players came from. So it's not even mmo mechanics that keep many of them around the game.
But "grind", that's totally a casual gamers response. One that really doesn't like any mmo, but plays due to that snowball effect, just expecting it to be the game for them due to it's popularity. What have I seen since WoW came around, armies of dedicated WoW players bored to tears swarming all the existing mmo's demanding WoW style gaming in those games, usually non-mmo type systems. The same type of stuff that in their own game made them bored to tears in the first place, at least until the next playable expansion. meh progression themepark hybrid mmo's.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.04 02:08:19 -
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baltec1 wrote:This is where pandering to the instant gratification pve crowd gets you. I have seen "This is where pandering to the instant gratification PVP crowd gets you. "
So, let us stick to, "pleasing immediate self gratification centered people"
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Daphne Organa Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:29:58 -
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i tried playing WOW a few years ago. I did not like at all so i gave it up within a few days Eve is better |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.06.15 23:25:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:This is where pandering to the instant gratification pve crowd gets you. I'm not sure I understand the statement.
Do you mean:
-An 11 year run of the most successful MMO ever created? -A game that has made enough money to not only buy CCP, but probably the country in which it resides? -A game that gains and loses more players in a week than a 'pure PVP' game we know has done in it's lifetime? -Being the benchmark against which all other games are compared?
Hmm...
Seems to me that pandering to the instant gratification PVE crowd ain't so bad.
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Erika Mizune
The Soul Society DeepSpace.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:03:09 -
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It doesn't surprise me to be honest. I played WoW for a good 9-10 years and all they keep doing is dumbing down the game completely. I mean you can even purchase a level 90 toon right off the bat if you have the money to throw at blizzard!
I could go on, but it really doesn't surprise me that WoW sub's are declining.
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Tybur Kan
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.16 13:45:12 -
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I disagree green with some of the reasoing. I played for a few years and the reason I quit and most people I knee from the game quit was time constraint and the casual vs hardcore was a minor side issue to only a few of them. What got me to try eve and what I think really sets it apart is that it's got a steady skill progress not encouraging the constant grind to keep up and the conent can largely be enjoyed without big time slots unless you cooperate with a large number of people and their schedules. It's easy in eve to say ok I'll be back in a month and catch up on what I missed. In wow this at the wrong time. An put you out of a wide range of content and cause you to need to do a feverish grinding session.
I think as the mmo fan base ages they will come over to eve more. The approach is unique and can be scary, but it solves more problems than it causes, at least that is how it works for me. |
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